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[DRaGZ]

Nightlilly89, on 11 January 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Just eat a healthy diet, and you'll heal well. I wouldn't worry too much about supplements.. but if you do take vitamin C internally I would choose a whole food source such as Acerola Cherry powder or something like that. Quackwatch and those other sites are completely biased. Modern medicine does not have all the answers, and in my experience screwed up my system so much more that it took longer to heal myself naturally. A holistic approach is the only thing that cleared my skin and got me back to health. I didn't believe acupuncture and things like that, but when you have no where else to turn... and it ends up working it is an eye opener. That being said scars are very difficult and I do not think topicals and vitamins will make much of a difference. Just work on building up your immune system so that you don't break out and create more scarring, and so that when you do procedures you heal much more efficiently.

Topicals will probably not do much unless taken in conjunction with other treatments, this is true.

Also, it's important to note that each body is idiosyncratic and responds differently to different things. What worked for one person may or may not work for another.

[Prettywords]

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

I think the important thing to note that the efficacy on Vitamin C on building up collagen appears to only apply, at least in any measurable amounts, when applied topically, not when ingested.

This seems to be supported by the fact that the body can internally absorb only so much Vitamin C at a time.

Source?

I just posted a few studies that say otherwise. Where are you getting your info? I mean, if we're going here, and we are because you guys forced the issue, you need to back up your statements too. Don't follow Dudley's lead and post an article on cardiac studies with Vit. C supplementation either, stick to the skin please.

Edited by Prettywords, 11 January 2012 - 04:35 PM.

[DRaGZ]

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Edited by DRaGZ, 11 January 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[Pord]

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

With that last part being said I read that the optimal amount of Vitamin C in the body is something like 500mg every four hours.

Prettywords, on 11 January 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 11 January 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

Prettywords, on 10 January 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 10 January 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

I believe topical application of Vitamin C may have benefits for the skin and I do believe I said that. Obviously you choose to determine what I say in spite of what I say. My position is quite simple, I am against alternative medicine being pushed as the truth.

http://www.quackwatc...tioxidants.html

And what does your stance have to do with this thread? I don't understand because no one mentioned anything alternative besides the Vit. C. Did you just randomly post that right after we discussed Vit. C? Because it seriously looks like you're backtracking here.

I read that link you posted and it has nothing to do with studies on Skin healing/collagen. It's all about heart health etc.

Mine are studies on skin health.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make in this thread at all.

Obviously you cannot grasp my intent, and you really did nothing but support my posting on topical Vitamin C. I told you of my contempt for alternative medicine, but you refuse to listen to what I say. Perhaps I should take your quote "When I take Vitamin C, my skin heals better and my scars look better. I can't take it now because my stomach is bad from my antiandrogen, but it was awesome when I was able to take it" as scientific proof of internal Vitamin C being helpful in treating scars. This is pure anecdotal evidence, and it is worthless. I am trying to be nice here, but you refuse to drop the nonsense.

You refused to say why you posted that in this thread and insisted it was just a random anti-alt. medicine post, even though it was right after Vit. C posts. Really, Dudley, I'm not dumb and I don't like it when someone tries to lie to me. You refused to admit it was the Vit. C (internally) until now which was rude and insulting to me and everyone else here when it was obvious it was for the Vit. C.

RE: the bolded part: Perhaps I should do the same for your claim about Fraxel? You get it every year, so who's to say it isn't just sustained microsweliing?


PORD


I do, but now I have to go look it up and find it which is annoying. People need to learn to do their own research. :/

Here's one:



Nutritional support for wound healing.

MacKay D, Miller AL.

Source

Thorne Research, Inc., PO Box 25, Dover, ID 83825, USA. duffy@thorne.com

Abstract

Healing of wounds, whether from accidental injury or surgical intervention, involves the activity of an intricate network of blood cells, tissue types, cytokines, and growth factors. This results in increased cellular activity, which causes an intensified metabolic demand for nutrients. Nutritional deficiencies can impede wound healing, and several nutritional factors required for wound repair may improve healing time and wound outcome. Vitamin A is required for epithelial and bone formation, cellular differentiation, and immune function. Vitamin C is necessary for collagen formation, proper immune function, and as a tissue antioxidant. Vitamin E is the major lipid-soluble antioxidant in the skin; however, the effect of vitamin E on surgical wounds is inconclusive. Bromelain reduces edema, bruising, pain, and healing time following trauma and surgical procedures. Glucosamine appears to be the rate-limiting substrate for hyaluronic acid production in the wound. Adequate dietary protein is absolutely essential for proper wound healing, and tissue levels of the amino acids arginine and glutamine may influence wound repair and immune function. The botanical medicines Centella asiatica and Aloe vera have been used for decades, both topically and internally, to enhance wound repair, and scientific studies are now beginning to validate efficacy and explore mechanisms of action for these botanicals. To promote wound healing in the shortest time possible, with minimal pain, discomfort, and scarring to the patient, it is important to explore nutritional and botanical influences on wound outcome.

