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[bug]

So this dermaroller business looks all right and affordable enough. Needles are scary but .75mm is an acceptable starting point. The question is still where the hell to get one of these things? I thought Google searches would turn up numerous ones, but all the links are busted or are for reviews. Amazon doesn't have much selection, Ebay is a mess as usual...I'm not sure what to do. I bought some CP recently but I figure if it works better with rolling I might as well start rolling away.

*What is a reasonable length and price to be on the lookout for?

hey bro, you can use the .75mm one daily (but if you go too hard, you'll end up w/ lines all over your face and look like hellraiser). some people say it hurts, but really, it doesn't. it just kinda stings if you go along the forehead and jawline. nothing excruciating though.
ANYWAY...i got mine on ebay. it's an aussie company. it's about $160.oo US. AND, they say you can use it (daily) for up to a year. which makes that price just seem yummy.
go to ebay and do a search for "skin roller". the one you want, is probably described as a "skin and scalp roller". read through the description, and it'll say .75mm somewhere (they have shorter needlez, but those probably won't help one bit). ALSO, look for the one with 96 needlez. cuz they sell ones w/ only half the needlez (48). which would suck, since you'd only cover half the surface that a 96er would do

[fang]

So this dermaroller business looks all right and affordable enough. Needles are scary but .75mm is an acceptable starting point. The question is still where the hell to get one of these things? I thought Google searches would turn up numerous ones, but all the links are busted or are for reviews. Amazon doesn't have much selection, Ebay is a mess as usual...I'm not sure what to do. I bought some CP recently but I figure if it works better with rolling I might as well start rolling away.

*What is a reasonable length and price to be on the lookout for?

hey bro, you can use the .75mm one daily (but if you go too hard, you'll end up w/ lines all over your face and look like hellraiser). some people say it hurts, but really, it doesn't. it just kinda stings if you go along the forehead and jawline. nothing excruciating though.
ANYWAY...i got mine on ebay. it's an aussie company. it's about $160.oo US. AND, they say you can use it (daily) for up to a year. which makes that price just seem yummy.
go to ebay and do a search for "skin roller". the one you want, is probably described as a "skin and scalp roller". read through the description, and it'll say .75mm somewhere (they have shorter needlez, but those probably won't help one bit). ALSO, look for the one with 96 needlez. cuz they sell ones w/ only half the needlez (48). which would suck, since you'd only cover half the surface that a 96er would do

Hi,
I use the 96 needle .75mm roller daily with their copper peptide serum, the roller lasts for a year and sells for about $135 US. When I first started rolling I got that line thing, I found if I keep lifting the roller and changing direction I don't get that anymore.

They sell the 96 needle .75mm as a hair restoration roller, here's a link to their store - http://stores.ebay.com.au/Clearskincare-acne-scar-hair-loss
I've looked at the others, when you go to their websites, and investigate a bit further, their sold as disposable and I reckon a 1.5mm needle would have to hurt like hell!!!!

[pakifairy]

is anyone seeing results from the .75mm?

[fang]

is anyone seeing results from the .75mm?

Hi,
Yeh, I love my roller. I used it consistently for the 1st 15-18 months at least every 2nd or 3rd day for acne and an old (30 years old) scar on my forehead. I am really pleased with the results and now use the roller for mainenance/ageing treatment once a week/fortnight sometimes 3rd week (still using my 2nd roller). I allways rolled the whole of my face and incorporated the copper peptides from about a year ago. I actually use the copper peptides twice daily now (in combination with the gel cleanser & glycolic microdermabrasion cream) and find that it has really controlled my breakouts.

[lonelyman]

is anyone seeing results from the .75mm?

Hi,
Yeh, I love my roller. I used it consistently for the 1st 15-18 months at least every 2nd or 3rd day for acne and an old (30 years old) scar on my forehead. I am really pleased with the results and now use the roller for mainenance/ageing treatment once a week/fortnight sometimes 3rd week (still using my 2nd roller). I allways rolled the whole of my face and incorporated the copper peptides from about a year ago. I actually use the copper peptides twice daily now (in combination with the gel cleanser & glycolic microdermabrasion cream) and find that it has really controlled my breakouts.

did it help on acne or dent scars???

