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[LivesInABox]

It would have seemed like my body needed an all meat diet to function correctly and be healthy - when that wouldnt have been the case at all!

So then what have you concluded? You lost me a bit at this point.

I was rambling a bit It's just nice to finally have my answer. I'd cut allsorts out of my diet, gluten, dairy, processed food, refined foods. I was down to fruit, veg, meat, nuts, seeds and gluten/dairy/sugar free products and i was still getting 1 or 2 tiny whiteheads every couple of days. Then i tried very low carb (this removed a lot of fruits, some veg and all the gluten free products) - and this worked for a bit, but every time i "cheated" i immediately got a couple of spots. So i could have gone the 100% meat way and cut out all carbs, but i'm sure you'll understand why long term that isn't very healthy and not a "cure" - i would just simply have been avoiding everything but meat, when all i needed todo was manage my fructose intolerance like other people have if you google some blogs.

I'm still on this diet now with a few changes as the fructose diet above, but with taurine as a supplement (don't forget to get some vitamins as your avoiding fruit) and a close eye on what i eat (even the tiny bit of vanilla extract i was using had some sugar syrup in it!) I seem to be doing fine, if anything i can tolerate a bit more fructose than before.

For me it's connected all the dots.

[SoCold]

What brand of B-vitamins and Taurine do you have?

I'm looking online now and want to make sure I buy a potent brand, not something full of nothing.

[LiliVG]

I didn't know that inulin was fructose! Bye-bye Fiber-sure! That stuff is pure inulin I think! Fortunately I hadn't been taking as much of that stuff as I thought I "should", as a fiber source to reduce sugar spikes. Ok so my fiber source will be psyllium husks from now on.

There is some awesome research coming up, this is great! Thanks everyone for finding all this great supporting research and information!

It's awesome how this thread is helping so many people and really "clicking" with people. I'm really happy!

[bilo]

Ive been eating alot of cococnut milk lately (coconut extract , water) would you say thay it is high in fructose or is bad for acne?

[SoCold]

Ive been eating alot of cococnut milk lately (coconut extract , water) would you say thay it is high in fructose or is bad for acne?

From Wikipedia;

Unfavorable foods (i.e. more fructose than glucose)

Fruit - Apple, pear, guava, honeydew melon, nashi fruit, pawpaw/papaya, quince, star fruit, watermelon
Dried fruit - Apple, apricot, currant, date, fig, pear, prune, raisin, sultana
Fruit juices
Fruit pastes - chutney, relish, plum sauce, sweet & sour sauce, BBQ sauce.
Coconut
Dried fruit bars
Honey
Fortified wines
HFCS
Corn syrup solids
Fruit juice concentrates

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose_malabsorption

[SoCold]

NOW Brand had great reviews and check out this price;

Now Foods, Taurine, 500 mg, 100 Capsules
$3.31 ($0.03 off) 1 Quantity

Items: $3.34
Discounts: ($0.03)
Shipping & Handling: $1.75
Total Before Tax: $5.06
Estimated Tax:* $0.00
Order Total: $5.06

EDIT: LivesInABox and LiliG, what do you guys think of this B-Complex?

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c...d=1760&at=0

[LiliVG]

What brand of B-vitamins and Taurine do you have?

I'm looking online now and want to make sure I buy a potent brand, not something full of nothing.

Right now I'm using Country Life Basic B Caps which has 60 capsules of about 25mg of each vitamin in it and really inexpensive $8, and Jarrow Formulas Taurine 60 1000mg capsules, $13. Jarrow Formulas is a very high quality brand, but LivesInABox got some taurine in bulk powder form for much less I think, and it seems to be working well for him. For me capsules work better because then I don't have to mix anything to drink. But I know there are brands that are less expensive than Jarrow formulas, but even at $13 for a 2 month supply, it's not bad. I also recently added Nature's Way B-2 100mg to fix the chapped lips I was getting which the b supplement seemed to make slightly worse, and seemed like was caused by a b-2 deficiency. I've had chapped lips for a long time though, and the b-2 seems to have taken care of it, which is nice in itself actually. Not everyone may experience that though, but if you do, b-2 fixed it for me.

