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[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

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Edited by HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM, 27 September 2004 - 08:22 AM.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM: Yes i still get pimples,and i say pimples because thats what it is..my active acne now does not even classify as acne,i had SEVERE acne 1 month ago.I doubt that anyone even on accutane got this kind of results.If you dont want to do this dont do it,but please dont try to persuade yourself (cause thats the only person listening you here) not to do this just because you're a wuss afraid to go against the "protection" of your modern creams and crap.Maybe im totally wrong about this,who knows,but the point is that i actually try new things.I face my problems,i dont hide behind my finger with lame excuses.If it is my fate to have acne ill deal with it,but i wanna make sure that i dont have acne because of my own mistakes.

edit: About my "nugget of wisdom",guess what everybody thinks when they get their oral stuff(antibiotics,tane).."Yeah they are finally here,bye bye acne","The derm cant be wrong im going to get clear for sure",This is step 1..after 1-2 weeks of no results.. .."Ok im gonna speed up stuff..ill just wash 4x every 3 hours" OR "ill use bp and sa mix 5x during the day so ill fight the acne both ways,from inside and outside"..

.. and most people get pretty much clear from taking anitbiotics and their regimen. Where the hell are these people washing 4 or 5 times a day you are talking about?

Practically everyone gets clear from the 'tane. It's pretty sad you think i'm a wuss or whatever for objecting to your regimen. I think it's a bad idea. And i'm going to tell people. Of course I think it's a bad idea to stop using BP or 'modern creams and crap'. Shitloads of people get clear via using the acne.org BP regimen.

[AlexAlmighty]

HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM: I dont doubt the effectiveness of BP or tane but were not talking here about 3 zits/month.You gotta realize that most ppl on the regimen are practically clear(see some pics ffs) to start with.As for tane more or less is the same thing, the threads about 2nd(even 3rd and fourth) courses are getting more and more so are the threads about the ineffectiveness of BP LONG term,all of these things do work but SHORTterm..also my budget atm is $0.50 and im not gonna spend anything to "cure" something as simple as this.3X is the most common number or washing (ok i exaggereted a bit in my previous post).I would also like you to consider how many ppl take their skin for granted and have it perfectly clear? How many ppl you know that put shit on their faces 24/7 that DONT have acne? Not many eh?.And btw i havent seen anyone post in acne.org so far that had permanent results from any kind of antibiotics.

[thejackal]

i have been doing the same thing as alexalmighty and i can tell you that he is right on. You are "definately" going to break out like he said but it is worth it because after about a week or 2 you start to clean up real fast. This has got to be the only thing that has ever worked for me.

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

It is working for me too. I have only used water and my face is looking much better than when I was using BP.

I am adding more cardio exercise and sweating to my regimen

As Alex said you cannot destroy acne bacteria completely with BP and anyway they come back in an hour.

You have to build up resistance and treat the condition in the natural way

[malia]

if you use medicated cleansers you break the topmost layer of your skin. and once that's breached, bacteria can enter and cause an infection.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

Right, so how are people getting clear by using the Regimen?

By that (il)logic, anyone that has ever got clear from the BP regimen is lying because bacteria can enter and cause an infection. Don't make things up.

You cannot provide any evidence that shows medicated cleansers break the "topmost layer of your skin". It just sounds like total fluff.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

It is working for me too. I have only used water and my face is looking much better than when I was using BP.

I am adding more cardio exercise and sweating to my regimen

As Alex said you cannot destroy acne bacteria completely with BP and anyway they come back in an hour.

You have to build up resistance and treat the condition in the natural way

Well done. So give the bacteria free roam of your face. How exactly do you plan to build up resistance to an infection on your face? Treating the condition by doing nothing at all?

If doing nothing at all got us clear then none of us would be here in the first place.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM: I dont doubt the effectiveness of BP or tane but were not talking here about 3 zits/month.You gotta realize that most ppl on the regimen are practically clear(see some pics ffs) to start with.As for tane more or less is the same thing, the threads about 2nd(even 3rd and fourth) courses are getting more and more so are the threads about the ineffectiveness of BP LONG term,all of these things do work but SHORTterm..also my budget atm is $0.50 and im not gonna spend anything to "cure" something as simple as this.3X is the most common number or washing (ok i exaggereted a bit in my previous post).I would also like you to consider how many ppl take their skin for granted and have it perfectly clear? How many ppl you know that put shit on their faces 24/7 that DONT have acne? Not many eh?.And btw i havent seen anyone post in acne.org so far that had permanent results from any kind of antibiotics.

Okay. I started trying to decipher what the hell you were talking about.

So you are saying here "As for tane more or less is the same thing". You are saying that mostly mild cases of acne are being tackled with Accutane, right? If you go out and look at the galleries or whatever then you'll see most people are moderate-servere if they are on Accutane. If someone needs 3 or 4 courses then they probably have a bad acne problem.

