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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:18 PM

See, I always have this nagging feeling that there's some reason why I shouldn't have too much cocoa and chocolate, but can't remember. And i posted one here. It's insulinemic. and is high in the bromine that displaces iodine. I hope the kelp I've been adding to my bone broths is countering that adequately.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:00 AM

"The presence of theobromine renders chocolate toxic to some animals,[2] especially dogs and cats."

Autism. Thyroid disease. Acne. Certain new gastrointestinal & digestive disorders that didn't exist at significant amounts just a few decades ago. Skyrocketing statistics of breast cancer. Like this gluten insensitivity thing. There was a recent study done using old samples of blood and found people did not have that problem in the USA just a few decades ago beyond the certain low percentage that have severe reactions to it due to a genetic disorder. Bromine has no use in the human body at all and yet is now the cheap alternative to iodine, particularly in food processing and additives. It's naturally in cocoa, but it's in most commercial bread and many other carb products now, some soft drinks, orange Gatorade, on and on. Maybe we're offsetting the iodine displacement in the west somewhat, but the bromine seems to cause adverse effects directly, as well. Hmmm....


I'm curious what your thinking..as to say we should supplement with iodine? I've read everywhere how people with acne should avoid iodine little bit confused

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 07:37 AM

See, I always have this nagging feeling that there's some reason why I shouldn't have too much cocoa and chocolate, but can't remember. And i posted about it here. It's insulinemic. and is high in the bromine that displaces iodine. I hope the kelp I've been adding to my bone broths is countering that adequately.


I'm curious what your thinking..as to say we should supplement with iodine? I've read everywhere how people with acne should avoid iodine little bit confused


Iodine is not the only method to detox heavy metals from the body. Other sources include:

Zeolite
Bentonite Clay
Chlorella
Cilantro
Magnesium


I find it rather profound that many of these substances also dramatically improve acne for many people on these boards...

I believe heavy metal toxicity (through fluoride, bromine, etc) is a hugely overlooked cause of modern acne.

I will be testing this theory soon. I may start a new thread at that time.

Edited by tritonxiv, 17 June 2012 - 07:52 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:18 AM


See, I always have this nagging feeling that there's some reason why I shouldn't have too much cocoa and chocolate, but can't remember. And i posted about it here. It's insulinemic. and is high in the bromine that displaces iodine. I hope the kelp I've been adding to my bone broths is countering that adequately.


I'm curious what your thinking..as to say we should supplement with iodine? I've read everywhere how people with acne should avoid iodine little bit confused


Iodine is not the only method to detox heavy metals from the body. Other sources include:

Zeolite
Bentonite Clay
Chlorella
Cilantro
Magnesium


I find it rather profound that many of these substances also dramatically improve acne for many people on these boards...

I believe heavy metal toxicity (through fluoride, bromine, etc) is a hugely overlooked cause of modern acne.

I will be testing this theory soon. I may start a new thread at that time.


I was more concerned about the function of my thyroid, not that I was concerned. Just that I knew there were reasons to not consume too much cacao.

And there have been many threads on mercury toxicity and acne and some on bromides.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:40 AM

I was more concerned about the function of my thyroid, not that I was concerned. Just that I knew there were reasons to not consume too much cacao.

And there have been many threads on mercury toxicity and acne and some on bromides.


Yes. In my experiment I am going to specifically target two halogens (Bromine and Fluorine) and attempt to remove them from my system through various methods of detoxification. In addition I will limit (as much as realistically possible) the intake of these chemicals, mainly by only consuming distilled water, avoiding fluorinated and brominated products (Dasiani water has both), and limiting foods/medicines that are known to contain significant amounts of these elements.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:12 AM


I was more concerned about the function of my thyroid, not that I was concerned. Just that I knew there were reasons to not consume too much cacao.

And there have been many threads on mercury toxicity and acne and some on bromides.


Yes. In my experiment I am going to specifically target two halogens (Bromine and Fluorine) and attempt to remove them from my system through various methods of detoxification. In addition I will limit (as much as realistically possible) the intake of these chemicals, mainly by only consuming distilled water, avoiding fluorinated and brominated products (Dasiani water has both), and limiting foods/medicines that are known to contain significant amounts of these elements.