[CM77]

I have a question to everyone. I really want to get a dermaroller, but I'm completely unsure of what to do.

The website for the www.dermaroller.de has now changed, but it used to show comparisons to other roller needles on the market and lots of medical information as well. That's all gone now since they have a new site. From reading all that information on their old site, I have a lot of confidence in their product and am a little weary about these other brands that sell over ebay and amazon. The companies that sell over ebay and such do not regulate on what they sell you in regards to the needle length. I want to be absolutely positive that the needles in the roller are of the absolute best quality.

I've been in contact with a representative in the U.S. from www.dermaroller.de and they will only sell me a roller with a needle length of .15 mm. The next smallest size they have is .5 mm and that is only sold to physicians and estheticians. This has made me even more unsure of what to do now. Why are they unwilling to sell longer ones when others are willing to do it? I have scars on my forehead and temples and .15 mm will not do a thing for me. Since the skin is relatively thin in these areas I thought I could see some improvement with a .75 mm roller. The rep gave me a name of a doctor who performs the procedure with the 1.5 mm. I'm going to give them a call to get it done, but I really wanted this .75 mm one for weekly maintenance.

So what do you guys think? Am I crazy for being worried about the other rollers? I told my wife and she thinks I would be a fool to risk buying one of those other rollers. She thinks that there's an obvious reason why they aren't selling it.

[wanna.b.smooth]

I am in the same boat as you: wanting to get into this, but am not sure about what to get. It seems from reading though, that the 1.5mm would be the most effective on scarring. Any comments on this? I think I'm going to get mine from Nova Clinic, as posted earlier in the thread.

As for creams, I'm thinking maybe green cream or CP serum. Any thoughts on what combination of cream would best help collagen production?

Thanks!

[fang]

I am in the same boat as you: wanting to get into this, but am not sure about what to get. It seems from reading though, that the 1.5mm would be the most effective on scarring. Any comments on this? I think I'm going to get mine from Nova Clinic, as posted earlier in the thread.

As for creams, I'm thinking maybe green cream or CP serum. Any thoughts on what combination of cream would best help collagen production?

Thanks!

Hi,
With regard to what type of roller, the Clearskincare rollers are the only rollers that last for 12 months and are designed to be reuesed (they state it in their ads). You look at the fine print (some of them very fine print!) on the other websites for rollers (including dermaroller) and you will see that they are disposable.

A 1.5mm needles gotta hurt and bleed a lot, you'll need some kind of anaesthertic, surely! Do you need to go that long? In the literature I have read they say for shallow scars 0.75mm is long enough. It's only for severe or ice pick scars you need longer needles and they recommend a 2mm needle.

I've used my roller (o.75mm) for about 18 months, I'm onto my 2nd roller (last 10 months with copper peptide serum) and I'm really happy with the results I've had for filling in acne scars and filling in, softening, flattening and evening the skin tone of an old car accident scar.

[ExpectingtheveryBEST]

Hi all! My name is Lisa and just signed up today. I've been learning about the derma rollers for the past few days and am excited to give it a shot. I too have been confused about which to buy from where but as of right now, I too have decided to go with the Nova 1.5 mm. I have emailed asking how long they last and the reply stated that I could use it daily for 6 months.. longer of course if I don't use it every day. There are almost 200 needles to the roller... more effective coverage. I did email a couple of people who bought this item from ebay... none of them had had it for very long yet. I was encouraged to go for it. I was told I would need to use the topical pain killer but other than that.. I have heard nothing negative about skin rollers.

I may not order mine for a couple of weeks yet. I will be checking here for any added posts. I'll also post at which point I finally get to get ROLLING !!!

[wanna.b.smooth]

With all due respect, fang, I understand from your other posts that you love your roller from ClearSkincare and enthusiastically recommend it. But to say that all the other rollers are disposable and the one from ClearSkincare is the only one that is reusable (for a year) is just misinformation, as far as I am able to tell from my research.

From dermaroller.de

It can be used repeatedly for about one hundred times and will last about 2 years.

