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#41 Bulgarian R.

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE (drewboy @ Jan 19 2009, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Bulgarian Doctor,
As a long time member of this board, I want to thankyou for all of your positive and insightful posts. Question for you being the intelligent man that you are eusa_clap.gif

I read online about a lady who had severe damage to her windpipe form smoking, eating unhealthy, just living a rudimentary lifestyle. Doctors gathered stem cells from her bone marrow and were able to re-create a brand new windpipe, basically a new organ in itself. They surgically removed the old windpipe and inserted the new one and she was good to go. No pills to make sure her body accepts the donor, no trouble walking up stairs, shes able to walk long distances without getting winded ect.

I hear about how we will be able to grow hearts, lungs, kidneys, livers with the aid of stem cells. Do you think with all this exciting new technology, we will be able to extend life ten fold? When you have a bad heart, replace it. When you have liver disease, replace it. As with any of these organs, skins no different, its an organ as well, replace the damaged parts such as wrinkles, scars etc.

My question to you is, in say 10 years time, do you think we will have found the fountain of youth?


Hey Drewboy,

Thanks for the nice words.

I remember the case about the lady having her windpipe replaced with one grown from stem cells. I believe the procedure was done in Spain, where a team of doctors decided to use an extracellular matrix as a scaffold material for cultured stem cells. These cells basically grew into the ECM, taking cues from a variety of imbedded signal pathways present within the material that helped guide their differentiation and collectively shape their organization into the target organ. Prior to this they likely cultured the cells with specific growth factors in order to essentially stimulate them to function like the cells present in windpipe tissue.

It's a multistep process that while innovative still doesn't allow us to grow a complex organ such as a liver, kidney, heart, etc... However I am a certain that within 10 years we will be able to grow complex tissue types utilizing stem cells, genetic engineering and a myriad of technologies that are just starting to grow from the fertile soil of the regenerative medicine field. In perhaps another 20 years we may very well be able to replace our organs with decent copies of the original. 30 years from now these copies may be just as good as what we were born with and a half century in the future they may even be better than what mother nature gave us in the first place. But hey, I have no doubt that it could happen much faster than this.

I feel that the most promising technology of the future will be based on efficient and exceptionally advanced genetic engineering know-how. I fully believe that we will decode the mechanisms that allow animals such as salamanders to regenerate complex tissues/organs and utilize this knowledge to stimulate our own genes to direct our cells in a similar fashion. It's a well know fact that our genetic code contains all the information necessary for regeneration. After all, we were all once foetuses that grew from one totipotent cell into a fully functional multicellular human in a few months time. On top of this, foetal experiments have shown us that if you say cut a finger of a first trimester foetus, it will grow back without a scar. The question many researchers are asking themselves is how do we trick our genes into "powering up" this innate regenerative program within our adult bodies.

"Lost an arm? Grow one back! You have a bad liver? Go to your local genetic treatment clinic and get them to program your body to regenerate it in 3 weeks flat!"

I don't know the future year when this conversation is played out, but it's going to happen... And yes, I do think that we will be able to extend our lifespans to the point where death may become optional. Some researchers think we're near understanding the mechanisms that control aging, and others feel it's quite a ways away. Check out the World Transhumanist Association which aims at fostering the technological development that brings about immortality. Many distinguished scientists are WTA members so it's not as wacky as some might imagine upon initial reflection.

All in all, I think the regenerative medicine biotech sector is about to takeoff much like the personal computer industry took off in the 1980s. From here on in, the leaps and bounds of progressive development will come faster and faster.

All the best,

BRD


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QUOTE (Bulgarian R. Dermatologist @ Jan 18 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The hypotrophic scar does not have to be removed. The stem cells are injected beneath the depression where they initiate a complex chain reaction that involves anything from differentiation to GF/IL production that contributes to better collagen production, angiogenesis and even some fibrotic tissue remodelling.


This sounds like it would help hairloss sufferers too. Are you aware of any clinics that use stem cells for treating hairloss?


I know there are research teams looking to use stem cells to stimulate normal hair growth. I don't know how far along they've come as this is not my area of specialization, but I'll look into this and get back to you.

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 09:18 PM

I guess I would still like to get some hard evidence of this. Links to studies or actual practitioners. I want accessibility!

That's what's annoying about the medical community, it's so hard to get/find the services even if you have the money.

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 10:34 PM

what i dont get is why non of these reports are ever on the news. if regenerative medicine could be the holy grail then why isnt it talked about more? this should be the new breakthough of are lifetime and i wish people would realize this.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 01:36 PM

so if this is a like a filler does that mean it only works on scars that 'dissapear' when the surrounding skin is stretched. What about ice pick scars ... would it work on those, and what about large pores ?

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE (v_singh @ Jan 21 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so if this is a like a filler does that mean it only works on scars that 'dissapear' when the surrounding skin is stretched. What about ice pick scars ... would it work on those, and what about large pores ?


This isn't like a filler. Where did you get that idea?

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 04:25 PM

Very interesting...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/stellam...the-future.html

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (zupelman @ Jan 22 2009, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


It is an intersting article, although it is inaccurate in some important respects.

The article needs to be corrected with regard to statements about whether stem cells reside in the area of injection, and whether they can be properly isolated... To make it clear to everyone here, stem cells do indeed take up residence in the area of injection and they do indeed rebuild tissue through differentiation, factor secretion and fibroblast stimulation. Perhaps Mr. Pincelli and the journalist, that I dare say didn't do her homework, should read some of the following information.

