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[helpchicken]

Hey guys and gals I just had a few quick questions about controlling oily/shiny skin.

Has anyone tried the approach of just using water to cleanse your face? I've heard that after time, this is beneficial to re-hydrating the skin and reducing oil production.. and i feel thats what i need after drying my face out terribly from the DKR regimen

Also, what are the best vitamins/supplements to take? I've heard good things about Zinc, B5, and Flax seed.. I've been trying zinc for the past week but nothing so far

Also, can anyone suggest a good exfoliating mask? I've heard using an exfoliating, non-irritating mask 1-2 times a week can be beneficial to helping fight oily skin

thanks for the help, my recent development of oily skin has got me sort of down but hopefully you all can help

PS any other tips on how to combat shine would be great

Edited by helpchicken, 24 March 2011 - 12:40 PM.

[bryan]

What makes you think re-hydrating your skin will reduce oil production?

[helpchicken]

What makes you think re-hydrating your skin will reduce oil production?

not sure, thought i've heard that around here, maybe im misinformed too

[bryan]

I think that's just a popular Urban Myth. I see it mentioned occasionally here on acne.org, but I've never once seen any reference to it in professional medical publications like medical journal articles or studies.

[Oil King]

How old are you?

[roomforpossibilities]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think over production of sebum is caused by a large concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous gland. Those who are lacking or have a normal concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous glands are unlikely to be sensitive with DHT. And I doubt topical treatments can make any difference on oil-secretion.

I think DHT is influencing the androgen receptor to secrete more oil. And the repetitive interaction of these two throughout the years yields to "permanence".

I think in order for us to reduce the secretion is to wait for years of inhibiting DHT. I'm not going to include isotretinoin to reduce it since it's effect on sebaceous glands could be temporary.

I'm talking about blocking DHT to reduce it's influence on the large concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous glands. But I also believe that one year of DHT blocking could have a minimum effect on the oil-secretion. We really need to wait for a maximum of 5 years to see a reduction.


I'm suggesting zinc in conjunction with vitamin b6 to inhibit 5 alpha reductase from converting testosterone to DHT.

[roomforpossibilities]

and by the way DHT is not the only one that acts on androgen receptor; 5-DHEA too.

[helpchicken]

I am 17 Oil King. thanks for the info room, I'm a bit confused but I'll stick with taking the zinc pills i guess. Ive also heard salycillic acid helps with reducing oil production? Anyone have any experience with that?

[iAcne]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think over production of sebum is caused by a large concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous gland. Those who are lacking or have a normal concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous glands are unlikely to be sensitive with DHT. And I doubt topical treatments can make any difference on oil-secretion.

I think DHT is influencing the androgen receptor to secrete more oil. And the repetitive interaction of these two throughout the years yields to "permanence".

I think in order for us to reduce the secretion is to wait for years of inhibiting DHT. I'm not going to include isotretinoin to reduce it since it's effect on sebaceous glands could be temporary.

I'm talking about blocking DHT to reduce it's influence on the large concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous glands. But I also believe that one year of DHT blocking could have a minimum effect on the oil-secretion. We really need to wait for a maximum of 5 years to see a reduction.


I'm suggesting zinc in conjunction with vitamin b6 to inhibit 5 alpha reductase from converting testosterone to DHT.

Why 5 years?

[roomforpossibilities]

We have to take zinc with vitamin b6 for 5 years to really see a reduction. Taking these vitamins for 6 months to a year could only yield a minimum result on the oil secretion because of the ongoing interaction between androgen receptor in the sebaceous glands and DHT, DHEAS through out the years, the hyperactivity of the sebaceous glands is hard to "tame" or put it on halt.


Remember that we people who are prone to acne or who have oily skin have a huge concentration of androgen receptor in the sebaceous glands that's why we are often referred as androgen sensitive. So even a slightest DHT or DHEAS can have an impact on the already large in concentration of androgen receptor.


Take note: Repetitive Pituitary secretion of Prolactin stimulates more DHEAS.

Zinc along with vitamin b6 can inhibit 5 alpha reductase, an enzyme which is necessary for the conversion of testosterone to DHT.




I think the virtue that we have to exercise is PATIENCE.
As a saying goes; The Best Things in Life are Worth Waiting For. And yes, having a less oily skin is one of the best.

[bryan]

We have to take zinc with vitamin b6 for 5 years to really see a reduction. Taking these vitamins for 6 months to a year could only yield a minimum result on the oil secretion because of the ongoing interaction between androgen receptor in the sebaceous glands and DHT, DHEAS through out the years, the hyperactivity of the sebaceous glands is hard to "tame" or put it on halt.

I still don't understand why you think it would take as long as 5 years to see significant results. Saying that using these androgen inhibitors for only 6 months to a year would have only a "minimum result" because of the "ongoing interaction" between androgen receptor and androgens is awfully vague!

For your information, such experiments with topical antiandrogens and 5a-reductase inhibitors in humans, conducted by professional doctors and scientists, have generally taken on the order of maybe two or three months, and have shown decent results with some of these substances (examples would be 17alpha-propylmesterolone and gamma-linolenic acid).

[biggs881]

Even if 5 years use produced significant results, that sort of time frame is clinically impractical.

Edited by jimmy188, 28 March 2011 - 06:34 AM.

[Acnesucks33]

So for the people who have oily skin and acne, there sensitive to androgen hormones,and the lucky people who don't get acne aren't sensitive to this hormone? Is this right?? So then to have acne it's like winning the lottery but in the opposite way lol

[helpchicken]

Room, what dosage of both vitamins would you have to take if i wanted to try this out?

[biggs881]

So for the people who have oily skin and acne, there sensitive to androgen hormones,and the lucky people who don't get acne aren't sensitive to this hormone? Is this right?? So then to have acne it's like winning the lottery but in the opposite way lol

Sort of.

Except there's not just one "winner".

[Acnesucks33]

Lol true than millions of people are sensitive to this hormone... Damn androgens.

[Acne Security]

try clean and clear oil absorbing sheets, for the shine - but be careful they can become like addictive like crack

[mastershadow]

Brown paper tissues - effective and cheap.