From dermaroller.com (aka nova)

Q. How long does the dermaroller last.
A. Our skin roller is very high quality so with care of the roller, and with continual use, it will last six months - the needles don't wear out as such as they are medical grade stainless steel, but with continual use they will eventually become

So, for me, it looks like the ones which seem to be popular with the folks on this forum are all reusable, but that ALL models will have to be discarded at some point as with time and use the needles will all get dull. Please correct me with the proper site references if I am wrong.

As for the 1.5mm selection, I am going off Nova's recommedation of 1.5 length for acne scars and the stuff that was posted on Nova's site (http://www.dermaroll...om/medical.html) and the following from their Q&A section:

Q. What about scientific testing?
A. In 2006, Dr. Laaff, a dermato-pathologist, evaluated 20 blinded biopsies from a study performed by Dr. M. Schwarz, a plastic surgeon from Freiburg, into the effects of the Derma Roller on collagen and elastin formation. Biopsies were taken by Dr Schwarz from various parts of the body of 10 patients undergoing elective cosmetic surgery. A first 'control' biopsy was taken adjacent to the site that was needled with the Derma Roller (1.5 mm needle). Six to eight weeks later, another biopsy was taken from the needled skin. New collagen and elastin fibre formation was obvious and quite dramatic. On average, an increase of new fibres of 206% was observed by the pathologist and in one case a 1,000% increase was recorded. In the absence of any signs of overt tissue damage, a new hypothesis for a possible mechanism of action of CIT is proposed. See also Medical Stuff page on this web site

As well as the following information from dermaroller.de's old website, which has a ton more information than the new site (or at least it was more easily available)

DermaRoller™-MODELS

Model: C8 (Homecare Dermaroller)is designed for home-use for the infiltration active substances. It is equipped with 192 stainless steel needles in 8 rows. Their length is only 0,13 + 0,02 mm. The diameter at maximum penetration level is only: 0,07 mm. Roller-width: 20 mm.

The needle-tips are so fine they hardly can be seen with the bare eye, and only penetrate the epidermis and cannot reach the dermis. The infiltration channels are closed in less than one hour after the treatment. The use of the C-8 is not limited, its needles stand several hundred applications. It should be used only and exclusively by the same person.

The treatment is free of pain. Negative side-effects are unknown.

This Dermaroller model is NOT suitable to treat scars and acne scars!


Model: CIT8, also called the MESOROLLER

CIT8 was developed for a less invasive Collagen-Induction-Therapy (CIT).

The model CIT8 can be used on face, neck and décolleté. It is equipped with 192 fine needles from stainless steel in 8 rows. It is 20 mm wide. Its needles penetrate the skin with 0,5 mm and induce body-own collagen in the dermal layers.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!


Model: MF8

MF8 for induction of body's own collagen production. Its needles have a length of 1,5 mm and according to the applied pressure they penetrate the skin from 0,1 to 1,3 mm. The needles induce body own collagen (CIT) in deeper skin layers to strenghten the connective tissue and to minize the typical "orange-skin-apperance". It is equipped with 192 stainless steel needles in 8 rows. Needle diameter: 0,25 mm. The model MF8 has a width of 20 mm.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!


Model: MS4

MS4 is a special design for scars, acne-scars and burn scars. The special steel has a tensile strength of > 2.200 N

The MS-4 is 10 mm wide, equipped with 96 needles in 4 rows. They have a length of 1,5 mm. Needle diameter: 0,25 mm. According to the applied pressure they penetrate the scar tissue between 0,1 and 1,3 mm.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!

If anyone has any thoughts they'd like to add to this, I'd appreciate it. Especially since I've not actually used the Dermaroller yet; just done a bunch of reading and research on it. I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on what topicals would work best to stimulate collagen reproduction and scar healing.

Thanks!

[wanna.b.smooth]

I've been in contact with a representative in the U.S. from www.dermaroller.de and they will only sell me a roller with a needle length of .15 mm. The next smallest size they have is .5 mm and that is only sold to physicians and estheticians. This has made me even more unsure of what to do now. Why are they unwilling to sell longer ones when others are willing to do it? I have scars on my forehead and temples and .15 mm will not do a thing for me. Since the skin is relatively thin in these areas I thought I could see some improvement with a .75 mm roller. The rep gave me a name of a doctor who performs the procedure with the 1.5 mm. I'm going to give them a call to get it done, but I really wanted this .75 mm one for weekly maintenance.

