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[bitchplease]

Guess I won't get that brand then... thanks for the info.

[marti783]

i have fish oil that is also coated. the reason why it's coated is so you don't get "fish burps" throughout the day. they explain the science behind it on the label. this is my first time with fish oil and like i said, i have the ones that are coated so i don't get any fish burps. i don't know how annoying they are so be careful if you buy ones that aren't coated because you may start to hate taking them due to the burps.

as far as how many you sould take, cordain recommended taking 2-4 grams a day. so if it's 500 mg, take 4-8/day. make sure you check what the serving size is. for example, mine says that there is about 2 grams of fish oil per serving. so i was taking one pill thinking i was getting 2 grams until i realized the serving size was 2! (i know i'm an idiot). so i have to take 2 pills to get the 2 grams. just thought i'd mention that! isn't there a health or drug store by you dirtbomb so you don't have to keep ordering everything??

Edited by marti783, 25 February 2010 - 08:51 PM.

[bitchplease]

Haha. There are health stores around but they all pretty much suck. Very limited amount of products to choose from. Like if you're looking for zinc you'll have about ONE brand to choose from. So it's better to get the stuff online. I'm getting the pills from a web shop that's located in my own country so the shipping cost is fixed, it's less than 5 dollars so it doesn't really matter. I hate shopping in actual stores anyway.

I have now found some fish pills that are cheap, only contain gelatin, glycerol and water, and have 1000mg per pill which means I won't have to eat like 6 a day like I would with the 500mg pills I mentioned earlier. I'll order the 1000mg ones today along with the zinc pills. Exciting.

Edited by dirtbomb, 26 February 2010 - 10:21 AM.

[bitchplease]

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whats-the-d...imal-and-paleo/

Just read that piece. Pretty interesting stuff. After reading it though, you still get the general impression Mark's diet is really just a version of the paleo diet that differs slightly from Cordain's (except for the butter which is not paleo at all). I like it. I am myself not scared of saturated fats, although I do think they should be eaten in moderation.

I feel like Mark's side is basically the anti-fruit/pro-saturated fats side, and Cordain's the pro-fruit/pro-lean meats only side. Haha.

I don't think all this has to be so hard though. Foragers eat what's around them. Go to the woods and look what's around you. You see any domesticated pigs? No? Well, then you probably shouldn't have pork, but instead wild boar. You see fresh fruits and honey? Then you can eat it. And so on. Foragers eat whatever is available in the wilds as long as it's not toxic or has any sort of taboo to it. If a hunter-gatherer eats it so can you, because hunter-gatherers are healthy no matter if their diets consist of 80% meat or 80% vegetable foods.
That's basically my way of looking at all these differences the writers have.

Edited by dirtbomb, 26 February 2010 - 03:39 PM.

[Jay326]

So for people on the paleo diet, what's your stance on skincare? Do most of you guys just do the "caveman regimen" and just wash with water?

[chultzy]

can you eat tunafish from the can on paleo?

[chultzy]

I wash my face only at night with cetaphil and cold water. Very gentle splashes of water and pat dry with a towel. Seems to work for me.

[marti783]

as far as different Paleo writers/spokesman, i just go with Cordain. he seems to know what he's talking about, and more importantly, has the data and facts to back him. everything he writes is cited with a scientific study. very cool.

Jay326, I am on the Regimen. I started about a month and a half ago as a "saftey net" in case my diet changes didn't have an impact on my skin. Luckily, the Paleo diet is going really well (knock on wood). it could be the Regimen taking hold though, but personally i think it's the paleo diet. you gotta get on it!

chultzy, i do believe you can eat tuna fish from the can. Cordain has tuna fish listed in the foods you can eat and also in some recipes (tuna salad) and i'm assuming if he had some special instructions for tuna he would have said so.

[bitchplease]

I'm 99% sure I read somwhere that Cordain only "allows" canned tuna if it's soaked and drained first, as the can contains salt. Even if you don't do this but just eat it as it is, it's still so much better than most other foods out there. So if you really want your tuna, go for it, but if you can get fresh tuna instead or soak/drain the canned stuff.

[bitchplease]

Jay326: What exactly is the caveman regimen? Is it not washing at all, or just washing with water? I fucking hate the name of it. Hunter-gatherers, "cavemen", keep themselves clean, and often consider the civilized to be smelly and dirty.
I'm on the Acne.org Regimen anyway so I wash with a face cleanser. If the paleo diet clears me up I will wash with water only as I'm not a fan of chemicals.

Edit: Here it is... this is from the "foods to avoid" list:

- Smoked, dried, and salted fish and meat

- Virtually all canned meats and fish (unless they are unsalted or unless you soak and drain them)

Source: http://altmed.creighton.edu/Paleodiet/Foodlist.html

Edited by dirtbomb, 27 February 2010 - 05:16 AM.

