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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:04 PM

First of all, if you haven't read this thread. Go read it!

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Unlike glucose, fructose is almost entirely metabolized in the liver. "When fructose reaches the liver," says Dr. William J. Whelan, a biochemist at the University of Miami School of Medicine, "the liver goes bananas and stops everything else to metabolize the fructose." Eating fructose as compared to glucose results in lower circulating insulin levels, leptin, and ghrelin levels postprandially.[17] These hormones are implicated in the control of appetite and satiety, and it is hypothesized that eating lots of fructose could increase the likelihood of weight gain.[18]


Liver cleanse/fush -> helps acne? Therefore a congested liver would constribute to acne. A high fructose diet (many fruits and other foods with fructose or HFCS) will congest your liver.

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Fructose also chelates minerals in the blood. This effect is especially important with micronutrients such as copper, chromium and zinc. Since these solutes are normally present in small quantities, chelation of small numbers of ions may lead to deficiency diseases, immune system impairment and even insulin resistance, a component of type II diabetes.[13]


How interesting. Zinc alone has cleared a lot of peoples acne on these forums. Were these people possibly deficient in zinc because of a high fructose diet?

Check out a symptom of deficieny in zinc;

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Signs of zinc deficiency include hair loss, skin lesions, diarrhea, and wasting of body tissues. Eyesight, taste, smell and memory are also connected with zinc. A deficiency in zinc can cause malfunctions of these organs and functions.


Skin lesions? Interesting. Malfunctions with the skin organ and it's function? Even more interesting!

Perhaps the most startling thing I have learned today about fructose:

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There is a concern with Diabetic 1 patients and the apparent low GI of fructose. Fructose gives as high blood sugar spike as that obtained with glucose. In fact, GI only applies to high starch foods. The basic GI definition is chemically incorrect. This is because the body blood glucose response is "standardized" with 50g of glucose, while the GI Researchers use 50g of digestible carbohydrate as a reference quantity.


It's interesting that many of our knowlegable members and veterans on these boards have said that spikes in blood sugar can indirectly cause the keratinization of pores.


Please, do more reasearch of your own and post what you think!

The following information was taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

Using the following sources of information;

1^ Buchs, AE; Sasson S, Joost HG, Cerasi E. (1998). "Characterization of GLUT5 domains responsible for fructose transport". Endocrinology 139: 827-31. PMID 12399260.
2^ Elliott SS, Keim NL, Stern JS, Teff K, Havel PJ (2002). "Fructose, weight gain, and the insulin resistance syndrome". Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 76 (5): 911��“22. PMID 12399260.
3^ Lustig RH (2006). "Childhood obesity: behavioral aberration or biochemical drive? Reinterpreting the First Law of Thermodynamics". Nature clinical practice. Endocrinology & metabolism 2 (8): 447��“58. doi:10.1038/ncpendmet0220. PMID 16932334.
4^ Isganaitis E, Lustig RH (2005). "Fast food, central nervous system insulin resistance, and obesity". Arterioscler. Thromb. Vasc. Biol. 25 (12): 2451��“62. doi:10.1161/01.ATV.0000186208.06964.91. PMID 16166564.
5^ Hughes TA, Atchison J, Hazelrig JB, Boshell BR (1989). "Glycemic responses in insulin-dependent diabetic patients: effect of food composition". Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 49 (4): 658��“66. PMID 2929488.
6^ Wylie-Rosett, Judith; et al. (2004). "Carbohydrates and Increases in Obesity: Does the Type of Carbohydrate Make a Difference?". Obesity Res 12: 124S-129S.
7^ a b Havel PJ (2001). "Peripheral signals conveying metabolic information to the brain: short-term and long-term regulation of food intake and energy homeostasis". Exp. Biol. Med. (Maywood) 226 (11): 963��“77. PMID 11743131.
8^ Dennison BA, Rockwell HL, Baker SL (1997). "Excess fruit juice consumption by preschool-aged children is associated with short stature and obesity". Pediatrics 99 (1): 15��“22. PMID 8989331.
9^ J�rgens H, Haass W, Casta�eda TR, et al (2005). "Consuming fructose-sweetened beverages increases body adiposity in mice". Obes. Res. 13 (7): 1146��“56. PMID 16076983.
10^ Bantle JP, Raatz SK, Thomas W, Georgopoulos A (2000). "Effects of dietary fructose on plasma lipids in healthy subjects". Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 72 (5): 1128��“34. PMID 11063439.
11^ http://www.enerex.ca/articles/whey_protein_and_fructose.htm
12^ Melanson, K.; et al. (2006). "Eating Rate and Satiation.". Obesity Society (NAASO) 2006 Annual Meeting, October 20-24,Hynes Convention Center, Boston, Massachusett..
13^ Higdon, J. (2003). "Chromium". Linus Pauling Institute, Oregon State U..
14^ Field, Meira (Fall 2001). "Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts". Weston A. Price Foundation.
15^ McPherson, JD; Shilton BH, Walton DJ (November 1988). "Role of fructose in glycation and cross-linking of proteins. PMID 3132203". Biochemistry 27 (5): 1901-7.
16^ Levi, B; Werman MJ (1998). "Fulltext Long-term fructose consumption accelerates glycation and several age-related variables in male rats. PMID 9732303". J Nutr 128: 1442-9.
17^ Teff, KL; Elliott SS, Tsch�p M, Kieffer TJ, Rader D, Heiman M, Townsend RR, Keim NL, D'Alessio D, Havel PJ (June 2004). "Fulltext Dietary fructose reduces circulating insulin and leptin, attenuates postprandial suppression of ghrelin, and increases triglycerides in women. PMID 15181085". J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 89 (6): 2963-72.
18^ Swan, Norman. ABC Radio National, The Health Report, The Obesity Epidemic. Retrieved on 2007-07-15.