So what do you guys think? Am I crazy for being worried about the other rollers? I told my wife and she thinks I would be a fool to risk buying one of those other rollers. She thinks that there's an obvious reason why they aren't selling it.

CM77, I just posted some old info from the old dermaroller.de site. It states that their needle lengths are 1.5mm (on some of the models). I'm wondering if the rep you talked to is mixing up needle length with needle diameter?

As for being worried about other rollers, I feel ya! It would be horrible to get a poor quality roller with unregulated needle lengths/diameter and surgical metal composition, and muck up your desired goals! I would go with the companies which have been mentioned on this board so far. But I would really like to hear from the various folks who've gotten their rollers from different avenues and what their experience has been.

[fang]

With all due respect, fang, I understand from your other posts that you love your roller from ClearSkincare and enthusiastically recommend it. But to say that all the other rollers are disposable and the one from ClearSkincare is the only one that is reusable (for a year) is just misinformation, as far as I am able to tell from my research.

From dermaroller.de

It can be used repeatedly for about one hundred times and will last about 2 years.

From dermaroller.com (aka nova)

Q. How long does the dermaroller last.
A. Our skin roller is very high quality so with care of the roller, and with continual use, it will last six months - the needles don't wear out as such as they are medical grade stainless steel, but with continual use they will eventually become

So, for me, it looks like the ones which seem to be popular with the folks on this forum are all reusable, but that ALL models will have to be discarded at some point as with time and use the needles will all get dull. Please correct me with the proper site references if I am wrong.

As for the 1.5mm selection, I am going off Nova's recommedation of 1.5 length for acne scars and the stuff that was posted on Nova's site (http://www.dermaroll...om/medical.html) and the following from their Q&A section:

Q. What about scientific testing?
A. In 2006, Dr. Laaff, a dermato-pathologist, evaluated 20 blinded biopsies from a study performed by Dr. M. Schwarz, a plastic surgeon from Freiburg, into the effects of the Derma Roller on collagen and elastin formation. Biopsies were taken by Dr Schwarz from various parts of the body of 10 patients undergoing elective cosmetic surgery. A first 'control' biopsy was taken adjacent to the site that was needled with the Derma Roller (1.5 mm needle). Six to eight weeks later, another biopsy was taken from the needled skin. New collagen and elastin fibre formation was obvious and quite dramatic. On average, an increase of new fibres of 206% was observed by the pathologist and in one case a 1,000% increase was recorded. In the absence of any signs of overt tissue damage, a new hypothesis for a possible mechanism of action of CIT is proposed. See also Medical Stuff page on this web site

As well as the following information from dermaroller.de's old website, which has a ton more information than the new site (or at least it was more easily available)

DermaRoller™-MODELS

Model: C8 (Homecare Dermaroller)is designed for home-use for the infiltration active substances. It is equipped with 192 stainless steel needles in 8 rows. Their length is only 0,13 + 0,02 mm. The diameter at maximum penetration level is only: 0,07 mm. Roller-width: 20 mm.

The needle-tips are so fine they hardly can be seen with the bare eye, and only penetrate the epidermis and cannot reach the dermis. The infiltration channels are closed in less than one hour after the treatment. The use of the C-8 is not limited, its needles stand several hundred applications. It should be used only and exclusively by the same person.

The treatment is free of pain. Negative side-effects are unknown.

This Dermaroller model is NOT suitable to treat scars and acne scars!


Model: CIT8, also called the MESOROLLER

CIT8 was developed for a less invasive Collagen-Induction-Therapy (CIT).

The model CIT8 can be used on face, neck and décolleté. It is equipped with 192 fine needles from stainless steel in 8 rows. It is 20 mm wide. Its needles penetrate the skin with 0,5 mm and induce body-own collagen in the dermal layers.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!


