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[seb_derm]

il start my supplement after my elidel course is over i took my antifungal tabs today after 3 days il start on mino and elidel...isnt there any medicine which reduces oil formation on face do u think mino will help control oil...ive ordered for oc8 its safe to use right...

[Ihsahn]

anything can cause a flare up specially using too many products who are prone to sd.oc8 has been safe for me and ive started on it from today again since im totally clear.Give yourself a week after complete clearance and free from all current med then you may try. I do not use the oc8 which is marketed in the internet I use this one >

http://www.swiss-healthcare.ch/getmore1.ph...ng=Our+Products

I think they just sold the formula to diff companies and its been packaged through diff companies now.Though this has been prescribed by my doc and is available in most pharmacies where i live.They also have a new product sebocare which is similar and supposed to be in some way better i dont know how,i may try that soon.Sebum reduction will always help Sd and Acne but this is no permanent solution its just a temp way to block your sebum but its better than nothing or harsh products which do more damage than good.

[TheMommy]

by 1st derm
minocycline 100 mg 15 days
fucidin h cream 7days
elidel cream 1mnth

by 2nd derm
sum multivitamin tab
fluticasone cream 7days
metrogyl thrice/wk 20days

FYI...
my (Very Good) derm here in the US prescribed :
Metrogel 2x day - month
Minocin 100mg 2 x day - month
for my SD.

I'm with you -- I hate this redness & flakiness & on top of it all, acne too! My acne had gotten so much better with spiro, now this!

[seb_derm]

hey Ihsahn,
i checked tht site out hey tht sebocare product sounds good but i guess if they will ship it to india oc8 distributors are ready to ship it to india for me. hows ur oc8 diff frm the official oc8 as seen on ( http://www.oc8.com )

[seb_derm]

hi TheMommy,
kinda same thing has happened to me, after my acne which had got nearly clear i got this shit.
ditto even i hate this redness, flakiness and oiliness...hey is metrogel helping u, did u notice any improvement after starting on mino...is this the 1st time sd has struck u...since how long u bearing this sd shit...i feel bfore u start on any steroid creams or gels better do a patch test for 3-4 days n then decide, thts wht ive learnt...

[Ihsahn]

I doubt there is any diff in that oc8 and the one im using.I've currently stopped using oc8 since i feel my skin needs to breathe a bit after using so much.Have you noticed how usually everytime we start an acne exfoliating regimen you end up with Sd,rosacea,probably even psoriasis which we never knew we had,or atleast for majority of us.

All of these have a common link and that is excess sebum,our main goal should be to control excess sebum which is very difficult,various foods can even uprise our hormones & do various other problems who are prone to skin problems which is under looked and now skim milk has finally come into scene.Majority of Rosacea cases can be controlled through immunosuppresents and anti-deperessants /anxiety disorder med like prozac or xanax specially for those who flush in public,playing video games,when nervous or shy.But this treatment s very rarely done due to potential side efffects,ive seen v good results with this treatment of 2 patients with rosacea.It is unfort that none of our treat actually helps us completely or makes it worse.

[seb_derm]

yes absolutly tried to exfoliate my acne i ended up with sd...
i think excess sebum could be controlled by accutane or sum oral hormonal meds...do u think consuming a lot of skim milk makes skin problem worse...ive heard blue light laser helps sd by reducing the no. of malassezia yeast on the skin...main thing in sd is the malassezia yeast under the skin surface which degrades the sebum, making it acidic then this acidic sebum leads to a breakdown of the natural skin barrier in sd prone individuals in response 2 above 2 actions skins reacts with inflammation, flakiness, and redness...

[Ihsahn]

the name is seborrheic dermatitis.The problem only occurs when we produce excessive sebum from our seborrheic /sebaceous glands so our main goal is to control the excess oil.All this fungus and bacteria can do nothing unless we create an environment for them to multiple and create problems /infection etc and adding more products to do the face can create more problems.There are dozens of antifungals and cleansers that can reduce the yeast/bacteria etc but then they never ever completely go away ,even normal skin people have these its just that they multiple in our cases and create problems.

Excess Androgen is one of the key causes of skin problem and oil, some people are just way to senstive to it.One of the main reasons (which lot of people are still in denial) is excessive masturbation (atleast from a guys perspective) shoots up androgen levels.This may not cause acne but it creates excess sebum which can lead to much more chances of acne formation and other skin problems ,acne has many other known and unknown reasons for forming.Some ppl can masturbate all their life excessively and have nps but people who are sensitive to androgen have to be careful.According to a urologist masturbation should be done once or twice a week and diff most of us have done it alot more in the past.I feel acne,rosacea,Sd are all related diff due to excess sebum.

Skim milk is related with acne and if u have eczema u may be allergic to diary products,you can check it out in google for more info.There is accutane which shrinks the oil glands but even this is not full proof ,within 6 months to 2years you'll get back your acne and excess oil just maybe you'll have less acne than usual. There is also vilantae/b5 which i haven't tried but people swear by it.Anyway at the moment oc8 is fine i will start using oc8 after a month maybe this tempo seems the best way to control sebum without any probs but since we may have contact dermatitis long term use can be a problem.