Yeah, there was a thread on that recently. I can't remember by whom, dejaclairvoyant was a major contributor, but not the OP. in the nutrition forum, of course.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 11:25 AM

I was incorrect about theobromine including a halogen. According to the newest additions to Wikipedia, "bromine" in the name comes from a plant, not the halogen. While it doesn't explain why dark chocolate might be contributing to acne, it explains why fluoridated toothpaste and canned air might be contributing to it. For instance, computer nerds, canned air, and acne are a very strong correlation. And there is no question that halogens displace iodine in the body and disrupt delicate hormone balances. Halogen-induced acnes are a known medical condition. That more mild exposure to halogens could generally make normal acne worse is not a strange assumption. Supplementing with iodine definintely should not be at nuclear emergency doses, though. That's only for short-term use and is not without side-effects.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 12:42 PM

I was incorrect about theobromine including a halogen. According to the newest additions to Wikipedia, "bromine" in the name comes from a plant, not the halogen. While it doesn't explain why dark chocolate might be contributing to acne, it explains why fluoridated toothpaste and canned air might be contributing to it. For instance, computer nerds, canned air, and acne are a very strong correlation. And there is no question that halogens displace iodine in the body and disrupt delicate hormone balances. Halogen-induced acnes are a known medical condition. That more mild exposure to halogens could generally make normal acne worse is not a strange assumption. Supplementing with iodine definintely should not be at nuclear emergency doses, though. That's only for short-term use and is not without side-effects.


Great points. I don't understand why so many people refuse to make the connection between the forced halogenation of our water supply and the variety of health problems created by those compounds. (sluggishness, reduced hormone output, unnatural circadian rhythms, acne, skin disorders, thyroid disease, hyperhydrosis, etc.)

I realize that many health conscious people are aware these problems exist, but I don't see many taking measures to protect themselves.

There is a school thought backed up with anecdotal evidence that claims the side effects of Iodine supplementation are temporary. After years of halogen accumulation, the body must go through a purging process which lasts approximately two weeks and can include an initial breakout of acne and a feeling of sickness.

After this period, the body begins to dramatically take turn for the better, with all of the aforementioned symptoms of halogen accumulation simply vanishing.

Take from that what you will, but it is compelling enough for me to attempt it.

Edited by tritonxiv, 17 June 2012 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:32 PM


See, I always have this nagging feeling that there's some reason why I shouldn't have too much cocoa and chocolate, but can't remember. And i posted about it here. It's insulinemic. and is high in the bromine that displaces iodine. I hope the kelp I've been adding to my bone broths is countering that adequately.


I'm curious what your thinking..as to say we should supplement with iodine? I've read everywhere how people with acne should avoid iodine little bit confused


Iodine is not the only method to detox heavy metals from the body. Other sources include:

Zeolite
Bentonite Clay
Chlorella
Cilantro
Magnesium


I find it rather profound that many of these substances also dramatically improve acne for many people on these boards...

I believe heavy metal toxicity (through fluoride, bromine, etc) is a hugely overlooked cause of modern acne.

I will be testing this theory soon. I may start a new thread at that time.


I'm having a look into those products, I'm curious though, if they aid incredibly in detoxing the system wouldnt users have noted worse breakouts ? (due to the toxins escaping?) rather than improvment ..at least straight away?

Is there a way to tell if one is toxic of heavy metals?

I was incorrect about theobromine including a halogen. According to the newest additions to Wikipedia, "bromine" in the name comes from a plant, not the halogen. While it doesn't explain why dark chocolate might be contributing to acne, it explains why fluoridated toothpaste and canned air might be contributing to it. For instance, computer nerds, canned air, and acne are a very strong correlation. And there is no question that halogens displace iodine in the body and disrupt delicate hormone balances. Halogen-induced acnes are a known medical condition. That more mild exposure to halogens could generally make normal acne worse is not a strange assumption. Supplementing with iodine definintely should not be at nuclear emergency doses, though. That's only for short-term use and is not without side-effects.


you mentioning the supplmening of idoine should only be short term use, why is this? wouldnt halogens continue to displace iodine when stopping the supplements? also quite curious if there is a list any where of common things with Bromine in it ? I'm fairly aware of fluoride but curious of Bromine.