What the hell? Where are the people washing 3 times per day all the time? Practically everyone is washing 2 times per day.

[claud]

I guess I'm the only girl replying and I've been reading all your post that you guys had being doing. I was thinking of doing that, cause' I'm getting tired of itching all the time. I think my skin needs a rest. To tell you the thruth my skin was fine when I didn't put crap on my face just a couple blemishes. But, now I look at my face and I notice the parts I concetrated on putting to much shit looks weird. The areas that I get acne but, is not noticeable look good. Cause' I don't put nothin on it. I was trying to determine that maybe I should off listen to my dad. Cause' he says I put too much crap on my face, he told me to just use water. I'll give it a shot.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

Your dad is wrong. Tell him that he talks out of his asshole thankyou please.

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

Well done.  So give them the bacteria free roam of your face.  How exactly do you plan to build up resistance to an infection on your face?  Treating the condition by doing nothing at all?

If doing nothing at all got us clear then none of us would be here in the first place.

You are partly right. Because of my age I cannot use too much of anything on my face.

If you are a teenager or in your early 20's BP may work fine for you.

I am sorry if my post misleads people. Please do what suits you best.

I still trying use of BP in very small amounts, not on my cheeks, because I have problems using it in that area, but mainly in areas I shave my face because I get acne and bumps more around those areas.

My apologies to DAN for attacking his regimen.

Water seems to work best for me and at my age the healing of acne scars is better without BP applied to my cheeks.

Some shallow scarring is already becoming less visible (filling up) without the use of BP on my cheeks.

[AlexAlmighty]

HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM: I really wonder why you keep posting in this thread,if you dont like it go away,im pretty sure people here are intelligent enough to make their own decisions.

Well done. So give them the bacteria free roam of your face. How exactly do you plan to build up resistance to an infection on your face? Treating the condition by doing nothing at all?

If doing nothing at all got us clear then none of us would be here in the first place.

Bacteria roam free in your intestines aswell,lets all start drinking bleach so we can kill them!! Come on where's the 12Litre family size BP solution? Damn you microbiophobic people.I rarely see anyone in my school that is 100% clear,everyone has tiny zits or blackheads,the basic difference is that they dont make a big fuss about it.Just ask yourself,were you doing "nothing" before you came to this site for help?Lemme guess..washing,various home remedies,facials.

Well done. So give them the bacteria free roam of your face.

Read this a few times, now read this

Okay. I started trying to decipher what the hell you were talking about

I dont think it makes you look very cool when you try to make fun of my english and then kill the language with a battleaxe.

And please from now on , talk to the hand.

[AlexAlmighty]

Some posts i found interesting from threads in "Regimen" section:

its getting really annoying, but nothing seems to work for my whiteheads. i aint been getting many spots but, i have so many whiteheads all over my face and its getting depressing...

nothing seems to work, i wash my face get rid of most of them but they keep coming back. usually in the huge amount of pores i have on my face

I use face wash, i use BP, i use BP and Facewash. just dont do anything to get rid of them...someone please help...

whitehead's are ALL that i get. They start out very small, get inflamed bigger and bigger until i get mad and drain them or they pop by thereselves... in my oppinion its the most annoying type of acne out there because the outbreaks are so erratic and random, not to mention half the time you cannnot make them JUST dissapear and usually result in popping the pimples intentionally or unintentionally. I have noticed sacylic acid based face washes do better than other types, and even dish soap at times. The secret ive found to controlling this acne is washing your face more than the reccomended dosage per day, first off with hot water, i like to apply bp cream, then wash this off with COLD water to close pores... ive had pretty good sucess in the past and i only break out bad when i leave my skin unattented.

In all, drop the twice a day bullshit and adjust your regimen according to how your face feel's, when you work out, the humidity of the weather ect. It is my belief that whitehead's are mostly sweat/oil induced. In my case.

I'm have oily skin problem. My face will oily after 2hours i wash my face and need one sheet oily tissue to remove oily from my face. Im have sensitive skin and i not dare to try new product.

I think i should change the face cleanser? Anyone have good good face cleaser for oily skin and work? Need Help ....

[claud]

Well, wise old men are always right. I mean back in the days. People wash their face with natural water. There skin look perfect. But, I'm trying your stuff but, in my own way. Wash my face with warm water in the morning and put a little BP at night. Sorry guys, I'm a girl menstrual cycles you know.....

[malia]

Right, so how are people getting clear by using the Regimen?

By that (il)logic, anyone that has ever got clear from the BP regimen is lying because bacteria can enter and cause an infection. Don't make things up.

You cannot provide any evidence that shows medicated cleansers break the "topmost layer of your skin". It just sounds like total fluff.