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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:09 PM

I have one too! This one comes from my university homepage. Just saw it this morning. Not as in-depth as what you have, but a little support to further the argument:)

http://news.ufl.edu/2007/12/12/fructose-2/

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(fiction @ Dec 12 2007, 05:09 PM)
I have one too! This one comes from my university homepage. Just saw it this morning. Not as in-depth as what you have, but a little support to further the argument:)

http://news.ufl.edu/2007/12/12/fructose-2/


Hey, thanks for the article!

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While table sugar is composed of both glucose and fructose, fructose seems to be the more dangerous part of the equation, UF researchers say. Eating too much fructose causes uric acid levels to spike, which can block the ability of insulin to regulate how body cells use and store sugar and other nutrients for energy


Freaking unbelievable!

And to think: when I completely cut out table sugar from my diet, I started CRAVING fruits, and would sometimes eat 4 apples a day, and other fruits high in fructose. It's no wonder I'm having very serious digestion problems now. eusa_shifty.gif

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:46 PM

I think you guys are really on to something with this fructose business. I'm on day two of eliminating the fruits I've been eating (apples/oranges) and things seem to be improving already *crosses fingers*.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 04:52 PM

Let me get this straight... so in the end, what should we do to avoid this fructose? avoid all refined and natural sugars?

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 05:05 PM

NO FRUIT AT ALL??? I'm going to try this LOW fructose things for a while... it's interetsing... my naturaopathic doctor told me not to eat fruit past noon... hmm

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 05:08 PM

I don't keep up with nutrition crowd...like AT ALL....but the hubby was telling me about an article that said fructose was actually one of the biggest factors in weight gain, not calories......this seems to confirm that.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 05:15 PM

I don't see why fructose gets all the blame. What about galactose? Doesn't that have to be converted to glucose too?

Yes, I understand that fructose is highly prevalent in the diet, but I don't necessarily believe that the liver stops everything just to convert fructose into glucose.

I also agree that there is some confusion as to blood sugar vs. blood glucose, they are two similar but different things.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE(Mr.561 @ Dec 12 2007, 05:52 PM)
Let me get this straight... so in the end, what should we do to avoid this fructose? avoid all refined and natural sugars?


