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[Croca]

Edited by Croca, 17 August 2011 - 12:31 AM.

[koreanboy8]

what i wanted to do was not the differences in their diet to standard western..

they get about 70% calories from carbs.. so it's no low carbs doing it for them.. but the place they get their carbs has more vitamins and minerals than most that standard would get.. and from a chart i read.. more than the recommended daily intake in most of them.. magnesium is a good point.. which i was just researching.. from what i read it's anti inflammatory.. which should be good for skin all the time.. they'd get anti inflammatory omega 3's from the seafood also.. vitamin d from the sun too? i think they are almost clothless from the pics i've seen.. they have darker skin which makes them produce less vit d per sun exposure.. but i think they would still get more than the average industrialized nation..

by the way.. i don't think low carb is a bad way to go... just trying to find what could actually be making the difference for these guys...

^ If you cut out carbs you will never gain wieght and unless ur eating ALOT you will struggle to maintain wieght

where do you get this idea? first.. people definately can gain weight even on low carb.. have you read good calories bad calories? or noticed people not eating carbs and still gaining weight and asking what's going on? low carb doesn't make fat gain impossible.. it just makes it harder.. i used to think the same way as you.. and i told my friend to go low carb and he'll lose weight.. after a month he hadn't lost anything and i was surprized.. it was just another lesson for me that i can get too attached to ideas..

fat has twice as many calories as sugar.. you can eat half as much and get the same calorie density.. i have no trouble keeping weight at around 2000 calories a day.. when on low carb.. 50g carbs, 50g protein.. lots of fat... 150-200g.. i understand each person would be different.. but i can easily get lots of calories from a tub of cream..

[Dee18]

so basically maintain a clean/healthy diet and we should see postive results in our skin??

I really want clear skin but going on a low carb diet idk if thats something i could sacrafice since without enough carbs I wont have enough energy to get throughout the day..and plus im skinny so thats not going to help me either..so do i really need to go on a low carb diet..or just consume carbs that are complex

[Giordanoh]

From what I've learned diet and Acne aren't even related. Acne is caused by a bacteria, and it's in your genetics whethor or not your body can handle this bacteria..

[freeride6772]

From what I've learned diet and Acne aren't even related. Acne is caused by a bacteria, and it's in your genetics whethor or not your body can handle this bacteria..

I would beg to differ 100%. Try a eating nothing but greasy foods, sugary drinks, caffine and . . .well crap for a month. See how your skin gets. (not suggested hahah) Then try a month eating lean meats, green fresh veggies, fresh fruits, and super healthy foods. (suggested) Chances are you will notice a difference.

What you put in your mouth has a lot to do with your acne. There are many members on this site that swear by this method. They could proabably shed more light on this topic.

I think I may give this a try!! It wont hurt. Thanks for posting

Edited by freeride6772, 10 January 2011 - 04:17 PM.

[greentiger87]

From what I've learned diet and Acne aren't even related. Acne is caused by a bacteria, and it's in your genetics whethor or not your body can handle this bacteria..

Keep reading. It's a lot more complicated than that.

[koreanboy8]

so basically maintain a clean/healthy diet and we should see postive results in our skin??

I really want clear skin but going on a low carb diet idk if thats something i could sacrafice since without enough carbs I wont have enough energy to get throughout the day..and plus im skinny so thats not going to help me either..so do i really need to go on a low carb diet..or just consume carbs that are complex

have you read about the kitavans? they eat a very high carb diet.. for some reason people don't read the studies and then jump to major conclusions.. the person who started this post after hearing about kitavans went low carb.. which baffles me completely.. anyway..

kitavans eat sweet potatoes, coconut, and fish.. there's a couple of other vegetables in their.. but it's pretty much it.. 70% (from recollection) comes from carbs.. so doesn't leave much room for fat and protein.. most fat comes from coconut.. mostly saturated fat.. then the rest of the protein comes mainly from fish.. i guess eating like this could clear up your skin.. if you want carbs for the energy you say you need.. unless you love sweet potatoes, coconut and fish.. it might be a hard diet to swallow.. pun intended.. i'd do this diet if i could get access to cheap coconut oil.. a small jar costs like $25 here in australia.. what the hell is that about?

[freeride6772]

Oh i do love my sweet potats!!! hahaha. I think they are hinting at refined carbs and stuff like that. I need to look more into this. Its still a tad confusing to me.

