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#61 Sendai

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 06:04 AM

QUOTE (AlexAlmighty @ Sep 14 2004, 07:07 AM)
Sendai:During that time did u use cleansers? How many times did you shower per week and what was the temperature of the water? pls reply thanks

No cleansers. I showered once per day in the morning, once more during the day if I was training. I do not use very hot water, but I have no idea what temperature the water is. I do not have thermometer at hand.


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Posted 16 September 2004 - 06:15 AM

QUOTE (Axefretter @ Sep 15 2004, 07:51 PM)
There has to ba a lot said for it for the simple fact that while in the military you used water and nothing else and the majority of acne sufferers came out four years later with clear skin. My uncle was one of them 15 years ago and he had severe acne at the time.

Most acne goes over by itself with time, especially for those who have it young (military age). Worse chances for those of us who have it when no longer so young. So just because the majority of any given group stops having acne during four years time, proves nothing. Unfortunately.

However, I found this in a medical journal (this is the abstract):

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Background 
In westernized societies, acne vulgaris is a nearly universal skin disease afflicting 79% to 95% of the adolescent population. In men and women older than 25 years, 40% to 54% have some degree of facial acne, and clinical facial acne persists into middle age in 12% of women and 3% of men. Epidemiological evidence suggests that acne incidence rates are considerably lower in nonwesternized societies. Herein we report the prevalence of acne in 2 nonwesternized populations: the Kitavan Islanders of Papua New Guinea and the Aché hunter-gatherers of Paraguay. Additionally, we analyze how elements in nonwesternized environments may influence the development of acne.

Observations 
Of 1200 Kitavan subjects examined (including 300 aged 15-25 years), no case of acne (grade 1 with multiple comedones or grades 2-4) was observed. Of 115 Aché subjects examined (including 15 aged 15-25 years) over 843 days, no case of active acne (grades 1-4) was observed.

Conclusions 
The astonishing difference in acne incidence rates between nonwesternized and fully modernized societies cannot be solely attributed to genetic differences among populations but likely results from differing environmental factors. Identification of these factors may be useful in the treatment of acne in Western populations.


(A Disease of Western Civilization. Loren Cordain, PhD; Staffan Lindeberg, MD,PhD; Magdalena Hurtado, PhD; Kim Hill, PhD; S. Boyd Eaton, MD; Jennie Brand-Miller, PhD. Arch Dermatol. 2002;138:1584-1590.)

They speculated that it probably has something to do with diet. However, they don't really know.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 07:28 AM

Sendai: i emant if it was cold,warm,or hot.. from " I do not use very hot water" i will take u used warm-hot water,anything above 42celcius will def open up the pores.Well the military here is 2 years and i have a friend who went in with pretty bad acne and now (about 2 months later) he is 90% clear.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 08:06 AM

Hows the skin alex, still improving? when was the last breakout you had?

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 08:31 AM

Well it seems time to update.Well throughout the experiment ive been getting small totally surfaced whiteheads so the last brakeout would be today tongue.gif BUT for someone having SEVERE acne (back then i had 5+ cysts at any given time without counting milia,blackheads and 3-4 whiteheads every day) that is great news..no more cysts.Ohh i almost forgot..up until now i was only looking my face from the front seeing the color it had,i didnt want to know how my skin felt like,anw couple of days ago i deciced to hit some light from the side of my face and to my amazement my 30+ milia on each cheek was gone tongue.gif.So atm i have 5-6 scabs, ~7-8 tiny whiteheads and red marks,nothing else.

And btw we had gymnastics today and i sweated alot,after my face got dry and i returned home 3 hours later my face was still non-oily.How cool is that?I had to shave though cause the profs were getting mad..we have such strict and stupid rules... so i kinda blew the experiment a bit..shaving foam and all.Im gonna start shaving more frequently now only with water ( had to use foam today my beard was too long tongue.gif ).So that about sums up this week tongue.gif

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 10:13 AM

Hey alex i'm also trying it out atm...my skin looks and feels ALOT better....the only downside is not letting water touch my face i'm unable to wash my hair = grease YUK!

