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[girlie]

Hi Everyone:

This has been 2 years in the making! I did get some great advice from members here on the board, namely Lamarr and others.

Anyway, two years ago, was the first time I heard of dermarolling. Did tons of research in those 2 years, but was too much of a nervous nellie, until now to try it.

I think I have already gotten improvements with dermarolling after my first attempt. unless this is still swelling, which I hope not

Can you still have swelling after 4 weeks? doesnt seem to be

Anyway, I did a trial dermastamp. I purchased the dermastamp rather than roller. I figure from everything i have read, it is safer, and less chance of tearing the skin, as its stamping motion, rather than rolling; feel i have more control over a dermastamp.

So a month ago,I stamped just my temples. Wanted to see how my facial skin reacted, as I do have sensitive skin

I have decided against using any numbing cream. the dermastamp i used is 0.75mm

It stung; kind of like a grazed burning sensation. but thats okay, as for me, its temporary pain. There was some redness, and i immediately applied my professional terproline cream, that lamarr recommends on another board.

I have seen an improvement on one of my temples already. It is much shallower the scarring there, the other temple, not as much improvemnt, but just a small improvement.

I have a question tho....

do u think different areas of the face react differently? such as do you think the cheeks would react/heal different to the temples, or forehead|??? Would cheeks be more sensitive than temples???

I am pretty impressed with my first attempt

i did up my vitamin c intake a few weeks before attempting dermastamp tho.

I definitely think taking supplements beforehand to help skin heal itself, is crucial to great results.

[hope2011]

That sounds very interesting - i'm curious to hear about the rest of your journey. please do keep posting. this is something i'm considering and been reading up for a while - and like you am scared to give it a shot. my other option is to go for some sort of laser treatment but the side effects/long term effects i hear abou those are really freaking me out. this seems a lot safer.

where did you order your dermastamp from and does it come with the numbing cream and other creams that you're using before and after? I would love it if you could share your regime with me so i have a sense of how this works. Still in the stages of collecting information and researching my options.

A dermatologist recommended to use a home roller twice weekly and to get one that is 0.5mm in depth as the deeper ones can cause bleeding and shouldn't be used at home. What are your thoughts?

[girlie]

hi there

I have decided against using numbing cream.

I have also been watching a guy dermaroll on youtube, his name is raysdermaroller.somehow watching it seems to ahve desensitised my nervousness, not the pain of course though. but the pains not that bad.

I also read that the skin reacts better without numbing cream, so i want to have as many pluses as possible towards the healing,a nd am willing to forego the numbing cream

as far as needle length i wont go deepoer than an 1mm. unless i was getting absolutley no results.

the 0.75mm is working so far. but that was just on my temples. plus i am only doing this \once a month to be on the safe side. i feel more comfrotable with that.

good luck

there r tons of great articlkes out there. do some research and be well prepared.

[girlie]

let me know how you go. this is sooo exciting. i can see my skin healing up completley and being smooth and healthy looking again.

Out of efverything i researched, dermarolling has the best odds, with the least amount of risks that is what i have bene lookihng for.

[hope2011]

Yes, thats why i'm looking into it. Too afraid to try lasers or resurfacing. Still trying to figure out which dermaroller/stamp to buy and from where. PM me if you have a link or website you suggest. Thanks

[healing2.0]

From what I have read the length you are using does not penetrate deep enough to do anything other than help you absorb your topical better unless you are only using it where the skin is thin at...like the temples compared to thicker areas of the face. You could probably use that .75 stamp once a week safely if not more. I use a 2.0mm dermastamp every 6 weeks and a 0.5mm stamp every other day. I use to use a 2.0mm dermaroller and the pain with it compared to a stamp is like comparing pulling a single hair out of your head to having some1 taking a pair of pliers...grabbing as much hair as they can with it and ripping every bit of it out....over and over. I also use the temproline professional, red/infrared leds and 20% l-ascorbic acid. I have only been doing this since the end of april though. I plan to stick with it 2 years before shooting for fraxel.

[Prettywords]

I'm wondering if the length should be less for older people since their skin has less collagen and their dermis is thinner.....

Girlie,

How do you use the stamp exactly? I've read a ton about the roller but not the stamp.

healing,

Which are you saying is more painful?

