Jump to content

The Bigger Picture, as I see it.


111 replies to this topic

#1 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 03 January 2008 - 12:08 AM

Western Diet

*High in Sugars - Fructose and refined carbohydrates cause:
- insulin resistance
- - elevated insulin in circulation
- - - increased androgens and IGF-1
- - - - both associated with acne

- Insulin spikes
- - increased androgens and IGF-1
- - - both associated with acne

- inflammation
- - increased interleukin-6
- - - increased keratinocytes

- Low Stomach Acid
- - poor break down of proteins
- - - food allergies
- - - systemic inflammation
- - - poor nutrient absorption.
- - increase in bad bacteria and yeasts like Candida
- - - intestinal inflammation
- - - poor nutrient break down and absorption
- - - - poorer wound healing
- - - poor gut mobility and function
- - - leaky gut syndrome
- - - - food allergies
- - - - systemic inflammation
- - Poor absorption of minerals

*Low in Fiber Causes:
- Constipation
- - Poor Bowel Elimination
- - - Hormones are re-absorbed if they are not eliminated.

*Too much salt, Too much sugar causes:
- Water retention - Body attempts to dilute them by holding onto more water.
- - the body bulls water out of bowels
- - - Constipation
- - - - Poor Bowel Elimination
- - - - - Hormones are re-absorbed if they are not eliminated.

*Wheat causes:
- contains opioids
- - slow intestinal motility
- - - hormone re-absorption

- contains gluten
- - damages intestinal lining by binding to villi
- - - intestinal inflammation
- - - - leaky gut syndrome
- - - reduced nutrient absorption

- common allergen
- - systemic inflammation


Solution: Reduce/eliminate sugars and refined carbohydrates and excess salt. Supplement stomach acid, ie Betaine HCL (short term only, for testing purposes only - not more than a few days). Include foods in diet that stimulate digestion: Mustard, salt, meat, radishes, carbonated/mineral water, Vinegar, etc. Diet primarily of meat/fish and high fiber vegetables, and low sugar fruits. Avoid common allergens: Dairy, Wheat, Nuts, Citrus, Eggs, Shellfish, Soy. Also avoid anything else known to cause a reaction on an individual basis. Drink plenty of water.


Suggested Supplements:

Taurine - inflammation depletes taurine. Taurine is anti-oxidant, anti-inflammatory, detoxifier, promotes healing, in high doses can reverse fructose induced insulin resistance. Sulfur-based amino acid, major component of bile acid, important for digestion.

Betaine HCL - Use to test for low stomach acid. HCl shouldn't be taken as a long term supplement, as taking an acid supplement long term trains your stomach to not produce it's own acid. The result of long term HCl supplementation is an acid supplement dependency, where if you miss taking your supplement, you will suffer the symptoms of hypochlorhydria. In other words, you'll have horrible indigestion. This isn't permanent, and your own stomach acid production will return within a few days after long term HCl supplementation is discontinued, but it will be a very uncomfortable few days. Testing your stomach acid levels shouldn't take more than a few days at most, many times only taking it over a few meals will suffice.
Don't use stomach acid supplements if you have chronic stomach pain, as this could indicate an ulcer. See your doctor. Frequently, ulcers are associated with the bacteria H. Pylori, which do better when the stomach has low acidity, but you need to fix the ulcer before supplementing/stimulating stomach acid, or you could make the ulcer worse.
---Important---:
* No more than 10 grains (650 mg) of Betaine HCl should be taken without recommendation of a nutritionally oriented physician.
* All people with a history of ulcers, gastritis, or gastrointestinal symptoms -particularly heartburn - should see a nutritionally oriented doctor before taking Betaine HCl.
* People using non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), cortisone-like drugs, or other medications that might cause a peptic ulcer should not take Betaine HCl.
* Young children, pregnant or nursing women, or those with severe liver or kidney disease should avoid the nutrient, as safety for them has not been conclusively established.
* Again, HCl should not be taken on a long term basis. It's only purpose is to determine if your own natural stomach acid production is low. If you find through testing with HCl that it is, discontinue the HCl supplement, and add digestion-enhancing foods to your diet such as salt, spicy foods, and protein.