[Jay326]

I think it's not washing your face at all, but since most of us take showers and whatnot it's more just washing your face with water. I tried it for a bit and my face didn't get any worse, so I'll go back to do nothing to my face when I start the diet.

[gMARIAs]

I think it's not washing your face at all, but since most of us take showers and whatnot it's more just washing your face with water. I tried it for a bit and my face didn't get any worse, so I'll go back to do nothing to my face when I start the diet.

Considering most acne causes are internal, the caveman regimen works best for those whose acne is caused by external irritations - like a certain soap. Doing it probably won't harm you, but probably won't help much either unless you also have external irritations in addition to internal issues.

I did this long, long ago sort of. There was a period of around 2-3 months when I just didn't want to BUY product so I basically never washed my face and just let the water in the shower hit it. My skin just ended up looking and feeling worse.

[Jay326]

Yeah, that makes sense. I guess for me it's just a way of seeing what works and what doesn't. If I start this new diet but am also using different things on my skin, taking different supplements, etc, how am I going to know which one of these things is changing my skin? It seems alot easier and smarter to focus on one thing at a time so you know exactly what is effecting your skin.

Edited by Jay326, 27 February 2010 - 10:21 AM.

[marti783]

Yeah, that makes sense. I guess for me it's just a way of seeing what works and what doesn't. If I start this new diet but am also using different things on my skin, taking different supplements, etc, how am I going to know which one of these things is changing my skin? It seems alot easier and smarter to focus on one thing at a time so you know exactly what is effecting your skin.

true, it's always best to do one thing at a time. but honestly, i think all of us are at the point where it truly doesn't matter what we're putting on our skin, we're still going to have acne. we can try all the products in the world and none are going to get us clear. yes, some may make our skin worse, but none are going to get us absolutely clear or make that big of a differnece. that's why we're all on this website. for most of us, our problem is internal. supplements don't do much either if you're still living the modern western lifestyle. before i got on the paleo diet i was taking fish oil and zinc and they didn't do a damn thing. once i got on the paleo diet though, HUGE difference. it was working WITH the paleo diet. you can't eat a western diet and expect to get clear just because you pop a couple of supplements. and trust me, if you do the caveman regimen and take the supplements and the paleo diet all at the same time and you get clear, it's because you changed your diet. none of us would be on this site if washing with just water was the answer or if popping a couple of pills was the answer.

[venam]

Here is my opinion on both issues:

About canned tuna: even though it is technically not paleo I do think you can include it in your diet without a problem. Is a good way to save some money if you are on a budget. In my case, I am a college student living purely off scholarships and although I do get enough money to live decently paleo can get really expensive. I cannot afford wild caught fresh salmon so I buy wild caught canned Alaskan pink salmon. I recommend you stay with wild for fish because most of the current farming techniques are really poor and produce fish loaded with PCBs and other chemicals. I also don't recommend you go with tuna if you are gonna eat it often as it is very high in mercury. Pink salmon (from Alaska) is really low in mercury (not the same can be said about Atlantic salmon). Pink salmon can be easily found canned. Another option is eating fish lower in the food chain. These fishes are low in mercury as they have a shorter life-span and feed lower on the food chain, they include sardines, herrings, etc.

As for the "cave-men" regimen: I was only able to give up BP after 5 or so month of paleo eating. I gave it up at the beginning of January. Right now I only wash my face with some water twice a day. I don't do this for any specific reason or to follow a "water-wash" regimen but simply because I am tired of putting sh%T on my face!Have been doing it for years! Wasted too many hours of my life doing that already, so I stay away from all those products and also save some money. It was really liberating to stop using BP. My face is also no longer oily as it was before, so I can avoid soap.

Be careful about giving up BP though, it will probably cause your acne to get worse since it does reduce acne a bit (at least for me it did). It would be unfortunate you think the diet is making you worse when it reality is that you stopped using BP.

[marti783]

that's what my plan is. i'm going to try to slowly reduce the amount of BP i'm using to where I'm not using any! and when i say slowly, i mean SLOWLY. my goal is by 2011 to completely get off BP and just wash my fash morning and night. i figure if i am on the paleo diet long enough, it really shouldn't matter if i use BP or not.

[marti783]

i'd also like to mention that the website nutritiondata.com is AMAZING. it has so much information about every food you can imagine and talks about things that are particularly important to paleo people (e.g. inflammation and glycemic loads). i strongly suggest everyone take a look because i think it will really help answer alot of your questions about certain foods. however, i was having alot of trouble signing up. it wouldn't load properly. maybe it was just my computer though.