[Reeja]

healing2.0, on 24 September 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

From what I have read the length you are using does not penetrate deep enough to do anything other than help you absorb your topical better unless you are only using it where the skin is thin at...like the temples compared to thicker areas of the face. You could probably use that .75 stamp once a week safely if not more.

Where did you read that? I actually read that 0.5 mm and above can induce collagen. I believe there have been studies that concluded that 0.5 mm was sufficient to induce collagen, but I'll have to check.

[Remicade]

In one study they found new collagen and elastin fiber at about 0.5-0.6 mm from the surface but the study was done with 1.5 mm dermaroller. If your scars are deep 0.5 mm doesn't reach the bottom of the scar. When you roll don't forget to stretch the skin with the other hand.

[Prettywords]

I think that length can help. I don't think anyone should go over 1.5 because it will penetrate the dermis, which can cause more scarring. Some people have thinner (or thicker) skin, so a shorter length would be better for them. Personally, I'd work my way up.JMO.

[Remicade]

The question is: what is bad ? dermarolling with 1.5 mm and press very hard or 2.0 mm and press gently....

[Prettywords]

Personally, I think it's bad to press hard with any length. I think 2.0 is too long for pretty much anyone since it goes into the dermis and can cause infection and more scarring. If you bleed at all with your roller you should use a new one each time. And people whose skin is thinner, like older people, probably have their dermis even closer to the epidermis since it thins out over the years. If you exfoliate or use retin-a, your dermis is likely closer because you're shedding your epidermis quicker than if you don't exfoliate. If it were me, I'd work my way up to higher lengths to see how I reacted to lower ones.

Edited by Prettywords, 26 September 2011 - 12:31 PM.

[healing2.0]

Without a doubt rolling hurts worse and there is more bleeding. I dont see how you cant bleed while using it. I bleed when I use the 0.5mm stamp. When I use the 2.0mm roller blood actually drips off my face. When I use the 2.0mm stamp however it bleeds a little more than the 0.5mm stamp. When you push down you have to do it pretty firmly and stretch the skin while you do it or you could just end up pushing in on the fat on your face and not getting full penetration

Edited by healing2.0, 29 September 2011 - 01:24 PM.

[Remicade]

In general, deeper needle penetrations into the dermis produces better collagen and elastin production. (However, it is also more risky. ) The breaking of blood vessels appears to be key in kick-starting the 12-month healing and reorganizing phase. Anecdotal evidence supports this as some people have reported that treated areas that bled and scabbed led to better results than ones that didn’t. With very short needle lengths, the needle only reaches the topmost layer—there may be improvements, but no dramatic results. This is also less risky. However, even with very short needle lengths, you may find improvements as any topicals you use after needling will penetrate deeper and become more effective many times over.
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[girlie]

Hi Healing

sorry I forgot about this thread

I used it just on my temples, where the skin is very thin.

But look at my skin there now, it looks like very minimal improvement

[Remicade]

Keep stamping and evaluate the situation after 12 months . If after 12 months no improvment it means dermarolling it's not working for you.

[shenanigansSG]

girlie, on 23 October 2011 - 01:43 AM, said:

Hi Healing

sorry I forgot about this thread

I used it just on my temples, where the skin is very thin.

But look at my skin there now, it looks like very minimal improvement

Hey Girlie, thanks for sharing. Can I ask, how is your skin now, were the improvements you saw at 4 weeks maintained? Have you done any other sessions since?

[Nelo18]

healing2.0, on 24 September 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

From what I have read the length you are using does not penetrate deep enough to do anything other than help you absorb your topical better unless you are only using it where the skin is thin at...like the temples compared to thicker areas of the face. You could probably use that .75 stamp once a week safely if not more. I use a 2.0mm dermastamp every 6 weeks and a 0.5mm stamp every other day. I use to use a 2.0mm dermaroller and the pain with it compared to a stamp is like comparing pulling a single hair out of your head to having some1 taking a pair of pliers...grabbing as much hair as they can with it and ripping every bit of it out....over and over. I also use the temproline professional, red/infrared leds and 20% l-ascorbic acid. I have only been doing this since the end of april though. I plan to stick with it 2 years before shooting for fraxel.

do u use the 0.5 stamp on ur whole face or just ur eye area.

[healing2.0]

entire face