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[Tommo123]

My experience is very similar to wibbles, It's worth a go because alot of people i have spoken to can really tell the difference in the first couple of week's.

[Richard1986]

I've always had normal skin. If anything, it might be dry on occasion. I started getting acne this past year (I'm now 21 and female) and never really had it in the past, aside from the occasional pimple or two every month. Because I started breaking out, my derm said I needed to start washing my face twice a day which is normal, but honestly, its something I've never done before.
Yup, the only time I ever washed my face was shower or swimming. I never scrubbed it, and sometimes I would even sleep in my makeup. I never broke out from that. So my derm said my acne is hormonal.

So now, I wash my face 2X daily with Kavi sulfur soap (AQUA, the gentler one) and am also now on birth control.

MY NOSE IS SOOOOOOO OILY. I can't stand it. Is this from washing my face everyday? Because as I said before, my skin is NOT used to that. Or is it from the birth control, which is new, and my body hasn't adjusted to yet...

BTW it looks like sweat on my nose its so oily...

also, I don't moisturize. Can that help reduce oily skin?

My questions may seem dumb, but I'm new to this ordeal. Acne AND oily skin.....

Thanks

Go Try AcneScript man it really helps a ton for oilyskin it help me for my bad oily skin deal i had

Edited by Richard1986, 25 November 2010 - 04:56 PM.

[wibble]

wibble,

I see a lot of anecdotal evidence for PA, but no hard studies. As you know there are a lot of other factors that could come into play that might effect a change.

How sure are you that the effect you saw on your oily skin was down to PA?

Sorry to ask,

Moon

No need to apologize! Its interesting, with so much anecdotal evidence, why aren't there any studies on it...at all ? Probably, because no one will make enough money out of a vitamin.

I'm 99.5% sure that the reduction in sebum was down to PA. Purely as I tried stopping and restarting several times, and the effect was reproducible each time. Only once was there a lot of sebum AND PA, and that was when I tried adding a large dose of Biotin. As soon as I stopped taking the Biotin (but taking the PA), the sebum stopped. I only tried the Biotin once though, so it could be coincidence. However, the repeated PA consumption did stack up. There isn't too long a wait each time with PA, so its easier to spot the correlation.

Its relatively easy for anyone to test, as long as they don't mind their stools being a bit erm sloppy for a day or two at first. Just munch down 10g+/day for a week and see what you think (don't take other B supps just for the first week to isolate, add them later). One week actually coincides with the Lit-Heung study results as well, so seems to bear this out.

I should also note, that when you stop B5, everything returns as it was. Sebum is as it was before taking the B5, unlike something like Accutane which has a longer lasting reduction of sorts. Also note the reports on hairloss. It never was for me, but if you already have dry/brittle hair, I would hesitate on taking it. If you have greasy hair naturally like me, then maybe thats the difference (basically your hair does feel drier when taking it).

Edited by wibble, 26 November 2010 - 09:10 AM.

[Tommo123]

Wibble is spot on dont take PA with biotin at first, i made the mistake of using biotin and it also made my skin oily it can make such a diffrence, however some people can take PA with biotin with no problem.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Does anyone else find Bryan extremley annoying?

Everytime i read one of your posts your always challenging peoples results and ideas, you come off as a very negative know-it-all person.

Maybe you are right with some of the facts you post, but its the way you do it.

You seem to talk down to people who think differently to you..

I'm not saying bryan is wrong, but he is very condescending, and there is one major flaw in his experiments. He doesn't even have oily skin. Bryan, did you ever think that somebody with overactive sebaceous glands might react differently to cleansers and moisturizers?

Edited by ParanoidAndroid, 01 December 2010 - 08:32 PM.

[ʀio]

Yea Vitamin B5

[bryan]

I'm not saying bryan is wrong, but he is very condescending, and there is one major flaw in his experiments. He doesn't even have oily skin. Bryan, did you ever think that somebody with overactive sebaceous glands might react differently to cleansers and moisturizers?

Seriously, do you _really_ think that would make a difference in how one reacts to cleansers and moisturizers? In the large 1958 study by Kligman and Shelley that got this ball rolling in the first place ("An Investigation of the Biology of the Human Sebaceous Gland", J Inv Derm, 30: 99-124, 1958), the authors THEMSELVES had included the participation in their experiments of men with very high levels of sebum production; in fact, they refer to those individuals as "sebaceous athletes" in the text of the study! Nowhere in that exhaustive 25-page study did Kligman and Shelley ever suggest something as important as a difference in the way people react to cleansers, based on how much sebum they produce in the first place. If you think it's a "flaw" in those experiments that nobody has considered such a possibility, it's getting pretty deep in here!

[jsmithson]

But that's science, isn't it? A study from 1958 cannot possibly be the final word on any subject. New science may come out that adds to knowledge in that area.

However I do agree in principle with your statements about misinformation. There is so much of it on acne.org. The sad thing is there is so much unscientific garbage in the marketing material of acne products!

Hopefully there will one day be a safe and reliable method for reducing sebum production. I look forward to that day!

the text of the study! Nowhere in that exhaustive 25-page study did Kligman and Shelley ever suggest something as important as a difference in the way people react to cleansers, based on how much sebum they produce in the first place. If you think it's a "flaw" in those experiments that nobody has considered such a possibility, it's getting pretty deep in here!

[bryan]

But that's science, isn't it? A study from 1958 cannot possibly be the final word on any subject. New science may come out that adds to knowledge in that area.

Sure, but it's been corroborated in newer experiments, too. In that large thread I started a few years ago on that same subject, the poster "labgirl81" (who was working as a chemist for a cosmetic products company at the time) posted about how her own company had done similar testing of their own, and had gotten the same results as Kligman & Shelley back in 1958. And _I_ got the same results in that experiment I posted about a few years ago, in which I used Sebutape test-strips to prove my point. There was also different experimental evidence done by Kligman and his colleagues in the early 1980's that had the same result.

When ALL of these experiments come up with the same results, I think it's safe to say that the results have been verified!

[sam9009]

if a soap or cleanser says it gets rid of excess oil does that mean your skin will be more oily because the soap/cleanser is messing with the oil production?

[greentiger87]

if a soap or cleanser says it gets rid of excess oil does that mean your skin will be more oily because the soap/cleanser is messing with the oil production?

No. If the soap or cleanser is overly irritating, it can increase oil production.