PMID: 14653765 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free full text

And Another....



L-ascorbic acid 2-phosphate stimulates collagen accumulation, cell proliferation, and formation of a three-dimensional tissuelike substance by skin fibroblasts.

Hata R, Senoo H.

Source

Department of Tissue Physiology, Tokyo Medical and Dental University, Japan.

Abstract

Proliferation of human skin fibroblasts was stimulated significantly by the presence of L-ascorbic acid 2-phosphate (Asc 2-P). The presence of Asc 2-P (0.1-1.0 mM) in the culture medium for 3 weeks enhanced the relative rate of collagen synthesis to total protein synthesis 2-fold as well as cell growth 4-fold. Coexistence of L-azetidine 2-carboxylic acid (AzC), an inhibitor of collagen synthesis, attenuated both effects of Asc 2-P in a dose-dependent manner. Supplementation of the medium with Asc 2-P also accelerated procollagen processing to collagen and deposition of collagen in the cell layer. Among the acidic glycosaminoglycans (GAG), another major component of extracellular matrix (ECM), deposition of sulfated forms was increased by the additive. Electron microscopic observations showed multilayered, rough endoplasmic reticulum-rich cells surrounded by dense ECM. These results indicate that Asc 2-P is useful in culture systems as a long-acting vitamin C derivative and also that it promotes reorganization of a three-dimensional tissuelike substance from skin fibroblasts in culture by stimulating collagen accumulation in the fibroblasts.

PMID: 2910890 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

And I'm done linking articles now.

That is why I said besides Prettywords. Thank you for your help. I have done a fair share of research. I just think it is always a good idea to ask people who know much more than I do. That is why I ask.

[Prettywords]

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.


Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

[DRaGZ]

Prettywords, on 12 January 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.


Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

Do you actually read anything anyone says instead of just shooting back with a gut reaction?

No one said it can't create collagen. We are disputing the efficacy of vitamin C in creating collagen for the skin when ingested, and we are advocating the efficacy of vitamic C when applied topically. Collagen exists throughout the entire body, not just in the skin. A collagen deficiency to the severity of being diagnosed with scurvy has more serious implications than just bad skin because your muscles and bones are literally dissolving and falling apart. As a result, it's much too broad an assertion to claim the effects of scurvy as evidence that ingestion of vitamic C builds up collagen in the skin. Because that is what we are talking about, correct? Building up collagen in the skin to help fill in scars?

Moreover, the ingestion of vitamin C has it so the body distributes it evenly throughout the body to a multitude of system instead of just to the place where you want it, which, in this case, is the skin. It's not an efficient system, and it doesn't even build up over time because the body can only absorb so much vitamin C at once.

I used to perform research for pharmacokinetics/dynamics, I know how this stuff works, not to mention this is all stuff you could've read about with a simple Wikipedia search.

Edited by DRaGZ, 12 January 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[Pord]

Current plan:

Morning: Wash face using a Cetaphil gentle cleansing bar. Moisturize with Cetaphil moisturizer or Eucerin SPF 30 for sensitive skin if I am going to be outside a bunch.

Night: Wash face with Cetaphil gentle cleaning bar. Wait 30 minutes or so. Apply Retin-A micro gel 0.1% (I am still debating whether this should be done every other night or every night). Wait another 30 minutes or so. Apply emu oil mixed with Cetaphil moisturizer.

I would like to maybe add some vitamin c serum, but it is hard to find (at least where I am at). Any suggestions?

I was using Mederma, but I decided I will probably cut it out. I don’t see it doing that much, it does not help with scars, and it can’t be all that good of an idea to touch your skin so much.

I take a multi vitamin and I think I will go out and get some vitamin C. I will probably take 2000mgs or so (500mg every four hours). I am also drinking lemon juice (I have no idea if this will help, but I have nothing to lose with this).

It is hard to be so passive. I want to be as proactive as possible, but if waiting is my best bet than that is what I will have to do.

Since I can’t do a whole lot for the next little while this is all that I have come up with.

Am I missing something?

[DRaGZ]

Pord, on 13 January 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

Current plan:

Morning: Wash face using a Cetaphil gentle cleansing bar. Moisturize with Cetaphil moisturizer or Eucerin SPF 30 for sensitive skin if I am going to be outside a bunch.