Here's a peer reviewed study on adipose derived mesenchymal stem cells (ADSC) injections:
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pi...923181108002533

Here's a peer reviewed study on dermal injections of bone marrow derived mesenchymal stem cells:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/h78224j6k37j55x6/
http://www.curehunter.com/public/pubmed17269443.do

Here's some info from the Seishin Regenerative Medicine Centre in Japan, where they use the Celution technology to (a) extract stem cells and (b) reinject them into the dermis in order to rebuild dermal deficits such as wrinkles.
http://www.saisei-iryou.com/english/cellantiaging/

Stem cell isolation (from adipose tissue and/or bone marrow) information:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...433337adfabc695
http://circres.ahajournals.org/cgi/content...ract/100/9/1249
http://www.springerlink.com/content/pg47k78581034778/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16761717

Here's some more material that discusses adult stem cells and their ability to regenerate tissues:
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/bio/documents/P...ials%202006.pdf
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/...80825092341.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/...50804123045.htm

Anyone here can also do some personal research into stem cell injections for heart disease, especially in relation to patients who have significant scar tissue present in their heart muscle... Some of these studies discuss the tissue remodelling capabilities of mesenchymal and hematopoetic stem cells, which are thought to have contributed to better heart function after the said treatments. The list of studies is nearly endless, so there is plenty of information for people to educate themselves rather than rely on the inaccurate information relayed by journalists trying to make a name for themselves.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 06:34 PM

from what it seems like is that we have the technology to do this right now but we arent doing any yet. there isnt any things going on right now which is annoying

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (deadliest catch @ Jan 21 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
from what it seems like is that we have the technology to do this right now but we arent doing any yet.


You mean, nothing is being done on this side of the planet, while the other side is moving ahead and embracing new technologies and ideas.

It's not like you're restricted to these treatments though. You just need to purchase a plane ticket, make sure you have enough money for the treatments, and fly over there (to Russia, East Asia, Eastern Europe, or wherever else these clinics are).

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (jksl @ Jan 21 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (deadliest catch @ Jan 21 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
from what it seems like is that we have the technology to do this right now but we arent doing any yet.


You mean, nothing is being done on this side of the planet, while the other side is moving ahead and embracing new technologies and ideas.

It's not like you're restricted to these treatments though. You just need to purchase a plane ticket, make sure you have enough money for the treatments, and fly over there (to Russia, East Asia, Eastern Europe, or wherever else these clinics are).


sounds like a good idea. but why in hell are these amazing break thoughs in russia, east asia and no one is reported it on the news.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:20 PM

Well it looks like Obama may be trying to reverse the ban of government funding on stem cell research. Hopefully, we will see big strides in this area in the states.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (deadliest catch @ Jan 21 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why in hell are these amazing break thoughs in russia, east asia and no one is reported it on the news.


Not sure exactly what you're asking here. On the news where? Here? Why should this be on the news here when there are no clinics offering this form of therapy in North America? Tell me, what would be the point?

Europeans and East Asians were using low level laser light therapy to treat hair loss for many years now and the only time this hit the news in North America was when this form of therapy finally arrived here.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (jksl @ Jan 21 2009, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (deadliest catch @ Jan 21 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why in hell are these amazing break thoughs in russia, east asia and no one is reported it on the news.


Not sure exactly what you're asking here. On the news where? Here? Why should this be on the news here when there are no clinics offering this form of therapy in North America? Tell me, what would be the point?

Europeans and East Asians were using low level laser light therapy to treat hair loss for many years now and the only time this hit the news in North America was when this form of therapy finally arrived here.


maybe your right, makes sense

i really wonder how big a effect stem cells when it hits. i mean people now just think its a social issue about embroyic stem cells and religion, but i really dont think people understand that its regenerative medicine. i dont really think if people know about regenerative medicine.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:46 PM

The results look great!

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 02:33 PM

although the pictures are impressive, there is still evidence of scarring.

i am confused...are scientists predicting that stem cells can IMPROVE skin or totally RESTORE it - like to the way it was when we were children?!?!




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Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE (longingforhope @ Jan 22 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
although the pictures are impressive, there is still evidence of scarring.

i am confused...are scientists predicting that stem cells can IMPROVE skin or totally RESTORE it - like to the way it was when we were children?!?!


yea i would like to know that aswell lol ... i hope this is not another treatment taht just improves the APPEARANCE but instead actually reverses the damage ... this is what i am confused about with stem cells

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (longingforhope @ Jan 22 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
although the pictures are impressive, there is still evidence of scarring.

i am confused...are scientists predicting that stem cells can IMPROVE skin or totally RESTORE it - like to the way it was when we were children?!?!


two of the pictures show complete restored skin, theres only one that shows little evidence of scarring. but look at the guys temples they seem to be completing restored.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:09 PM

if you got rid of the second picture you would think this would show complete healing powers. but the worst scaring was in the second photo so i think he needs to do it again to heal the rest. plus i dont think there was enough stem cells to cover such a large area on his face which made him not heal completely.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:16 PM

^ guys where can i find the pictures which you are talking about ?
Thanks !

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

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^ guys where can i find the pictures which you are talking about ?
Thanks !


lol lets see how long it takes for this dude to figure it out

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