I was incorrect about theobromine including a halogen. According to the newest additions to Wikipedia, "bromine" in the name comes from a plant, not the halogen. While it doesn't explain why dark chocolate might be contributing to acne, it explains why fluoridated toothpaste and canned air might be contributing to it. For instance, computer nerds, canned air, and acne are a very strong correlation. And there is no question that halogens displace iodine in the body and disrupt delicate hormone balances. Halogen-induced acnes are a known medical condition. That more mild exposure to halogens could generally make normal acne worse is not a strange assumption. Supplementing with iodine definintely should not be at nuclear emergency doses, though. That's only for short-term use and is not without side-effects.


Great points. I don't understand why so many people refuse to make the connection between the forced halogenation of our water supply and the variety of health problems created by those compounds. (sluggishness, reduced hormone output, unnatural circadian rhythms, acne, skin disorders, thyroid disease, hyperhydrosis, etc.)

I realize that many health conscious people are aware these problems exist, but I don't see many taking measures to protect themselves.

There is a school thought backed up with anecdotal evidence that claims the side effects of Iodine supplementation are temporary. After years of halogen accumulation, the body must go through a purging process which lasts approximately two weeks and can include an initial breakout of acne and a feeling of sickness.

After this period, the body begins to dramatically take turn for the better, with all of the aforementioned symptoms of halogen accumulation simply vanishing.

Take from that what you will, but it is compelling enough for me to attempt it.


im curious if you've supplemented iodine before? :)

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:51 PM

I'm having a look into those products, I'm curious though, if they aid incredibly in detoxing the system wouldnt users have noted worse breakouts ? (due to the toxins escaping?) rather than improvment ..at least straight away?


Not everyone who supplements Iodine reports an initial breakout! Some reap the benefits immediately, and it is said that if you start on a low dosage and work your way up, the initial side effects are lessened. I imagine the same would be true for the others.

Is there a way to tell if one is toxic of heavy metals?


The symptoms I listed would be a great starting point! Accumulation of halogens in the endocrine glands causes reduced hormone production, which in turn leads to sluggishness / tiredness, brain-fog, depression, unnatural circadian rhythms, acne, eczema, thyroid disease, hyperhydrosis, increased sebum output, extremely cold fingers / toes. Also the accumulation of fluoride in the bones can cause a wide variety of bone-related diseases.

im curious if you've supplemented iodine before? Posted Image


This will be my first time. Once I begin, I will likely start a new thread to report any changes.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 08:35 PM


I'm having a look into those products, I'm curious though, if they aid incredibly in detoxing the system wouldnt users have noted worse breakouts ? (due to the toxins escaping?) rather than improvment ..at least straight away?


Not everyone who supplements Iodine reports an initial breakout! Some reap the benefits immediately, and it is said that if you start on a low dosage and work your way up, the initial side effects are lessened. I imagine the same would be true for the others.

Is there a way to tell if one is toxic of heavy metals?


The symptoms I listed would be a great starting point! Accumulation of halogens in the endocrine glands causes reduced hormone production, which in turn leads to sluggishness / tiredness, brain-fog, depression, unnatural circadian rhythms, acne, eczema, thyroid disease, hyperhydrosis, increased sebum output, extremely cold fingers / toes. Also the accumulation of fluoride in the bones can cause a wide variety of bone-related diseases.

im curious if you've supplemented iodine before? Posted Image


This will be my first time. Once I begin, I will likely start a new thread to report any changes.


thanks for the reply, I'm actually very keen to supplement myself I tick off enough symptoms. I guess my fear would be breaking out more but I'm definitely keen. what might be considering a low dose?
so really if one breaks out from salt in general does that mean they are just de-toxining?some people think salt aggrevates acne when


I came across this:
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Humifulvate
Take one 75 milligram capsule of humifulvate each night before bed, at least two hours after your last meal. Although humifulvate can be taken for weeks or months at a time it’s wise to allow the body a break. A good routine is to supplement for one month and then take a one-month break. Repeat as desired.