About a week ago, I started slacking on the b vitamins a little bit, and I started seeing a degradation in the quality of my skin within just a few days, so the b vitamins are a significant part of this system working. It makes sense though since sugar depletes b vitamins which are important for skin health, and taurine needs b-6 to work properly. So I started making sure to not slack on the b-vitamins, and my skin is back to normal now again.

I'm experimenting with taking 2000mg of taurine per day and see how it effects my sensitivity to sugar in my diet. I've been doing that for the last few days. So far seems pretty good

[LivesInABox]

I didn't know that inulin was fructose! Bye-bye Fiber-sure! That stuff is pure inulin I think! Fortunately I hadn't been taking as much of that stuff as I thought I "should", as a fiber source to reduce sugar spikes. Ok so my fiber source will be psyllium husks from now on.

There is some awesome research coming up, this is great! Thanks everyone for finding all this great supporting research and information!

It's awesome how this thread is helping so many people and really "clicking" with people. I'm really happy!

And so you should be! I had to ditch fibre sure too . I think as a form of fructose it's ok, but not if you can't tolerate fructose much at all. Having dropped that off, it maybe one of the reasons my diet can absorb a little more fructose - as i was having quite a bit of it (30-40g a day!).

Between about 30-40% of the population suffers from fructose malabsorption.[11] Since inulin is a fructan, it is problematic for people with fructose malabsorption.[12]]

Ive been eating alot of cococnut milk lately (coconut extract , water) would you say thay it is high in fructose or is bad for acne?

Nutritional data doesn't seem to know, but sites selling coconut milk seem to suggest it's high in fructose.

Coconut is rich in glucose, fructose and important inorganic salts. It may be used as a milk substitute for vegans or the lactose intolerant (but not for nursing infants).

It'd only be bad if you have fructose malabsorption, just like milk would be if you have lactose intolerance.

[SoCold]

Country Life, Coenzyme B-Complex Caps, 60 Veggie Caps
$6.52 ($0.07 off) 1 Quantity

+ the Taurine

I feel good about this Thanks guys.

[LiliVG]

NOW Brand had great reviews and check out this price;

Now Foods, Taurine, 500 mg, 100 Capsules
$3.31 ($0.03 off) 1 Quantity

Items: $3.34
Discounts: ($0.03)
Shipping & Handling: $1.75
Total Before Tax: $5.06
Estimated Tax:* $0.00
Order Total: $5.06

EDIT: LivesInABox and LiliG, what do you guys think of this B-Complex?

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c...d=1760&at=0

It looks good, it sounds like a good concept, but I haven't tried it so I don't know if the concept converts to real results though. If it works like it says it does, then it would be really good. How much is that b-complex including shipping? The one I'm using seems to work fine, it's this one: http://www.country-life.com/moreinfo.cfm?C...;Product_ID=195

That taurine is so cheap! wow! Maybe there's a reason jarrow's was more though? I'm not sure. I don't know a whole lot about the differences between brands. I bought Jarrow's because they are known for being really high quality, but maybe with taurine it doesn't make any difference?

[LivesInABox]

NOW Brand had great reviews and check out this price;

Now Foods, Taurine, 500 mg, 100 Capsules
$3.31 ($0.03 off) 1 Quantity

EDIT: LivesInABox and LiliG, what do you guys think of this B-Complex?

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c...d=1760&at=0

If you can get the 100% now powder. Taurine powder doesn't taste of anything to me, and you get no filler or capsule stuff. And for me it works out cheaper. It's a standard bodybuilding supplement, and they also usually have B vitamins so maybe you can save on shipping?

Now Taurine powder

Just remember that a teaspoon is about 5g (not exact) so be careful and split up say 1 gram over a day to start - you can always add more after a while if it's not working.

As for the BVitamins, they look ok (it's hard to tell which B complex has the right proportions for "everybody"). Although it does list "Soy lecithin" which i'm not sure you'd want.