[marti783]

so i guess i'm the only one that's not doing anything this saturday night lol oh well. quick question though. it seems like eliminating grain from my diet is going well so when i go to the bar and start drinking again (moderately) i'm obviously going to avoid beer, but most liquor is distilled from grains so would it have the same effect as drinking a beer? i have a friend who is gluten intolerant so she never drank beer, but from what i can remember i think she drank liquor. i'm not too concerned about the sugar in liquor by the way, i just really want to avoid anything associated with grains. anyone know?

[rock it]

I would like to say to anyone who is new to this thread and reading it for the first time to check out the Paleo Diet and consider joining us! I can honestly say, for the past few months i've researched Acne extensively, and this looks like the most effective, long-term solution there is. i have mild-moderate acne that has been with me for almost 8 years. I am very confident this is something that will finally clear me up for good. We'll be here posting all of our progess (well mostly mine since i'm just starting) and tips along the way! The more the merrier!!

Im new to this forum after reading a few things in here especially in the Nutrition section as i want to avoid drugs before i've tried practically everything else. I was prescribed Roaccutane but was put off by the potential effects and what not. Would you say this diet can help moderate-severe acne? Also is this diet suitable if your are into excercise, fairly extensive such as cardio and weight lifting?

I appreciate any tips and suggestions as i'm new to all of this as i haven't bothered to get really concerned about my acne and do something about it.

[EddieE]

that's very inspiring. i was wondering if you could let us know what types of meals you're eating for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

also, i was wondering about the omega ratio. in your opinion what would be the most important changes to balance the ratio better. i was reading the "dietary cure for acne" and it seems that cooking oil is a big culprit. would you agree?

IMP: the links I am providing will have meals that involve non-paleo ingredients. Most people in paleo eat quite flexibly. This is OK with time, but I don't recommend it at the beginning as it will hinder your progress.

I don't really eat breakfast /lunch that often. After a while in paleo you may notice you won't feel hungry after big dinners. Fat keeps you satisfied longer. BUT you definitely should not do this until you feel it is "right." For me it is very convenient as well since I am a college student, so I only cook once at night. Here was my break-down for yesterday:

• Before dinner: 2 green smoothies with fruits (use berries and fruits to sweeten it)
• Dinner: curry made out of 1 lb of wild canned salmon, 1 can of coconut milk**, onion, peppers, garlic, tomato, curry paste, and other spices. Eaten on top of a green salad.
• After-dinner snack: 1 hass avocado with tomatoe, lime, and 3 local cage-free egs.***

*don't buy farmed fish, buy wild canned if you can't afford fresh. As for meat, I cannot afford grass fed so I buy normal supermarket meat. It has a bad O6:O3 ratio but it doesn't have that much omegas so it is easy to make up for.
** coconut milk is technically a "vegetable oil" with a horrible O3:O6 ratio, but it has so little of it that it is easy to make up for. Olive il has a better ratio but it has so much O6 that is hard to make up for.
***normal eggs have an O6:O3 ratio of 20:1, cage free have 1.5:1

I did not workout yesterday, I would normally eat a bit more if I did. A big mistake people starting paleo make is they don't eat enough because the meals are more filling. Make sure you are getting enough calories!

For a breakfast/lunch/dinner schedule: you can find this type of information online. I recommend you read some old articles in this site:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-...al-eating-plan/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

There are also multiple paleo bloggers that post pretty much every meal they eat:

http://girlgoneprimal.blogspot.com/
http://freetheanimal.com/ (read this http://freetheanimal.com/2009/09/saturated...ase-stroke.html and take with a grain of salt)
you can find more online

You can also find many, many recipes online.

As for the omegas ratio. I have been tracking my food intake to fix this problem and my main issues are olive oil and nuts. Because of this, I have given both up for a while to see what happens. The problem is that I use them both as "filler" calories. As I mentioned before you have to make sure you are eating enough. I guess I am gonna have to start eating more meat now. I also recommend fish oil supplementation, I take 2,400 mg of omega 3 each day.

BTW, the first 3 weeks are not that great. You have to get used to burning fat for fuel.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help with. There are others in the forum that are also paleo, I am sure they will join later on.

EDIT:
(1) It takes time to work, for me it was at 2-3 months mark that I could definitely tell I had made some good improvements.
(2) Be careful with over eating fruits.

Nice diet. But 2 green smoothies?

I love green smoothies 3-4 handful with a bananas and mixed berries. Taste great and I am glad bananas does not cause me problems.

Oh and as for meats, you don't need grass-fed I usually buy all natural chicken breast.
If grass-fed was that great, it would be available here... but I can't find any grass-fed meats.

Edited by EddieE, 27 February 2010 - 10:40 PM.