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 10:17 AM

You can wash your hair...first wet them,then shampoo ,then turn your head away from the shower head and bend backwards,now the water should hit your forehead and you can wash off the shampoo without any going on your skin.Shampooing once every 2 days is enough i believe.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 04:22 AM

Being a long time suffer of the same kind of severe acne im very intrigued by this but how do i stop water hitting my face when i take showers?

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 04:35 AM

Its not hard, as Alex said wash your hair from behind.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 11:49 AM

I cant do this no more....I need something better. My face was getting too oily and i was breaking out like crazy. Now im using Neutrogena DEEP CLEAN cleanser instead of cetaphil. I might use this once a day or maybe twice.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 12:04 PM

QUOTE(ballaballa @ Sep 17 2004, 10:36 AM)
I cant do this no more....I need something better. My face was getting too oily and i was breaking out like crazy. Now im using Neutrogena DEEP CLEAN cleanser instead of cetaphil. I might use this once a day or maybe twice.

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I agree with alex,putting all this so called "Acne cure" crap on your face doesn't help atall.

Alex has the right idea,but it needs to be modified for certain people (me) who's hair get's very greasy within one day.

So all you do is wash your hair in the morning..and wet your face...then don't touch/wash your face again untill the following morning.

Been working for me atm

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 02:02 PM

ballaballa: Well it was like that for me too..my right side looks like normal skin at last..not perfect but a normal teenagers cheek with some minor blemishes.I got about 12 small whiteheads today because i shaved yesterday..shaving foam has similar crap in it like most cleancers like glycerin,stearyl alcohol etc

Ryan Valmont: Get a hair cut!

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(AlexAlmighty @ Sep 17 2004, 12:49 PM)
ballaballa: Well it was like that for me too..my right side looks like normal skin at last..not perfect but a normal teenagers cheek with some minor blemishes.I got about 12 small whiteheads today because i shaved yesterday..shaving foam has similar crap in it like most cleancers like glycerin,stearyl alcohol etc

Ryan Valmont: Get a hair cut!

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LOL alex...

Hey alex my friend,try shaving with an electric shaver?!

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 09:34 PM

does it matter how much water can touch your face throughout the day or does that strip the oil from your face?

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 11:39 PM

Ryan Valmont: I cant afford an electic shaver atm tongue.gif.Im just gonna shave more often only with water..im gonna have to use very sharp blades if i dont want to butcher my face though...

thejackal:The only thing i've tried except water every 2 days is water every 5 days tongue.gif,so i dont know if washing more often will affect anything,just try to use very cold water (tightens the pores) if you really have to.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 01:08 PM

by the way i think alex is really on to something because i can remember when i was younger i would rarely ever take too much time cleaning my face and i didnt have 1 blemish. It's all a big conspiracy of these companies to keep you buying their shit and wasting your money for something that can be taken care without anything, unless you are genitcally programmed to get it. that sux

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 01:37 PM

What i do now is

Shower everyday in the morning (GOT TO,my hair get's really greasy over night)

But in-between showering now,i don't wash my face

Before i'd shower in the morning and wash my face like 4 times after that aswell.

Seem's to working atm....only time can say what will happen next!

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 02:29 PM

Not sure if the constant masturbation is a benefit but ill keep to my regular scedule.

This is actually really facinating because it makes sense that we've never heard it before, its not like companies will say "you dont need our product at all". We should cash in by making a water tight face mask so people dont get it wet in the shower.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 02:45 PM

Redferret:

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We should cash in by making a water tight face mask so people dont get it wet in the shower.


Its better to wet your face than apply a face mask,thats the whole point..no chems tongue.gif

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Not sure if the constant masturbation is a benefit but ill keep to my regular scedule.


I only did that for experimental reasons..i dont see any difference though.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 03:22 PM

Alex I'm thinking about trying what you're doing. Do you literally not use anything on your face? Not even a cleanser? Oh, and I never get any oil on my face anyway, so what can I expect?





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