2

Iodine
Take two drops of 5% Lugol's solution or a single Iodoral tablet containing 12.5 mg of elemental iodine with humifulvate before bed. Iodine will increase the urinary excretion of lead, cadmium, arsenic, aluminum and mercury.
Iodine supplementation may result in side-effects, such as increased perspiration, frontal headaches, sneezing, and acne. These are temporary effects from toxic materials being pulled from the tissues, particularly a mineral called bromide, and may be minimized or avoided with salt loading.
If iodine-related effects occur, salt loading can be used to increase the excretion rate of bromide and minimize side-effects. The chloride in salt will bind with bromide in the blood stream and then carry it out through the kidneys.
Unrefined Celtic sea salt, which contains a large variety of mineral salts, is best for detoxification, although table salt can be used if Celtic salt is not available.
During the day, take 1/2 teaspoon of unrefined Celtic salt in 1/2 cup of warm water. Follow this with 12 ounces of purified or clean water. Repeat this step every 45-minutes until your first urination. Discontinue salt loading after side-effects abate.


3

Vitamin C
Take 3,000 Milligrams of Vitamin C along with the humifulvate and iodine. Vitamin C improves detoxification pathways and helps reduce some symptoms of detoxification.


4

Magnesium

Take 400 to 600 milligrams of Magnesium per day to improve detoxification pathways. It should be taken with meals to improve absorption."



What are your thoughts on this plan? I wish it was a little more specific like how long to take everything etc. Someone commented on this post/article thing saying they had supplemented iodine for around 6months and still have heavy metals in their system...
they took a heavy metals test, wasnt sure there was one but not sure how accurate that might be.

so i guess the plan would be to intake salt as well? (would that make detoxing symptoms worse though. its said it would make them more tolerable but thats confusing as people reported breakouts from salt loading for fluoride detox).

Hm.actually im
more curious where you can ever get the idoine thats safe to consume?

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:10 PM

^^ With regards to heavy metals still being present. You have to realize most people have a lifetime's worth of halogen accumulation, compounded upon the fact that all public water supplies are fluorinated and sometimes brominated. Everyone is continuously ingesting these metals on a daily basis, because most if not all foods are made or grown with public water sources. (vegetables, fish, fruit, juice, milk, etc, are all going to contain these toxic metals)

You cannot avoid ingesting these halogens completely, but the point of Iodine supplementation is that they are being flushed out on a constant basis and never allowed to accumulate in your various endocrine glands.

I haven't done much research on minimizing the side effects of detoxification, but as for the sources of ingestible iodine, your own quote lists the two brands I am currently aware of. Both of these can be found on Amazon.

Seaweed is the best natural source of Iodine that I know of. Incidentally, the Japanese do not fluorinate their water supplies and they ingest far more than the FDAs recommended amount of Iodine on a daily basis. It's probably no coincidence they have some of the lowest occurrences of acne in the world.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:48 AM

thanks for the reply, I'm actually very keen to supplement myself I tick off enough symptoms. I guess my fear would be breaking out more but I'm definitely keen. what might be considering a low dose?

Hm.actually im
more curious where you can ever get the idoine thats safe to consume?


So why not try adding kelp and other seaweeds? There are many ways. Kombu (I think it's called) is used like boullion in Japan. Just add a piece whenever you are making soup and bone broths. And you can buy kelp flakes to use as a seasoning to sprinkle on food. I have one called Sea Seasonings organic kelp granules from Maine. 1/4 teaspoon has over 2000% the RDA. And then there's nori, the wrappers in Sushi. Use it to make sandwich wraps. And they make roasted seasoned nori snacks to be eaten like crackers and potato chips. I've never tried them.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:12 AM

Iodine and halogen detox protocol thread: http://www.acne.org/...en#entry3239509

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:50 AM

Iodine and halogen detox protocol thread: http://www.acne.org/...en#entry3239509


Thanks for the link. It's scary to think that an initial breakout could last 6 months.

I'll still have plenty of accutane in my system, so hopefully it mitigates the effects.

I've been drinking only distilled water for a few days now... Everything was going fine until I ate some organic carrots today. They had a terrible metallic taste to them. I've never really experienced that before... Not sure if it's related, but definitely something to think about.

Oh, and pure baking soda makes a great toothpaste if you're looking for a cheap, non-fluorinated alternative! Also hydrogen peroxide makes a fantastic mouthwash!

