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#121 stefany

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Posted 02 July 2003 - 06:54 AM

That is great Calisia! :D I have received 2 CROSS treatments using 100% TCA. My doctor is performing the treatment every 30 days. Immediately after my treatments, I use Bacitracin Ointment until the scabs fall off. Then I apply Retin-A for the remainder of time. The Retin-A seems to be doing a really good job of inhibiting melanin production. I am pleased with the results so far. I have 4 treatments left.

Keep us informed!

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Posted 02 July 2003 - 04:28 PM

Stefany - what % would you say your scars have improved so far?

Best of luck by the way :D

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Posted 02 July 2003 - 05:12 PM

Maya,

It is hard to put a percentage on my improvement, but I would say around 20%. For my more shallow scars, 30% would be fair to say. It is not a dramatic improvement yet, but I am anxious to see the end result! 8-[

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Posted 05 September 2003 - 02:56 AM

Calisia

I am new on this message board myself. I am anxious about this procedure could you give me your Dr's information Maybe she knows of a Doctor in my area who does this procedure. I am looking for a Doctor in The San Gabriel Valley area in Southern California whom performs this tca cross method procedure. I have ice pick scars also but unfortunately I have more then just ten scars. Thanks for your help and good luck!

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 04:07 PM

After I've read through this forum from the beginning to the end, I've searched and found an ebay listing of TCA 50% solution and purchased it for $34.95 + $2.95 shipping plus $1.50 insurance (on a "buy it now"). It seems ebay also sells 12.5% TCA solution as well. Just wanted to inform everyone. smile.gif

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 04:35 PM

On another note, I really want to warn people to be careful about trying the TCA procedure on yourself. I'm one of those crazy people who have tried scaping skin with razer, picking with niddlenose twizerman, scaping very hard with exfoliating scrub, etc. After YEARS of experimenting on myself, I've realized that the older I get, my skin takes longer to heal and easier to scab with hyperpigmentation.
In fact, I ended up with a number of shallow ice pick scars after doing 40% glycolic peel right after buffing my skin with a harsh exfoliating cloth. I did this procedure about 5 years ago to smooth out some enlarged pores, but I ended up with a bunch of deep indented scabs/scars which did not heal properly over the years (which i'm still hitting myself for). I've visited Boston's very well-known laser resurfacing dr (Jeffrey S Dover), but he and his fellow dr/nurses practically threw me out of the office, recommending that the procedure would be too drastic with minimal potential result on the scars. Disappointed, I've searched for other methods to control acne/scars, and I've come across Retin-A Micro and minocycline combo. So far, I'm extremely happy with the result (and very upset that i did not discover the retin-a micro before), and I've definitely noticed that the Retin-A Micro is working very well and helping to heal my skin much faster than before. So, being crazy again, I've experimented picking on one of my deepest ice pick scar with a niddlenose twizerman again (to remove whatever is preventing my skin to raise to the surrounding level), and applied the retin-A Micro to the area, and I must say that the depression is now almost not as noticeable as before after less than a week. So, as you see, Reading this article does make sense to me on how the TCA procedure may work, cause I've pretty much done the same thing to my skin - causing skin healing activity to the depressed scar, while accelerating the healing process. I don't think I'd be crazy to try 100% TCA, but I think i'll be gutsy enough to try the 50% very carefully (instead of trying the crude twizerman dermabrasion method again). One thing that I am not so sure about is whether to allow the skin to scab or not... since I attribute my original skin scaring issue to the deep scabs that formed... after reading countless articles on skin healing.. Anyhow, I wanted to share my experience to this board-full of wonderful people. Wish you all the greatest of luck!

Again, please don't try what I did to yourself just after reading my post... my experiments to my skin comes with years of experience (ups and downs) along with studying many medical information.

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 05:57 PM

Can someone tell me what is the difference of Retin A mirco and Retin A?

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 09:34 PM

Poreman,

Check out this link:

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/21656.htm

In brief summary, the article states that instead of delivering the drug in one immediate dose as Retin A does, Retin A micro has the medication encapsulated in polymer sponges. These sponges are made of different types of polymer. Some of them are thin and allow for immediate release and others are of incrementally thicker capsules and the heat of your skin sequentially breaks these down over time. This allows for gentler and more even treatment throughout the day or night.