BP does kill bacteria but you have to keep killing it for it to work. BP is also an exfoliator...basically it is a bleach which irritates the skin so that the top layer will slough off. google it. i didn't make it up. so by that logic you will keep your pores free of bacteria and peeling so that it won't get clogged with dead skin and p. acnes.

for some people who have used BP it does irritate areas of skin that aren't acne prone. acne is a sign of irritation. that's why for SOME people using as little as possible is contributing to clearer skin.

people post on here about what has helped them. don't attack people because something has worked for them and they're just trying to share it.

if you're doing something that is working for you then good for you.

[HUMMMMMMMElectricHUMMMM]

acne is a sign of irritation. 

people post on here about what has helped them.  don't attack people because something has worked for them and they're just trying to share it.

Acne is not a sign of irritation. Acne is a sign that you have the acne p. vulgaris bacteria living in pores in your face overfilled with sebum because you produce too much. Irritation is a contributing factor but IS NOT the single cause.

Why can't I tell people I think it's a bad idea? I don't think anyone will get clear by doing nothing at all. I was doing nothing at all and then I got acne. Cleansing using products is part of the solution - now I don't get acne.

People always seem to dislike anyone attacking 'water only' regimens. Why can't I tell people that I think it's a bad idea? I want to put people off from trying it because I think they will worsen their acne problem. I remember a guy on clearskin.net who tried it some while ago and got some short term benefit and then his face broke out badly. Jerryhsu also tried this sometime ago and not only managed to make a total bellend of himself, but also worsened his facial acne condition.


I'll address the other issues raised tomorrow when i've got more time.

[duluxdog]

.As for tane more or less is the same thing, the threads about 2nd(even 3rd and fourth) courses are getting more and more so are the threads about the ineffectiveness of BP LONG term,

How is it that you propose BP cream becomes less effective over time? I cannot understand what logic this is based on. I would consider your statement to be valid if BP was some kind of antibiotic cream. But it isn't and thus the skin, or, more to the point the acne p. vulgaris bacteria living within the skin, cannot build up any form of "resistance" against BP creams.

I belive in Dan's regimen it is outlined that some users have complained of the supposed ineffectiveness of BP in the long term. Dan states that these users have likely become slack in their application of the BP cream. Since a large amount is needed to control the acne p. vulgaris bacteria sufficiently enough to note significant reduction in the occurance of nodules or papules, users can become lax over time in their application of the cream. It is generally suggested to such users that they read the regimen notes thoroughly to ensure they are following them 'to the T'.

As for the results produced by Accutane in the long term, second cycles aren't hugely common. Accutane has around a 90% remission in which a second cycle may or may not become neccessary, I believe. Frankly anyone that is using a third or fourth cycle probably has a very servere problem with their acne or isn't carrying out any basic skin maintenance (such as basic cleansing) on a day-to-day basis followoing their initial cycle.

[duluxdog]

Well, wise old men are always right. I mean back in the days. People wash their face with natural water. There skin look perfect. But, I'm trying your stuff but, in my own way. Wash my face with warm water in the morning and put a little BP at night. Sorry guys, I'm a girl menstrual cycles you know.....

Wise old men probably didn't have acne, likely their hormones had become stable over time having reached maturity, and their levels of sebum production were not high enough to provide suitable reproduction grounds for the acne p. vulgaris bacteria.

[AlexAlmighty]

Puberty does have to do with elevated sebum production,but severe acne sufferers have so much oil its just unnatural.Correct me if im wrong but the purpose of BP isnt to kill bacteria? it doesnt have to be "antibiotic" , alcohol and high temperatures kill bacteria too,so not only antibacterial solutions have these results.BP doesnt get less effective over time,i meant it just works temporarily => As soon as you stop using it you go back to where you started.

I think they will worsen their acne problem. I remember a guy on clearskin.net who tried it some while ago and got some short term benefit and then his face broke out badly.

Now if you attribute acne to high sebum production and believe that doing nothing will contribute to that high production,then wouldnt he brake out badly immediatetly and not the other way around (lie you say)?Im sure he tried it for 12-72 hours which is not the point and he got the "initial brakeout" that i repeated in almost every damn post in this thread.Actually your skin will be crap for 7-10 days.His short term benefit was that his skin looked less red with all the sebum inside.(moist promoted healing).

Having said all that how do you explain that i had like 5 showers in 20 days,sweating every 3-4 days,eating all kind of crap and im not swimming in pus?.Or even more..nothing except water has touched my face for around 1 1/2 month and im having 1 whitehead every 3 days?If i was supposed to "break out badly" its taking an awful alot of time..


PS:

I was doing nothing at all and then I got acne.

1 pimple is not acne.You just made sure that it will become

Also as i said previously,im pretty sure people here are intelligent enough to make their own decisions,but you dont mind reading what everybody else writes,right?You are the shit and know better.