Cayenne Powder (at most 40,000HU, 3 times a day, one per meal, if you experience heart burn, reduce the amount) - Stimulates stomach acid production so foods and nutrients are better broken down and absorbed, and food allergies are avoided/reduced/eliminated. Higher digestive system pH provides ideal environment for healthy bacteria, and eliminates environment needed by unhealthy bacteria and Candida. Don't take more than one 40,000HU capsule at a time.

ProBiotics - to return good intestinal bacteria to healthy levels.

B-complex - sugar, stress, and inflammation deplete b vitamins, which are important for skin health, as well as improves digestion.

Multi-mineral supplement - Fructose chelates minerals and carries them out of the body. Low stomach acid prevents mineral/nutrient absorption. Minerals have many important functions such as wound healing, sugar metabolism, hormone balancing, etc.

Fiber - Psyllium husks, to keep things moving and prevent hormone re-absorption. Must not be taken within 2 hours of other supplements.

Water - The body needs water to clear toxins, reduce inflammation, and complete metabolic processes.


So there it is so far! I'll be updating it as I piece things together more. smile.gif

Edited by LiliVG, 22 January 2010 - 06:01 PM.


#2 Mr. Bigger

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,227
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Not where I want to be..
  • Joined: 02-May 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 12:27 AM

You are hands down the Nutrition and Holistic health Poster Of The Year LiliVG!

eusa_clap.gif

#3 bɭesstheʄẚɭɭ

    LUEser

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,192
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia Tech, VA ~ Dallas-Fort Worth, TX.
  • Interests:Mountain biking, planting, homeopathy, astronomy, nutrition/dietetics, watching scrubs.
  • Joined: 03-July 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:19 AM

tinydan.gif likes.

#4 sgxyo3man

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 350
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bay Area, Ca
  • Joined: 21-August 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:43 AM

How is your face doing so far?

#5 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE(won won @ Jan 2 2008, 11:43 PM) View Post
How is your face doing so far?


Adding the Betaine HCL to my supplements has made a huge difference! I ate at Taco Bell 3 days in a row (we're moving and were on the road for two whole days and living out of motels), and nothing happened! That's unprecedented for me! It really confirms for me the role of stomach acid in acne. smile.gif So far, it seems like the stomach acid is my buffer between bad food and bad skin, As long long as I take it with each meal, I'll be safe, lol
Don't get me wrong, I definitely feel the whole food diet is the way to go, just this way I don't have to be as rigidly meticulous about every possible food sensitivity.

#6 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:36 AM

QUOTE(Mr. Bigger @ Jan 2 2008, 10:27 PM) View Post
You are hands down the Nutrition and Holistic health Poster Of The Year LiliVG!

eusa_clap.gif


Thank you! But then again there are only two days in this year so far, lol

#7 sgxyo3man

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 350
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bay Area, Ca
  • Joined: 21-August 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:52 AM

Yeah, interesting find with the HCL. I'm sure it plays a role for me too. I had two Rockstars on New Years as I loaded on the junk food. I've gotten 2 new spots in the past week. I've been eating like crap!!! Nothing in comparison since when I started following your advice. Thanks.

#8 Jen121

    Jen121

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,962
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 28-February 06

Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE(LiliVG @ Jan 3 2008, 05:27 AM) View Post
QUOTE(won won @ Jan 2 2008, 11:43 PM) View Post
How is your face doing so far?


Adding the Betaine HCL to my supplements has made a huge difference! I ate at Taco Bell 3 days in a row (we're moving and were on the road for two whole days and living out of motels), and nothing happened! That's unprecedented for me! It really confirms for me the role of stomach acid in acne. smile.gif So far, it seems like the stomach acid is my buffer between bad food and bad skin, As long long as I take it with each meal, I'll be safe, lol
Don't get me wrong, I definitely feel the whole food diet is the way to go, just this way I don't have to be as rigidly meticulous about every possible food sensitivity.


How do you take the HCL supplements? Before each meal? Is it expensive?

What's the difference between the HCL supplements and a probiotic?