Well to test my theory I'm just avoiding foods that are high in fructose. Not just fructose in general. Oranges are my favorite food for example, and I'm still eating them because they actually have a higher glucose -> fructose ratio.

Some foods high in fructose are;
apples
raisins (grapes)
watermelon
pears
generally most fruits that grow on trees
HFCS (obviously)
etc.

Fruits with frutose = glucose or < glucose:

oranges
lemons
strawberry, cranberry, blueberry and most berry fruits
kiwi
pineapple
rhubarb
etc.

Some sources on the internet claim honey is high in fructose, others say it has a even ratio of 1:1. I really don't know which is correct, so you'll have to decide for yourself.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 07:14 PM

I think most will do well enough by cutting out processed foods with HFCS and don't have to avoid fruit which contain valuable nutrients and fiber.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE(alternativista @ Dec 12 2007, 08:14 PM)
I think most will do well enough by cutting out processed foods with HFCS and don't have to avoid fruit which contain valuable nutrients and fiber.


Possibly. But I certainly didn't.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE(MRW @ Dec 12 2007, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE(Mr.561 @ Dec 12 2007, 05:52 PM)
Let me get this straight... so in the end, what should we do to avoid this fructose? avoid all refined and natural sugars?


Well to test my theory I'm just avoiding foods that are high in fructose. Not just fructose in general. Oranges are my favorite food for example, and I'm still eating them because they actually have a higher glucose -> fructose ratio.

Some foods high in fructose are;
apples
raisins (grapes)
honey
watermelon
pears
generally most fruits that grow on trees
HFCS (obviously)
etc.

Fruits with frutose = glucose or < glucose:

oranges
lemons
strawberry, cranberry, blueberry and most berry fruits
kiwi
pineapple
rhubarb
etc.

Thank you. One last question, is it ok to eat glucose?

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:02 PM

QUOTE(Mr.561 @ Dec 12 2007, 09:00 PM)
QUOTE(MRW @ Dec 12 2007, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE(Mr.561 @ Dec 12 2007, 05:52 PM)
Let me get this straight... so in the end, what should we do to avoid this fructose? avoid all refined and natural sugars?


Well to test my theory I'm just avoiding foods that are high in fructose. Not just fructose in general. Oranges are my favorite food for example, and I'm still eating them because they actually have a higher glucose -> fructose ratio.

Some foods high in fructose are;
apples
raisins (grapes)
honey
watermelon
pears
generally most fruits that grow on trees
HFCS (obviously)
etc.

Fruits with frutose = glucose or < glucose:

oranges
lemons
strawberry, cranberry, blueberry and most berry fruits
kiwi
pineapple
rhubarb
etc.

Thank you. One last question, is it ok to eat glucose?


Yes, of course. Foods are broken down into glucose in order for your body to digest them. It would be impossibly to avoid glucose. wink.gif

However, it may be smart to avoid commercialized glucose found in starches like wheat, rice, maize, and potatos.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:05 PM

Fruits will not cause acne, and the fructose in them will not cause problems.

You are just avoiding every possible food, and you are all on the wrong track. I am not even going to explain this one.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE(notadoctor @ Dec 12 2007, 09:05 PM)
Fruits will not cause acne, and the fructose in them will not cause problems.

You are just avoiding every possible food, and you are all on the wrong track. I am not even going to explain this one.


Are you sure your not a doctor? You seem to have a lot of things in common with doctors, such as claiming to know exactly what doesn't affect acne. You know, stuff like grains and dairy and refined sugar?

I'm avoiding every food possible? Please do explain.
I am avoiding grains and dairy. (Perhaps you also don't think both of these affect acne?)
I am avoiding fruits high in fructose and refined sugar.

I guess I always have all kinds of meats, all kinds of vegetables, seeds, nuts and fruits.

Why post in a thread writing "you are all on the wrong track" without backing it up?
Posters such as LilliG, LivesInABox, and others (myself included) believe that fructose probably does have an important role.

So please, oh mighty one, enlighten us with your wisdom.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:49 PM

I definitely agree with not a doctor on this one. There is absolutely no way that your body should be rejecting nutritious fruits. You are seriously in trouble if this happens. There is no real explanation needed. It is purely illogical.

