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[blaxican]

Did yall hear about the new gel that suppose to cure acne with no side effects. It suppose to be tested on volenteers in the summer.

[ajt]

Where can I signup?

[Angelo]

Ha, if ony it were so simple . Well hey, maybe it'll work well enough to replace benzoyl peroxide, but I doubt a gel will ever be the cure for acne.

[Badass912]

I heard about it, it uses bacteria found on people's skin that doesn't have acne. too bad it ain't ready till like 2007 X(

[SickOfSmallPimps]

Get ready, because it won't be cheap. It'll probably be 50-200 dollars for a 1 to 2 ounce supply. Not worth it to me.

[Makaveli]

If it was guaranteed to work for me, and was available right now, I'd pay 50-200 without even blinking

[jc]

Yeah it's definitely not a cure, if a topical. It's repeat business for them, and they'll gauge us for everything! Desperation plays wicked games on our minds.

If BP does the same thing as this gel then... I heard that there were less side effects though.

[SickOfSmallPimps]

"If it was guaranteed to work for me, and was available right now, I'd pay 50-200 without even blinking"

I know a lot of people who would. But I would not, and I am no less deserving of a guaranteed remedy than any other acne sufferer. 50-200 dollars for a 2 ounce supply is not practical. Heck, it's not even sane. It's flat out robbery...it's exploiting the desperation of acne prone human beings!

[SteveInAustin]

Well, honestly some people are too cynical. "Repeat business". Oh the horrors! Look, the way I see it, the researchers who are developing this new topical bacterio-phage are doing excellent, innovative work. Everytime someone comes up with a new tool acne sufferers can use to defeat acne, they deserve a pat on the back.

Oh, but they charge money!!! Yes they do. And if they didn't, you can bet nobody would develop any of these ideas. Nobody *could* develop any of these ideas without money.

Oh, but it's a *conspiracy*!!! No, it's not. Nobody knows what causes acne. This is the best they could come up with. It's better than nothing. So yes, you have to continue buying their product. But I can guarantee you that if someone came up with an actual cure for acne, it would be published in a heartbeat. All scientists everywhere live for the opportunity to publish a paper that essentially one-ups their peers. They all want to make a name for themselves. They aren't sitting there in some back room with corporate executives being told not to mention their cure to anyone. Seriously, that's ludicrous. If they found a cure for acne, they'd be publishing like mad.

The bacteriophage idea is actually pretty close to a cure, by the way. If the virus can remain alive either in your body or on the surface of your skin, then one application may be all that you need for a long period of time, maybe even all your life.

So I really think this new idea is a great addition to our tools. I don't know if it will be totally effective once the product comes out. I have my doubts. But it has potential. And it's a class of drugs that has never before been used to fight acne. So this is very innovative.

Steve
Austin, Texas USA

[Makaveli]

Anyone have a link or news story to this?

[Yakushi]

Anyone have a link or news story to this?

look in the "Acne research" forum

[grayson]

"If it was guaranteed to work for me, and was available right now, I'd pay 50-200 without even blinking"

I know a lot of people who would. But I would not, and I am no less deserving of a guaranteed remedy than any other acne sufferer. 50-200 dollars for a 2 ounce supply is not practical. Heck, it's not even sane. It's flat out robbery...it's exploiting the desperation of acne prone human beings!

I'm inclined to agree with you, but I reserve final judgement until I find out how much it costs to make

If it's anything like the rest of the pharmaceutical industry, it will have 500% mark-up! But you never know??

[SickOfSmallPimps]

Well, honestly some people are too cynical. "Repeat business". Oh the horrors!

Make a product that eliminates the problem or make products that make people think they do, or are exorbitantly expensive for a very limited quantity. If you think I'm being cynical for finding deviousness in that then you must be a business major.