Night: Wash face with Cetaphil gentle cleaning bar. Wait 30 minutes or so. Apply Retin-A micro gel 0.1% (I am still debating whether this should be done every other night or every night). Wait another 30 minutes or so. Apply emu oil mixed with Cetaphil moisturizer.

I would like to maybe add some vitamin c serum, but it is hard to find (at least where I am at). Any suggestions?

I was using Mederma, but I decided I will probably cut it out. I don’t see it doing that much, it does not help with scars, and it can’t be all that good of an idea to touch your skin so much.

I take a multi vitamin and I think I will go out and get some vitamin C. I will probably take 2000mgs or so (500mg every four hours). I am also drinking lemon juice (I have no idea if this will help, but I have nothing to lose with this).

It is hard to be so passive. I want to be as proactive as possible, but if waiting is my best bet than that is what I will have to do.

Since I can’t do a whole lot for the next little while this is all that I have come up with.

Am I missing something?

Hey Pord,

From what I have read about Mederma, and it's actually not that much so don't take my word for it, but I believe Mederma works by thinning the dermis. I think it was designed to work on hypertrophic scars, like the kind you get from surgeries or really bad cuts, but I don't think it's designed to work on indented scars like acne scars. At best, it'll probably do nothing, at worst it may make them deeper.

Try looking into a very mild glycolic cleanser. Because it's slightly acidic, you do a mild exfoliation with each wash, and, according to my dermatologist, it speeds up the production of new skin cells on the skin (i.e. it speeds up the skin cycle). The downside is that overuse can lead to red skin, especially in scarred areas where the skin is weaker than other spots, so use a mild one and use it only a max of twice a day.

In fact, I would talk to a dermatologist first before considering taking any of my advice. But the dermatologist will outright tell you that Mederma does nothing for acne scars.

[Pord]

DRaGZ, on 13 January 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Pord, on 13 January 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

Current plan:

Morning: Wash face using a Cetaphil gentle cleansing bar. Moisturize with Cetaphil moisturizer or Eucerin SPF 30 for sensitive skin if I am going to be outside a bunch.

Night: Wash face with Cetaphil gentle cleaning bar. Wait 30 minutes or so. Apply Retin-A micro gel 0.1% (I am still debating whether this should be done every other night or every night). Wait another 30 minutes or so. Apply emu oil mixed with Cetaphil moisturizer.

I would like to maybe add some vitamin c serum, but it is hard to find (at least where I am at). Any suggestions?

I was using Mederma, but I decided I will probably cut it out. I don’t see it doing that much, it does not help with scars, and it can’t be all that good of an idea to touch your skin so much.

I take a multi vitamin and I think I will go out and get some vitamin C. I will probably take 2000mgs or so (500mg every four hours). I am also drinking lemon juice (I have no idea if this will help, but I have nothing to lose with this).

It is hard to be so passive. I want to be as proactive as possible, but if waiting is my best bet than that is what I will have to do.

Since I can’t do a whole lot for the next little while this is all that I have come up with.

Am I missing something?

Hey Pord,

From what I have read about Mederma, and it's actually not that much so don't take my word for it, but I believe Mederma works by thinning the dermis. I think it was designed to work on hypertrophic scars, like the kind you get from surgeries or really bad cuts, but I don't think it's designed to work on indented scars like acne scars. At best, it'll probably do nothing, at worst it may make them deeper.

Try looking into a very mild glycolic cleanser. Because it's slightly acidic, you do a mild exfoliation with each wash, and, according to my dermatologist, it speeds up the production of new skin cells on the skin (i.e. it speeds up the skin cycle). The downside is that overuse can lead to red skin, especially in scarred areas where the skin is weaker than other spots, so use a mild one and use it only a max of twice a day.

In fact, I would talk to a dermatologist first before considering taking any of my advice. But the dermatologist will outright tell you that Mederma does nothing for acne scars.

Did you mean to say that Mederma thins the epidermis (or did you say dermis on purpose)?

[DudleyDoRight]

Unlike some people who feel the need to post entire articles I will just post a link about EMU oil. http://www.quackwatc...pics/emuoil.pdf
We had a big distributor who pushed his snake oil long enough to make a killing and then jump the country. Oh how the claims of miracle cures were flying. Take the time to read about Vitamins http://www.quackwatc...upplements.html It is too bad Dr Dean Edell has retired http://www.healthcen.../408/index.html Read everything you can get you hands on that he has written, it will cange your way of thinking.