Edited by freeride6772, 10 January 2011 - 04:21 PM.

[greentiger87]

so basically maintain a clean/healthy diet and we should see postive results in our skin??

I really want clear skin but going on a low carb diet idk if thats something i could sacrafice since without enough carbs I wont have enough energy to get throughout the day..and plus im skinny so thats not going to help me either..so do i really need to go on a low carb diet..or just consume carbs that are complex

have you read about the kitavans? they eat a very high carb diet.. for some reason people don't read the studies and then jump to major conclusions.. the person who started this post after hearing about kitavans went low carb.. which baffles me completely.. anyway..

kitavans eat sweet potatoes, coconut, and fish.. there's a couple of other vegetables in their.. but it's pretty much it.. 70% (from recollection) comes from carbs.. so doesn't leave much room for fat and protein.. most fat comes from coconut.. mostly saturated fat.. then the rest of the protein comes mainly from fish.. i guess eating like this could clear up your skin.. if you want carbs for the energy you say you need.. unless you love sweet potatoes, coconut and fish.. it might be a hard diet to swallow.. pun intended.. i'd do this diet if i could get access to cheap coconut oil.. a small jar costs like $25 here in australia.. what the hell is that about?

Is that what he did? His posts were unintelligible to me.

[freeride6772]

Well I just did a bunch of research on good carbs vs bad carbs and the carbs that spike blood sugar levels. . . and. . . I've been eating only good carbs for about 3 months now! poop on that, clearly not the solution to my acne problems Hahahahah.

[Croca]

Edited by Croca, 17 August 2011 - 12:40 AM.

[koreanboy8]

From what I've learned diet and Acne aren't even related. Acne is caused by a bacteria, and it's in your genetics whethor or not your body can handle this bacteria..

Yeh i think everyone slowy figures this out and i agree. I wont mention names but if you look at the people who claim to be clear in their gallery photos they look stick thin. If you eat way under your recommended calorie intake that is the only way to get clear from dieting

i don't think everyone slowly figures this out.. i think some people start to fear it.. i don't know how much of a correlation between diet and acne there is.. but there is SOME correlation.. otherwise kitavans who start eating the SAD diet wouldn't get acne.. when they've never had it before.. sweeping generalizations are nice and all.. but they don't do much for figuring out problems...
oh~ and you just refuted the theory the guy presented by saying getting stick thin is the only way..

Well I just did a bunch of research on good carbs vs bad carbs and the carbs that spike blood sugar levels. . . and. . . I've been eating only good carbs for about 3 months now! poop on that, clearly not the solution to my acne problems Hahahahah.

i think good carbs vs bad carbs is silly.. all carbs raise your insulin.. and protein does also.. i don't think it's the problem.. i don't think the hormone theory is correct.. that's where people are going wrong with diet.. not to mention most people.. what they consider healthy.. seems to fly in the face of real science.. anway..

eating 1 meal a day would be better than changing carbs for insulin regulation.. it would only spike once and then stable after a few hours till your next meal.. (if you have medical problems which wont fit with his.. obviously don't do it) which means longer times of stable insulin.. i'd be looking more at anti inflammatory stuff.. balancing omega 3's(as in not getting so much omega 6's.. VEGETABLE OIL!!!) i don't think lowering insulin lowers dht much.. and if it does.. it wont affect an adult males sebum producing level.. you'd have to go way under the average dht level for that to happen.. which is something i wouldn't recommend to anyone.. but in theory the oil on your face wont matter on a 'kitava' diet.. it'd be about eating things that didn't cause inflammation.. no inflamed skin no acne..

no oil would be nice too but i don't know if diet will affect this.. unless you somehow cut out biotin..

Edited by koreanboy8, 11 January 2011 - 05:50 AM.

[Bellgray]

The article has basically concluded what almost anyone can tell you; that hereditary factors largely determine incidence of acne, but eating a healthy diet and exercising might have some therapeutic value. It's common sense, nicely spelled out with a handy breakdown in how certain foods can affect acne breakout.

[greentiger87]

The article has basically concluded what almost anyone can tell you; that hereditary factors largely determine incidence of acne, but eating a healthy diet and exercising might have some therapeutic value. It's common sense, nicely spelled out with a handy breakdown in how certain foods can affect acne breakout.