Model: MF8

MF8 for induction of body's own collagen production. Its needles have a length of 1,5 mm and according to the applied pressure they penetrate the skin from 0,1 to 1,3 mm. The needles induce body own collagen (CIT) in deeper skin layers to strenghten the connective tissue and to minize the typical "orange-skin-apperance". It is equipped with 192 stainless steel needles in 8 rows. Needle diameter: 0,25 mm. The model MF8 has a width of 20 mm.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!


Model: MS4

MS4 is a special design for scars, acne-scars and burn scars. The special steel has a tensile strength of > 2.200 N

The MS-4 is 10 mm wide, equipped with 96 needles in 4 rows. They have a length of 1,5 mm. Needle diameter: 0,25 mm. According to the applied pressure they penetrate the scar tissue between 0,1 and 1,3 mm.

IMPORTANT

Re-sterilization of the Dermaroller in an autoclave (steam or dry) or an ultra-sonic bath is PROHIBITED.

The needles will loose their sharpness and detach from the roller potentially causing an injury!

Do not store the Dermaroller in alcohol or sterilization solutions!

The treatment requires a topical anaesthetization. This model is a disposable, single use device, and only supplied to professionals!

If anyone has any thoughts they'd like to add to this, I'd appreciate it. Especially since I've not actually used the Dermaroller yet; just done a bunch of reading and research on it. I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on what topicals would work best to stimulate collagen reproduction and scar healing.

Thanks!

Hi,
This website is really dodgy, they state in their website that the Nova Clinic head office is in Queensland, Australia however their is no such clinic in Australia!! Queensland or anywhere else?????

Anyway 12 months for the Clearskincare roller is still twice as long as 6 months (Nova dermaroller) for only an extra 20 bucks or so.

[bug]

i just got a dermaroller on ebay from the nova clinic. the package address was from queensland, i think. def. somewhere in australia

[wanna.b.smooth]

i just got a dermaroller on ebay from the nova clinic. the package address was from queensland, i think. def. somewhere in australia

Hey bug, which model did you get? Have you dermarolled before? What is your condition again? Please keep us updated!!

[bug]

i've used the .75 roller on and off for a few months. i think i saw some improvement. it's either that, or the tca crosses i did. i can't give %, but i'll say it's noticeable, especially in my temple area. i have rolling scars, of varying degrees (tons of shallow onez, and a few deep onez scattered here and there). maybe some boxcar too, i can't tell the difference.
but i stopped cuz it left lines all over my face lately (i posted a topic about that, w/ pics included. somewhere in these scar forums). maybe it's time for a new roller.
i used the 1.5 roller about 2 months ago, then followed it up immediately w/ some tca crosses. that's when i noticed some improvement in my templez. but i still got a long way to go...
to be honest, i probably can't give a definitive answer til a couple months from now. but so far, from what i'm seeing, i'm willing to keep going w/ the rolling.
oh ya, i use terproline and vitamin c as topicalz. and once a week, i use retin-a micro. if i breakout, i use glycolic acid til the pimplez are gone. then resume terproline/vitamin c.

[adell]

hey all,
Please give me your advise/opinions....

I am very interested in the idea of the needling techniques, because results ive seen. Plus im afraid of lasers.
I have V. bad scarring, some rolling, some ice picks, some burn scars. my cheeks are a mess, so ANY improvement would be good.
Most of my skin damage was done via bad laser resurfacing where i was badly burned, about 10 yrs ago. Since then ive had isolagen subscions, (some improvement) and many peels.
My acne is settled, now its my scars im haunted by, im dedicated to improvement.
Like everyone, all i want is smooth skin.smoother..anyway.

So ive been to a clinic, and seen a doctor, here in australia, and she reccomended a series of needling treatments in her clinic, with the medical grade roller, that causes more damage, and needs about a weeks recovery, and a roller i have to buy from her and use at home....
Its actually all very expensive.

Now im seeing alot of people on this forum are rolling themselves, i wonder if the salon treatments are worth it??

Also, I have seen the doctor who invented the clearskin roller, and hers seems a good one to buy for home use.
The one that lasts 12 months.

Has anyone seen real results from needling? either professionally or at home??

i know before & after photos are BS. Ive been in a magazine and on tv showing my face trying to fix scars. im well over it all. But not ready to give up.