Tune out all the nonsense and learn how to think. Unlearn all the crap you have been fed by the likes of people like Oprah Winfrey. Here is the link to old Dr Edell radio shows. This is like a gold mine to me. His show starts after the news, and if you take the time to listen you will change your entire way of thinking about medicine.
http://feeds2.feedbu...treamOrDownload (some of the shows will not be his, but it is worth looking around for)

Edited by DudleyDoRight, 22 January 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[DudleyDoRight]

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

[Prettywords]

DRaGZ, on 12 January 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Prettywords, on 12 January 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.


Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

Do you actually read anything anyone says instead of just shooting back with a gut reaction?

No one said it can't create collagen. We are disputing the efficacy of vitamin C in creating collagen for the skin when ingested, and we are advocating the efficacy of vitamic C when applied topically. Collagen exists throughout the entire body, not just in the skin. A collagen deficiency to the severity of being diagnosed with scurvy has more serious implications than just bad skin because your muscles and bones are literally dissolving and falling apart. As a result, it's much too broad an assertion to claim the effects of scurvy as evidence that ingestion of vitamic C builds up collagen in the skin. Because that is what we are talking about, correct? Building up collagen in the skin to help fill in scars?

Moreover, the ingestion of vitamin C has it so the body distributes it evenly throughout the body to a multitude of system instead of just to the place where you want it, which, in this case, is the skin. It's not an efficient system, and it doesn't even build up over time because the body can only absorb so much vitamin C at once.

I used to perform research for pharmacokinetics/dynamics, I know how this stuff works, not to mention this is all stuff you could've read about with a simple Wikipedia search.

You still haven't given good answers to other points and questions I made in previous posts.

I posted research on studies that show it can and does help collagen when ingested.

I know how the body works but thanks for the explanation.

I do NOT use wikipedia for research on medical topics.

You still haven't proven ingesting Vitamin C doesn't help collagen and I posted studies that showed it does. Anyone can talk about their opinion. I backed mine up.

[DRaGZ]

Prettywords, on 22 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 12 January 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Prettywords, on 12 January 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 11 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.


Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

Do you actually read anything anyone says instead of just shooting back with a gut reaction?

No one said it can't create collagen. We are disputing the efficacy of vitamin C in creating collagen for the skin when ingested, and we are advocating the efficacy of vitamic C when applied topically. Collagen exists throughout the entire body, not just in the skin. A collagen deficiency to the severity of being diagnosed with scurvy has more serious implications than just bad skin because your muscles and bones are literally dissolving and falling apart. As a result, it's much too broad an assertion to claim the effects of scurvy as evidence that ingestion of vitamic C builds up collagen in the skin. Because that is what we are talking about, correct? Building up collagen in the skin to help fill in scars?

Moreover, the ingestion of vitamin C has it so the body distributes it evenly throughout the body to a multitude of system instead of just to the place where you want it, which, in this case, is the skin. It's not an efficient system, and it doesn't even build up over time because the body can only absorb so much vitamin C at once.

I used to perform research for pharmacokinetics/dynamics, I know how this stuff works, not to mention this is all stuff you could've read about with a simple Wikipedia search.

You still haven't given good answers to other points and questions I made in previous posts.

I posted research on studies that show it can and does help collagen when ingested.

I know how the body works but thanks for the explanation.

I do NOT use wikipedia for research on medical topics.

You still haven't proven ingesting Vitamin C doesn't help collagen and I posted studies that showed it does. Anyone can talk about their opinion. I backed mine up.

None of the studies you posted even suggested that. Some of them, in fact, were specifically related to the topical application of vitamin C.

The burden of proof is on you, not me. I have given sound reasoning as to why you're wrong, all you've done is provide evidence that backs up my assertion.

[Pord]

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

[DudleyDoRight]

Pord, on 23 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A
https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

Edited by DudleyDoRight, 23 January 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[Nelo18]

I read this article before, but i just noticed the title is from Red Hot Chili Peppers

[Pord]

DudleyDoRight, on 23 January 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Pord, on 23 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A
https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

[DRaGZ]

Pord, on 24 January 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 23 January 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Pord, on 23 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A
https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

[Pord]

DRaGZ, on 24 January 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

Pord, on 24 January 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 23 January 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Pord, on 23 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A
https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

So according to that article - the tretinoin will be just as good as retinol? - This is my question.

[DRaGZ]

Pord, on 24 January 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

DRaGZ, on 24 January 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

Pord, on 24 January 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 23 January 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Pord, on 23 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

DudleyDoRight, on 22 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A
https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

So according to that article - the tretinoin will be just as good as retinol? - This is my question.

For all practical purposes, tretinoin = retinol = vitamin A.