That's what you got from it? Here's the discussion of genetic factors:

"Of the 300 Kitavans at greatest risk for acne (aged 15-25 years), not a single case of acne was observed. In a similar Western population, some degree of facial acne would be found in at least 120 subjects.2, 4-6 In Western populations the development of acne has hereditary and environmental components. Familial studies have demonstrated that hereditary factors are important in determining susceptibility to acne,28 whereas twin studies have suggested that although sebum secretion is under genetic control, the development of clinical lesions is modified by environmental factors.29

Clearly, genetic susceptibility to acne cannot be ruled out in the interpretation of our observations. However, it is unlikely that the effective absence of acne in the Kitavan and Aché people resulted entirely from genetic resistance to acne, since other South American Indians10 and Pacific Islanders30 whose ethnic backgrounds are similar to the Aché and Kitavans but who live in more westernized settings maintain considerably higher acne incidence rates than those we report. Consequently, our observations are suggestive that elements common to the Aché and Kitavan environments but not present in Western settings may operate together with genetic factors to prevent acne."

They're trying to suggest that even with a genetic predisposition to acne, which some of the Ache and Kitavan people's undoubtedly have, environmental factors common to each of these groups prevent acne. Furthermore, these elements are not present in Western settings.

[Grind]

Precisely, Non-glucogenic Carbohydrate and

which is what??

i dont eat bread already or wheat etc FFS.

and now you guys want to take rice away from me as well.

how am i meant to survive without rice, its my only carb of the day that gives me any energy in the gym to not completely deplete and collapse

please explain wtf am i meant to eat - but also have energy

[koreanboy8]

Precisely, Non-glucogenic Carbohydrate and

which is what??

i dont eat bread already or wheat etc FFS.

and now you guys want to take rice away from me as well.

how am i meant to survive without rice, its my only carb of the day that gives me any energy in the gym to not completely deplete and collapse

please explain wtf am i meant to eat - but also have energy

sweet potato.. potato.. rice is better than flour and stuff.. but those are better.. nutrients plus energy.. i'd cut out as much omega 6 as possible also.. if you havn't already.. as in don't cook your foods in vegetable oil.. unless it's coconut oil..

[Grind]

Precisely, Non-glucogenic Carbohydrate and

which is what??

i dont eat bread already or wheat etc FFS.

and now you guys want to take rice away from me as well.

how am i meant to survive without rice, its my only carb of the day that gives me any energy in the gym to not completely deplete and collapse

please explain wtf am i meant to eat - but also have energy

sweet potato.. potato.. rice is better than flour and stuff.. but those are better.. nutrients plus energy.. i'd cut out as much omega 6 as possible also.. if you havn't already.. as in don't cook your foods in vegetable oil.. unless it's coconut oil..

thanks my friend


btw has anyone translated that massive article on page 1? because for people like me who 1. do not have the ability to pay attention to reading the whole thing, and 2. who only post from work and do not have time to read it. it would be nice if it was summarized in 1 or 2 easy to read paragraphs. i'm not talking about totally dumb'ing it down, but just an overall summery with bullet points about what they do which we should also be following.

[Croca]

Edited by Croca, 17 August 2011 - 12:39 AM.

[greentiger87]

oh~ and you just refuted the theory the guy presented by saying getting stick thin is the only way..

yeh, no i dont think starving yourself is a cure

Have you heard of fat? Because it's yummy, high in calories, and stabilizes blood sugar.

[koreanboy8]

oh~ and you just refuted the theory the guy presented by saying getting stick thin is the only way..

yeh, no i dont think starving yourself is a cure

you said it fixes the problem.. but.. it's not a cure.. hmm...

grind.. i'm not sure exactly what you mean.. but how's this?

"Diet

Tubers, fruit, fish, and coconut represent the dietary mainstays in Kitava. Dietary habits are virtually uninfluenced by Western foods in most households. The intake of dairy products, alcohol, coffee, and tea was close to nil, and that of oils, margarine, cereals, sugar, and salt was negligible. Estimated carbohydrate intake was high, almost 70% of daily energy, while total fat intake was low (20% of daily energy). Virtually all of the dietary carbohydrate intake was in the form of low–glycemic load tubers, fruits, and vegetables."

that's the most important part.. other info is low rates of heart attack and any other 'diseases of civilization' despite being heavy smokers..

Not a single papule, pustule, or open comedone was observed in the entire population examined (N = 1200)

is there anything specific you wanted to know?