#9 Demorph

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 119
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany
  • Joined: 03-October 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:29 PM

the betaine HCL thing sounds really interesting.
i read it has almost no side effects if not overdosed and its pretty cheap.

i found out that the less calories (carbs i suppose) i eat, the better my skin gets. so i was wondering if this stuff could do any good for me if i wanted to maintain a higher calorie/carb intake?


LiliVG, you mentioned something similar, didn't you?

#10 superMachi

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 291
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 09-July 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:42 PM

This thread officially puts me back on the acne defeating diet wagon.

Well done, poster of the year so far.

#11 alternativista

    Senior Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 8,180
    Likes: 188
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Houston, TX
  • Joined: 13-February 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:44 PM

That is a good summary. You might add that fiber is a prebiotic to aid in maintaining flora in intestines. And a place to list various anti-inflammatories like fish oil, spices, vitamins, sulfur and foods that contain those things, anti-oxidents.

I also think that zinc should specifically be mentioned under the mineral supplements since it helps with hormones, immunity and I think sugars as well.

Oh, and I think it should say diet of meat/fish and ...

Then I think it would be pretty darn complete.

#12 Glass Danse

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,064
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York City, Pittsburgh
  • Interests:Football, rugby, health, music, reading.
  • Joined: 13-December 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:48 PM

Get your antioxidants... vitamin A/C/E. antioxidants are helpful, dont forget about them

#13 acne_battle

    this is Ollie, my parents cat which I took a pic of on my b day

  • Banned
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 14,206
    Likes: 1
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:a MAC counter near you :D
  • Joined: 28-January 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 02:55 PM

Where can I buy this Betain HCL to take with meals that contain dairy? Can it be taken if I am on spironolactone and my antidepressants?

#14 DeGenisis

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 49
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 06-December 07

Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:43 PM

Awesome post everything is well thought out. I agree with a previous posters that probiotics would be helpful to add. I know that constipation can cause acne, because if I don't go for a few days i'll break out. And the whole cause of constipation for me was too much antibiotics, because they killed all the good bacteria. When I took probiotics I guess it restored the normal balance because it helped keep me regular, reducing acne.

#15 DeAntonio

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 889
    Likes: 2
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Joined: 14-November 06

Posted 03 January 2008 - 10:13 PM

I was taking PH Fiber with meals..... but should I take Fiber Morning/Evening and just take the HCL with meals or HCL + Fiber with meals ???



quick question though


I know HCL is naturally occuring in the stomach.... is that the only type of acid in the stomach or are their other kinds as well?

might be a stupid question but Im interested in the answer to this


I suspect that im Histadelic.... Histadelics usually have success when they supplement with H2 Antagonists which lower acid producing cells in the lining of the stomach, but the thread that I read says that you can also use HCL to break down red meats are proteins along with the Zantac, which is why Im lead to believe that HCL is not the excess acid that causes problems and there are others in the stomach causing the problems


#16 Demorph

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 119
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany
  • Joined: 03-October 07

Posted 04 January 2008 - 05:44 AM

don't take too much PH. 3 tablespoons a day make me almost constipated even though i drink 1,5-2 litres of water.

#17 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:25 PM

Thanks for all the suggestion, those are all great, I',m definitely going to add those smile.gif I didn't have a lot of time to create the original post when I made it (I'm in the middle of a move between Oregon and California, so we've been super busy), so the posts I have made have been through my Blackberry...lol So sorry I haven't been replying as quickly as usual!

This could get confusing because stomach acid is measured in pH, and Psyllium Husks tend to be abbreviated as PH, lol

I don't think there should be a problem taking a stomach acid supplement with other medications because all oral medications interact with stomach acid anyway. Betaine HCL is very inexpensive, I got mine at the health food store, I don't think it's hard to get. But it's sold online too if you have a hard time locating it.