[acne_suks]

gr...i'd pay too

by the time you're done with all the bs regimes + OTC products + derms + prescriptions...etc it'll prob be the same =o

[Locnar]

Well, honestly some people are too cynical. "Repeat business". Oh the horrors!

Make a product that eliminates the problem or make products that make people think they do, or are exorbitantly expensive for a very limited quantity. If you think I'm being cynical for finding deviousness in that then you must be a business major.

It's a free market. If YOU don't like the product, don't buy the product.

This conspiracy stuff is just tiresome.

[SteveInAustin]

Well, honestly some people are too cynical. "Repeat business". Oh the horrors!

Make a product that eliminates the problem or make products that make people think they do, or are exorbitantly expensive for a very limited quantity. If you think I'm being cynical for finding deviousness in that then you must be a business major.

So it sounds like your problem isn't so much with the fact that the products don't actually cure acne. It sounds like your main problem is with the price of the products. Is that right? What products do you think are over priced, and what price would you set for them? You know that there are lots of acne products on the market. Lots of competition. Not all that much money there. So if a company comes out with a genuinely new type of product, I presume that company has spent millions of dollars in research and development for it. Do you see that side of the equation? There may be a reason why a product costs so much. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't necessarily mean that the company is being overly greedy and evil.

Steve
Austin, Texas USA

[SickOfSmallPimps]

"It's a free market. If YOU don't like the product, don't buy the product. This conspiracy stuff is just tiresome."

I want what works, and I shouldn't be deprived of what works because of how fat my wallet is or is not. No one is crying conspiracy, and I certainly am not. Selling treatments and not cures is an old-as-hell business fact, and it makes sense. It's wrong IMHO, but it does make sense from the capitalistic POV. Money spent on D&R having to be made up in sales doesn't mean you have to sell 2 ounces for $50. Give me a break.

[homerfan33]

Sorry, I have to side with Locnar and SteveInAustin on this one.

"Explotation! Conspiracy! Greed!"

Those utterances are the hallmarks of socialism.

SickofSmallPimps, what do you think would be a fair price for a cure for acne?

[SteveInAustin]

Sorry, I have to side with Locnar and SteveInAustin on this one.

"Explotation!  Conspiracy!  Greed!"

Those utterances are the hallmarks of socialism.

SickofSmallPimps, what do you think would be a fair price for a cure for acne?

He's not even saying he wants to set a price for a "cure" for acne. He's saying that basically, all existing acne treatments should be given away for free. He made it clear that it shouldn't matter how much money a person has, that they should be able to have the treatment. The only way that can happen is if the medications were given away for free. That wouldn't work of course. So instead we as a society here in the U.S. would have to embrace free health care and medication for everyone. But "free" is never really free. We would need to find the money to pay for that stuff somewhere. From taxes, most likely. The net effect would mean that you're probably going to be paying a whole lot more money for your medications, because then you don't just have to support yourself. Then you'd have to support everyone else with far greater needs for various medications.

Personally, I don't think society owes me anything just because I have acne. And if I was born with some genetic heart defect and needed to have expensive surgery, I wouldn't be saying that my problem is society's problem. Life isn't fair. My problems are mine. It sucks that others don't have problems like me, but life isn't fair. And hey, I'm sure glad I don't have some really serious condition like having cancer or AIDS or something.

That being said, I think companies shouldn't be so greedy and price drugs for 10 times their cost to make them, including R&D and marketing expenses. But I wouldn't say they're doing that right now either. We don't know how much it costs for them to make these drugs. Until then, we can't say. But greed, by the way, will invite competition, which will eventually drive the prices down to near-cost. That's how capitalism works. The best way to prevent competition is to sell a product so cheap that your competitors never even enter the market.

Steve
Austin, Texas USA

[thenewshmoo]

i think it would be a cure... if i remember correctly it is a gel containing microphages which when applied to the skin actually consume and "eat" the acne bacteria, preventing the development of inflammed spots and lesions etc etc

acne`s days are numbered people!!