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:08 AM


Iodine and halogen detox protocol thread: http://www.acne.org/...en#entry3239509


Thanks for the link. It's scary to think that an initial breakout could last 6 months.

I'll still have plenty of accutane in my system, so hopefully it mitigates the effects.

I've been drinking only distilled water for a few days now... Everything was going fine until I ate some organic carrots today. They had a terrible metallic taste to them. I've never really experienced that before... Not sure if it's related, but definitely something to think about.

Oh, and pure baking soda makes a great toothpaste if you're looking for a cheap, non-fluorinated alternative! Also hydrogen peroxide makes a fantastic mouthwash!


I like brushing with baking soda but I was doing that regularly a few years ago and my blood pressure went up. So I've been using flouride free toothpastes since, until about a month ago, when it occurred to me that since I've been reading for years articles saying that studies find that dry brushing removes more plaque than anything else, why use anything? Toothpaste is one more chemical industry product we don't need and never did. But I may mix up a toothpowder to use at bedtime with a calcium mineral clay and BS and/or salt.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:17 AM



Iodine and halogen detox protocol thread: http://www.acne.org/...en#entry3239509


Thanks for the link. It's scary to think that an initial breakout could last 6 months.

I'll still have plenty of accutane in my system, so hopefully it mitigates the effects.

I've been drinking only distilled water for a few days now... Everything was going fine until I ate some organic carrots today. They had a terrible metallic taste to them. I've never really experienced that before... Not sure if it's related, but definitely something to think about.

Oh, and pure baking soda makes a great toothpaste if you're looking for a cheap, non-fluorinated alternative! Also hydrogen peroxide makes a fantastic mouthwash!


I like brushing with baking soda but I was doing that regularly a few years ago and my blood pressure went up. So I've been using flouride free toothpastes since, until about a month ago, when it occurred to me that since I've been reading for years articles saying that studies find that dry brushing removes more plaque than anything else, why use anything? Toothpaste is one more chemical industry product we don't need and never did. But I may mix up a toothpowder to use at bedtime with a calcium mineral clay and BS and/or salt.


When you say dry brushing, what do you mean exactly? With no water at all, or only water? I find that without an abrasive substance, my teeth don't feel completely "smooth" after brushing if that makes sense. I don't want to use extremely hard bristles because it may aggravate any gum recession. (A reported side effect of accutane)

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:37 AM




Iodine and halogen detox protocol thread: http://www.acne.org/...en#entry3239509


Thanks for the link. It's scary to think that an initial breakout could last 6 months.

I'll still have plenty of accutane in my system, so hopefully it mitigates the effects.

I've been drinking only distilled water for a few days now... Everything was going fine until I ate some organic carrots today. They had a terrible metallic taste to them. I've never really experienced that before... Not sure if it's related, but definitely something to think about.

Oh, and pure baking soda makes a great toothpaste if you're looking for a cheap, non-fluorinated alternative! Also hydrogen peroxide makes a fantastic mouthwash!


I like brushing with baking soda but I was doing that regularly a few years ago and my blood pressure went up. So I've been using flouride free toothpastes since, until about a month ago, when it occurred to me that since I've been reading for years articles saying that studies find that dry brushing removes more plaque than anything else, why use anything? Toothpaste is one more chemical industry product we don't need and never did. But I may mix up a toothpowder to use at bedtime with a calcium mineral clay and BS and/or salt.


When you say dry brushing, what do you mean exactly? With no water at all, or only water? I find that without an abrasive substance, my teeth don't feel completely "smooth" after brushing if that makes sense. I don't want to use extremely hard bristles because it may aggravate any gum recession. (A reported side effect of accutane)


Dry, not that it stays dry. and use a soft brush. Brush like they always say you should with the brush angled toward the gumline and move in a circular motion. Brush for at least 2 minutes. Start with the inside surfaces. And at bedtime, floss or water pik before brushing and use a tongue scraper.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:43 AM

^ Hmm, this may come in handy when I go camping net week. Definitely going to try it.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:39 PM

I have no idea why the discussion has moved into metals. Halogens are not metals.

And I'd be very suspicious of "detoxing". That's largely holistic health mumbo jumbo. Proper iodine intake and avoiding non-nutrient halogens should help your body over time, though.




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