#18 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE(DeAntonio @ Jan 3 2008, 08:13 PM) View Post
I was taking PH Fiber with meals..... but should I take Fiber Morning/Evening and just take the HCL with meals or HCL + Fiber with meals ???



quick question though


I know HCL is naturally occuring in the stomach.... is that the only type of acid in the stomach or are their other kinds as well?

might be a stupid question but Im interested in the answer to this


I suspect that im Histadelic.... Histadelics usually have success when they supplement with H2 Antagonists which lower acid producing cells in the lining of the stomach, but the thread that I read says that you can also use HCL to break down red meats are proteins along with the Zantac, which is why Im lead to believe that HCL is not the excess acid that causes problems and there are others in the stomach causing the problems



Zantac inhibits Histamine, and the lowering of the production of stomach acid is actually just a side effect of the lowered histamine. The fact that the promoters of the Zantac-acne connection suggest taking HCL tells me that it's not the stomach acid lowering effect that helps acne, it's the histamine lowering effect. It's well known that low stomach acid can cause acne. Also, many drugs on the market have unintended and poorly understood side effects, and so it's also a possibility that Zantac is having some other unknown effect which is affecting acne as well.


#19 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE(Jen121 @ Jan 3 2008, 05:55 AM) View Post
QUOTE(LiliVG @ Jan 3 2008, 05:27 AM) View Post
QUOTE(won won @ Jan 2 2008, 11:43 PM) View Post
How is your face doing so far?


Adding the Betaine HCL to my supplements has made a huge difference! I ate at Taco Bell 3 days in a row (we're moving and were on the road for two whole days and living out of motels), and nothing happened! That's unprecedented for me! It really confirms for me the role of stomach acid in acne. smile.gif So far, it seems like the stomach acid is my buffer between bad food and bad skin, As long long as I take it with each meal, I'll be safe, lol
Don't get me wrong, I definitely feel the whole food diet is the way to go, just this way I don't have to be as rigidly meticulous about every possible food sensitivity.


How do you take the HCL supplements? Before each meal? Is it expensive?

What's the difference between the HCL supplements and a probiotic?


Betaine HCL is a stomach acid supplement (HCL stands for HydroChloride - Hydrochloric acid is what stomach acid is made of) It's very inexpensive, and I've found it's easy to get. It usually comes in capsules.

Probiotics are supplements of bacteria that should be in the digestive system to support healthy digestion and a healthy gastrointestinal tract.

The two are connected though. When stomach acid is low, unhealthy bacteria tend to fair better, as well as yeasts like Candida. Taking a stomach acid supplement provides the probiotics you're taking with the environment they need to do well. In addition, it removes the environment that Candida and unhealthy bacteria need to thrive. So definitely take both.

I usually take my HCL at the end of each meal. You'll need to do a stomach acid test first to see how much you need to take, which just involves taking the lowest dose possible initially and seeing if it gives you heart burn. You then successively increase the dose at each meal until it does give you heart burn. Heart burn means there's too much acid, so then you'd take the next lowest dose that didn't give you heart burn, and take that amount at each meal. You may find variations in what that level is depending on the content of the meal. Protein triggers stomach acid production, and carbohydrates lower it. Milk also neutralizes stomach acid. Never open the capsule, you can burn your mouth and throat. make sure you follow the supplement with plenty of water to make sure it doesn't get stuck in your throat.


#20 LiliVG

    Veteran Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 1,875
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:United States
  • Joined: 28-September 06

Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:13 PM

QUOTE(Demorph @ Jan 3 2008, 11:29 AM) View Post
the betaine HCL thing sounds really interesting.
i read it has almost no side effects if not overdosed and its pretty cheap.

i found out that the less calories (carbs i suppose) i eat, the better my skin gets. so i was wondering if this stuff could do any good for me if i wanted to maintain a higher calorie/carb intake?


LiliVG, you mentioned something similar, didn't you?


The theory on why that works has to do with glycation from sugars in the diet. When sugars are burned, they (to put it very simply) turn into caramel in your body. How much of this substance that is between the cells is a good indicator of how much an animal has aged. I believe LivesInABox found a very interesting study about how Fructose produces 7 times as much of this substance as glucose.

The only way to reduce this glycation process is to not consume the calories in the first place. Any sugars that enter your system will be burned and glycation will occur. Higher stomach acid will not prevent this from happening.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

Jump to... Go to top
Hello, Guest.
It looks like you didn't set up an avatar.
Do you want to set up an avatar now?
Let's do it!
refresh page when finished
     Remind me in a few days