[SoCold]

NOW Brand had great reviews and check out this price;

Now Foods, Taurine, 500 mg, 100 Capsules
$3.31 ($0.03 off) 1 Quantity

EDIT: LivesInABox and LiliG, what do you guys think of this B-Complex?

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c...d=1760&at=0

If you can get the 100% now powder. Taurine powder doesn't taste of anything to me, and you get no filler or capsule stuff. And for me it works out cheaper. It's a standard bodybuilding supplement, and they also usually have B vitamins so maybe you can save on shipping?

Now Taurine powder

Just remember that a teaspoon is about 5g (not exact) so be careful and split up say 1 gram over a day to start - you can always add more after a while if it's not working.

As for the BVitamins, they look ok (it's hard to tell which B complex has the right proportions for "everybody"). Although it does list "Soy lecithin" which i'm not sure you'd want.

Yeah, I saw the soy lecithin wasn't sure what to make of it. The product had excellent reviews however.

Also, what type of drinks do you mix your powder with? I was thinking a nice fruit smoothie, but that would contradict what I was trying to avoid I suppose I could use oranges, as they are mildly anti-inflammatory.

[LivesInABox]

Yeah, I saw the soy lecithin wasn't sure what to make of it. The product had excellent reviews however.

Also, what type of drinks do you mix your powder with? I was thinking a nice fruit smoothie, but that would contradict what I was trying to avoid I suppose I could use oranges, as they are mildly anti-inflammatory.

It's hard to say if a small amount of soy lecithin is bad or not, i tend to avoid soy after having a reaction to it when i quit dairy. It's an odd thing to put in a B Complex supplement, unless they know something that all the other makers of vitamins don't.

I mix mine in a tiny bit of water (it's only 1/4 of teaspoon). I think you could mix it with anything really (milk if your not allergic or avoiding it), it doesn't say not too. But i think having it with fruit juice may void the purpose, as all fruit juice is higher in fructose than eating fruit

[LiliVG]

Soy lecithin has a form of choline in it which is considered a relative of the b vitamins. But soy lecithin makes me break out badly. The form of choline in the one I'm taking is Choline bitartrate. Now that you mention there's lecithin in that supplement, i'm not so sure it's a good idea. But maybe it's just me with a sensitivity to lecithin? Soy lecithin isn't pure lecithin, it's all the crap left over after they've processed everything else out of the soy that they can get. I read about how lecithin is made and it sounded horrible. But maybe it's too small an amount to make a difference. But I'd hate for a small detail like that to negate positive results.

Yeah, I saw the soy lecithin wasn't sure what to make of it. The product had excellent reviews however.

Also, what type of drinks do you mix your powder with? I was thinking a nice fruit smoothie, but that would contradict what I was trying to avoid I suppose I could use oranges, as they are mildly anti-inflammatory.

It's hard to say if a small amount of soy lecithin is bad or not, i tend to avoid soy after having a reaction to it when i quit dairy. It's an odd thing to put in a B Complex supplement, unless they know something that all the other makers of vitamins don't.

I mix mine in a tiny bit of water (it's only 1/4 of teaspoon). I think you could mix it with anything really (milk if your not allergic or avoiding it), it doesn't say not too. But i think having it with fruit juice may void the purpose, as all fruit juice is higher in fructose than eating fruit

I use rice milk when I mix anything, it usually works ok.

[SoCold]

Ok, I've made my purchases.

First of all, I sadly already purchased the Taurine in caps form before LivesInABox posted about the powder form. I regret it of course, but I will definetly buy the powder next time.

I bought this B-Complex:

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=1760

And a little offtopic, but since I have serious digestion problems, I bought this:

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=635

I double checked the ingredients, and the probiotics has "trace amounts" of lactose and soy protein. I have been avoiding milk for a very long time, and had some yogurt recently without a breakout, so what the hell. I don't recall ever consuming soy or a soy product, so I'm unsure how it will affect my skin. Not to mention it will be in a very small amount.

I will probably wait before I start using the probiotic and try the B-Complex and Taurine first. That way, if the probiotics break me out (which I HIGHLY doubt) then I will know it's that rather then the B-Complex and Taurine.