Let me add a bit to that. Fructose might add to the problem if you do have a malfunctioning liver like mentioned above. It's definitely not the root cause in the least.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE(won won @ Dec 12 2007, 09:49 PM)
I definitely agree with not a doctor on this one. There is absolutely no way that your body should be rejecting nutritious fruits. You are seriously in trouble if this happens. There is no real explanation needed. It is purely illogical.

Let me add a bit to that. Fructose might add to the problem if you do have a malfunctioning liver like mentioned above. It's definitely not the root cause in the least.


Some people think that your liver and digestion play a huge role in acne, because your liver helps eliminate wastes, and if it's not doing it's job there is a good chance it could show on other parts of your body. If high fructose diets can congest your liver, then it could play a role. Crazy theory I know, but that's why this is a discussion.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 09:23 PM

QUOTE(MRW @ Dec 12 2007, 03:24 PM)
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While table sugar is composed of both glucose and fructose, fructose seems to be the more dangerous part of the equation, UF researchers say. Eating too much fructose causes uric acid levels to spike, which can block the ability of insulin to regulate how body cells use and store sugar and other nutrients for energy






You know.... I've been having gout-like symptoms in my big toe (and this seemed weird to me since I'm 22 and a female - not the typical profile of a gout sufferer). I'm actually in extreme pain right now and can barely walk on it. It's swollen, red, warm, and I feel the constant need to pop the joint. Yes, I know - disgusting. It f*$&^*g hurts though!!!

Maybe I've been eating too much fructose lately since I've been cutting out fast food, desserts, and other crap that we shouldn't eat. I've been attempting to cleanse my body to aid in healing my acne scars. I've been indulging in apples, grapes, and other similar things a lot lately. Sometimes my breakfast has simply been an apple and a glass of water. I've also noticed a couple zits this past week which is unusual since I am post Accutane and haven't had an acne problem in over 5 monts. Since my diet has been healthy overall, I haven't noticed weight gain, but I'm definitely feeling the increased uric acid levels....

It's probably a good idea for me to give the fructose foods a rest.

The question is, what CAN we eat?!? LOL eusa_think.gif lol.gif

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE(MRW @ Dec 12 2007, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE(won won @ Dec 12 2007, 09:49 PM)
I definitely agree with not a doctor on this one. There is absolutely no way that your body should be rejecting nutritious fruits. You are seriously in trouble if this happens. There is no real explanation needed. It is purely illogical.

Let me add a bit to that. Fructose might add to the problem if you do have a malfunctioning liver like mentioned above. It's definitely not the root cause in the least.


Some people think that your liver and digestion play a huge role in acne, because your liver helps eliminate wastes, and if it's not doing it's job there is a good chance it could show on other parts of your body. If high fructose diets can congest your liver, then it could play a role. Crazy theory I know, but that's why this is a discussion.

Not crazy it at all in my opinion. I just don't see all of the blame being put on fructose.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE(MRW @ Dec 12 2007, 10:12 PM)
QUOTE(won won @ Dec 12 2007, 09:49 PM)
I definitely agree with not a doctor on this one. There is absolutely no way that your body should be rejecting nutritious fruits. You are seriously in trouble if this happens. There is no real explanation needed. It is purely illogical.

Let me add a bit to that. Fructose might add to the problem if you do have a malfunctioning liver like mentioned above. It's definitely not the root cause in the least.


Some people think that your liver and digestion play a huge role in acne, because your liver helps eliminate wastes, and if it's not doing it's job there is a good chance it could show on other parts of your body. If high fructose diets can congest your liver, then it could play a role. Crazy theory I know, but that's why this is a discussion.


I suggest you try this fr some weeks. Worst thing, the placebo effect is going to help you lol.

But I also suggest you check with your nuts and seeds. When I eat peanuts, I get big pimples between my eyebrows and pistachios give mes pimples under the chin. I am not sure about other types of nuts though.

Also, do not forget that stress plays a huge role directly and indirectly.
And take zinc supplements! a lot!

Good luck!




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