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 10:01 PM

Thanks for the link Anna!

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 11:07 PM

I got the article off this board somewhere. I can't believe you had to pay $19 for it. Aren't the after pictures amazing!

I'm having this procedure done along with my SB treatments. I'm using the 100% acid, it is the best to use. I'm only having it done on a few scars that are deeper than the rest. My other scars that aren't as deep are being treated with the SB only.

I'll post my results when I have some.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 09:38 AM

Thanks Skinny, please do update us with your result! I myself am just not so certain if the 100% TCA would be like dropping atomic bomb on my shallow scars (which can be "almost" not noticeable with very a good concealer - my favorite is http://morgenschick.com "hide N hilight")... I would probably experiment with 50% first, and move up from there for now..

Just so that everyone knows what I've tried in the past - I've tried accutane 10 years ago (absolutely loved the result while i was on it for acne and scars, but scared to be on it again due to potential long term side-effects), smoothbeam laser treatments 4 months ago (suppose to help with acne scars and possibly reduce sebum/oil production, but I didn't see any significant result/changes after 3 sessions spending around $1000 dollars and I think my skin actually got oiler...although i saw minor rejuvenating effect), ortho tri-cycline birth control pills few years ago (helped with acne and oil production, but think I've lost some hair while on it although i'm not 100% sure whether the hairloss is due to something else, such as aging, etc), 70%, 40%, 30% glycolic acid peels (if not done properly, you could end up with shallow "holes" on your skin that takes time to heal), Differin cream (absolutely hated it!!! made my skin feel very sticky and oily - even more than my already oily skin - while I was on it, and my skin broke out horribly), retin-A (this irritated my skin too much.. i was always peeling and scabbed.. plus it wasn't convenient to wait 20-30 minutes to apply the cream after washign my face), doxycycline (works similar to minocycline, which means it's pretty effective against acne), micro dermabrasion (helps a bit, but not so much), manual dermabrasion, ozone light treatments (didn't see much difference), professional facials, and countless other acne & scar revision products you could think of...

So far, the most effective product that completely changed my skin functions and chemistry was the accutane (I didn't even have to wash my face/hair for days and it still didn't get oily, and my nose showed dimples instead of the blackheads that were filling the spaces and even helped smooth out some scars), and if not for health effects I'd be on it forever (I was on it for 6 months)...regardless of the cost and severely chapped lips.
Now the retin-A micro (+ minocycline?) is working somewhat similar to my facial skin what the accutane did, although the result/effect is not as drastic. What I notice is that the skin is much less oily, more fragile (if you try picking on your acne or scratch your skin, if you're not careful you'll end up with wound), and the skin turn-over rate is much more rapid (probably with increased cellular activity to heal faster with less chance for scar to form), and my nose is showing dimples instead of large blackheads!!! Benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, glycolic acid, etc did absolutely noting for my blackheads in my opinion... the only thing they did was help drying them out so that it's easier to pick on em.. which comes right back later.. and in larger size!!! (that is if you pick on them.. but I just couldn't let them coexist with me when noticeable).
Looks like I'm on my way to better skin with the retin-A micro (so far!) I'll be off minocyline soon (since I've heard of some bone-darkening side-effect when used long-term), but I think the retin-A micro alone is really doing something I didn't expect a topical medicine would do, although there WAS some initial breakouts (which is normal). Now I can't feel (not just see) any bumps while I wash my face (for those of you who understand what i'm talking of) and my skin is smoothing out in overall (pitts, pores, etc).
Sorry for writing a book here.. but i got carried away... : )
I hope this message helps someone with their venture/search for pursuing better skin.

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 10:26 AM

I have read that minocycline can stain your permanent teeth even if they are already erupted. Yikes! This is all I would need. Nice choices we have - acne or grey teeth. HMMMM? Really can't decide.

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 07:34 PM

Does anyone have any further results from 100% TCA treatments.

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Posted 09 April 2004 - 12:01 AM

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Does anyone have any further results from 100% TCA treatments.


Check the TCA Cross thread. Not this one.
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Posted 09 April 2004 - 12:36 AM

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Does anyone have any further results from 100% TCA treatments.


This is the main results thread: http://acne.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=5610




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