[adell]

Im living in queensland, Australia, so if any doubts of companies, i can check them out.

[Willow68]

Im living in queensland, Australia, so if any doubts of companies, i can check them out.

I would suggest doing a search on Ebay for a skin roller no less then 1.5 mm if you want to improve scars. Any needles shorter then that won't even pierce the skin, they just aid in product absortion. I have the 1mm and am waiting for my 1.5 mm to arrive. HTH

[yuny]

Hi everyone. I am new to this site but I ve been reading about the dermaroller a lot on this forum. I decided to buy the LEAF & RUSHER roller off Ebay. My total was around 56.00 including shipping (I LIVE IN MIAMI FLORIDA). I did some research on the dermaroller and I was really debating about two of them. The original Dermalroller which come out to 110.00 or the Cosmetic Dermaroller C8 from Oniskai. I read on a forum that this Dr.Chu form the UK buys his dermaroller from Oniskai (THE PROFESSIONAL VERSION). 62.00 but in british pounds which comes out to around 120.00 in US dollars (but this is the Home Version). I decided to buy LEAF & Rusher because it was the least expensive and I didnt want to invest too much money on a product I wasnt sure of. I also purchased this cream called TERPROLINE® that I read is really good on scars. I plan to use the dermaroller with this cream and a Vita C Serum from Mychelle (Perfect C) I am now 30 and for the past 4 years I ve had mild acne for some reason (Hormones?? maybe). I ve tried everything and as for right now the only thing working is the Mychelle products. Check it out whom ever has acne problem.
Any how, I havnt received my dermaroller yet but when I do I ll make sure to post my results. I will copy some websites that I checked out. Hope this helps anyone.

http://www.oniskai.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=78
http://www.vivida.co.za/ ..........This product is about 500.00 for the dermaroller. I think that is crazy!

http://www.dermaroller.de/us/home-care-der...ermaroller.html
This site is for the original dermaroller which cost 110.00 according to the Rep. This is what I received in my email. You can check out this product on youtube.com and just type in dermaroller.

Dear Yuny,

Thank you for your e-mail and sharing information about how you learned of the genuine Dermaroller, owner of the Worldwide patent. Did you read an OLD BLOG on the acne.org message board regarding pricing? The Blog has been on acne.org since 2003. ONE roller was sent to the US in 2003 @ $37.00 to test consumer use and interest. It was NOT sent to test the price. After the first roller from the factory was sent that price was never repeated. I'm not sure if you came across this price blog but thought it was worth mentioning.
Any product that goes through FDA, patent protection, Trademark filing, hand production that takes an hour to assemble, gamma sterilization, research Worldwide, import and custom taxes, marketing and distribution channels increases the cost along the way. Here we are 5 years later. In addition the dollar has dwindled to 1.50 which means for every $1,000 in Euro equals $1,500 in USD.
As you know there are many overpriced cosmetic products that have little value in boosting collagen and that sell for well over $110.00. What we do know even if you only 'dry' needle with the Dermaroller you will see improvement in collagen production. As the body is tricked into thinking it has a minor injury to repair and that is how the body repairs it is with collagen. Regarding 'active' product penetration, without the Dermaroller your skin will only accept .03% which is far less than 1%. Of your product choices this is well worth the money.
The cost of the C-8 transdermal Dermaroller is $110.00 and $5.00 shipping. We will be closed March 4-12. If you'd like to place an order please call today or first thing tomorrow. Again, thank you for your e-mail and interest in the genuine Dermaroller.

Regards,

Marcia Renner
CEO/President
North American Division of Dermaroller
913-832-8884
www.dermaroller.de

http://clearskincare.com.au/index.html
I found this company on ebay. they sell all sizes in the dermaroller but I wasnt too sure about them.

And finally this is where I order the TERPROLINE®
http://www.skinmed.co.uk/

[adell]

There are so many options, price differences, and rollers out there, I am confused about clinic treatments, are they needed?
im leaning towards the clearskin roller.
does anyone have pictures of before and after needling?? the REAL deal photos....???
cheers a-dell.