We'll see how it goes, I'll let you guys know!

Thanks again.

[LiliVG]

Ok, I've made my purchases.

First of all, I sadly already purchased the Taurine in caps form before LivesInABox posted about the powder form. I regret it of course, but I will definetly buy the powder next time.

I bought this B-Complex:

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=1760

And a little offtopic, but since I have serious digestion problems, I bought this:

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=635

I double checked the ingredients, and the probiotics has "trace amounts" of lactose and soy protein. I have been avoiding milk for a very long time, and had some yogurt recently without a breakout, so what the hell. I don't recall ever consuming soy or a soy product, so I'm unsure how it will affect my skin. Not to mention it will be in a very small amount.

I will probably wait before I start using the probiotic and try the B-Complex and Taurine first. That way, if the probiotics break me out (which I HIGHLY doubt) then I will know it's that rather then the B-Complex and Taurine.

We'll see how it goes, I'll let you guys know!

Thanks again.

It's interesting you mention you have digestive problems because fructose malabsorption syndrome lists digestive problems as one symptom. It would be interesting to see if a low fructose diet would improve your digestive symptoms. Infact I've noticed there are a lot of people with digestive symptoms on this forum, myself included. Keep us posted!

[Veen]

Very interesting, gonna look into this.

Fructose malabsorption or Dietary Fructose Intolerance is a digestive disorder of the small intestine in which the fructose carrier in enterocytes is deficient. As a result of this problem, the concentration of fructose in the entire intestine is increased. Fructose malabsorption is found in approximately 30-40% of the population of Central Europe, with about half of the affected individuals exibiting symptoms

Thats a lot of people

[bilo]

how about prune juice, i no its on the list as high in fructose but it contains a high amount of fibre. Doesn't fibre counteract the absobtion to an extent?as I often eat nuts with fruit for this very reason. is there any logic in eatin fruit with nuts? or the prune juice?

[granolagurl]

LiliVG could you please post what you usually eat everyday? I'm a little unsure as to what I could eat for breakfast since I usually just eat fruit.
Thanks!

[LiliVG]

LiliVG could you please post what you usually eat everyday? I'm a little unsure as to what I could eat for breakfast since I usually just eat fruit.
Thanks!

I usually eat hard boiled eggs sliced on a piece of toast with mayo, or puffed millet sweetened with xylitol with rice milk for breakfast. I also like omelets or egg/meat/veggie scrambles, for example, 2 eggs, and handful of chopped up sausage, and a handful of chopped red bell peppers or rice, salt, pepper, mix it all together and scramble it, and then top it with some grated cheese if you like. Also yummy is rice with butter and xylitol and a little bit of vanilla. It sounds kind of like a dessert, but it's not really anymore so than eating cereal. As for bread, I make sure the HFCS isn't an ingredient. I try not to eat too much wheat, since it has fructans in it, but a little is ok. 100% fructose elimination is impossible, the goal is realistic reduction to as low as reasonably possible. But if it means feeling like there's nothing to eat, just keep moderation in mind, not complete elimination. Usually my other meals are combinations of stuff in my fridge, I don't usually cook a lot during the day. Like on the weekends I'll cook a main meat dish, like meatloaf, or a turkey for example, and then the whole rest of the week, I usually don't need to do any major cooking. So for example I'll have meatloaf and then I'll heat up some frozen veggies or something to go with it. Same formula for dinner. So my meals are usually meat + veggies, pretty simple. Sometimes, I'll cook some rice noodles, make some sauce like salsa, or pesto and drizzle it with olive oil (I have to use cold pressed organic olive oil, or I have major problems, that could just be me though), and some meat like steak or chicken and mix it all in a bowl. But most of the time it's meat and veggies. I usually drink rice milk.

My diet has gotten a bit disturbed since I started working though since I pretty much have to eat at the mall food court every day. In those cases, I usually get a sandwich, or a burrito, or meat and veggies over white rice (not fried rice or fried noodles though!), and then I usually just drink water.