[seb_derm]

yes definately our main goal is to control excess sebum production vilantae sounds to be a marvelous supplement which can be consumed to prevent excess oil...
in tht case "Androgens" wouldnt be causing me a problem coz i have total control over my libido let me be more practical i hardly masturbathe 1s or 2s in a month...( buddy im 21 n their has been no girl in my life as yet )...
i think milk should be good for sd coz milk has lactic acid in it which is very good for sensitive skin before when i dint have sd i used to consume 2-3 litres of milk daily i had a amazing glow on my face...

[Ihsahn]

that is something really good cause mine diff is from food and hormones.Let us know how elidel has been working for you,it is unfort how so many ppl here have been prescribed or misused steroids and other products which did nothing but irritate their skin.

I do not know much about skim milk i haven't researched enough but ive heard skim has some kind of hormones which shoots up our testosterone levels then ive also heard that skim milk is not recognized by our digestive system and they become toxins and therefore lead to acne.I really have no clue on this but every doc i talk to has told me to stop talking skim milk.But milk and diary products do give some ppl immune system problems so ppl with eczema diff should avoid and have allergy test as well.

To be honest the time when i look best these days is when im clear and use nothing not even a cleanser.But every now and then i get a pimple once in 2 months and i start applying stuff on my face or think of treating my post acne marks and then all problems start happening so ive decided to apply nothing at all just water and if any pimple then exfoliac nc gel spot treatment and see how it goes.Infact ive done this in the past with great success ,i have just given up hope on treating post acne problems,nothing helps and ive learned to live with it.

[seb_derm]

im gonna start wid elidel in 2 days presently ive taken 1 single dose of fluconazole and started wid mino (100mg) once a day...nothing unexpected has happened to my skin yet i hope everything goes smoothly (im keepin my fingers crossed)...

there are these lactic acid peels its said to be very good for sensitive skin lactic acid peels has lactic acid which is found in milk...well il better stay away frm these peels for a while...

yes seriously even ive experienced, treating post acne marks is not worth the risk infact i was trying to treat those only but gods know wht happened i got sd i dnt how i got this trying to figure out the cause (the mystery is yet unsolved)
im with u buddy even i believe, u should use least things possible on ur face well i used to do exactly the same thing as you in the past exfoliate and then gel spot treatment well it was amazing i used to enjoy doin it i hope the post acne marks will fade naturally or when i get enough money of my own i have a dream to get a plastic surgery done frm Dr. Steven M. Hoefflin the most famous plastic surgeon to the stars...

[Ihsahn]

don't expect much from fluconazole,if you had severe dandruff in your scalp it may have helped even then its v unlikely.The prob with mino will be if u stay in the sun for a long time you will start flushing so just be careful .The real med that will help you is elidel ,the first 2-3 days might be irritating then you will see how your redness and flaking will be totally gone.

Im totally against peels ,i had done the blue peel(with ipl together) in the past and now not only am i left with more pigmented tiny scars and an atrophy on my cheek which i havent recovered from and prob have it all my life (prob from the ipl).I had done some superficial peels as well which did nothing.This was when i had no knowledge about anything and i blindly followed whatever the doc said.Later on when i talked to some exp and better doc i found out these things will hardly do anything.Any kind of peeling has a chance of giving you an eczema flare up.

I would have np with acne if it didnt scar or pigment,unfort our pigementation will never go away completely it will fade and be lighter but it will still be visible in certain light or close-up.Also no amount of money or procedures or any doc n the world at the moment can give the face like you had before your skin probs infact most of them have a higher chance of making it worse than any good.Isolagen was something i was counting on but even from that i haven't as of yet heard many positive results.

[seb_derm]

no no i dnt have or had severe dandruff...

''Any kind of peeling has a chance of giving you an eczema flare up''
seroiusly could be possible when my skin was really bad bck in april'07 the derm of mine who was responsible for this shit she told me to undergo for microdermabrasion jus 1 session of it and my skin was worst than before...all the derms ive been to they have told me tht i shouldnt have done microderm when my skin is not normal...could be 1 of the reasons why im sufering frm sd today...

i have slight hyper pigmentation im goin to ask my derm to do sumthin abt it after my sd is under control...

well when i think bck there in 2006 i was soo happy this yr has been the worst yr in my life...

wht exactly is Isolagen i googled it but dint have time to read the whole thing could u tell me in short wht is it...

[Ihsahn]

In every exfoliating product e.g retin a they write not to be used if you have eczema yet majority of the doc prescribe it to us.Microdermbrasion and peels are all rubbish ,they are just a bit stronger than the normal topical cream unless you use high strength peels which has even higher chances to damage your skin than do good.

Even me 2 years back i had such a nice face i only had one small ice pick scar and 3 tiny pigmented atrophic scar these were not even barely visible and i used to get 1 pimple in 3-4 months and eczema flareup up once in 2 3 years which i could control very easily.Then i wanted to go for perfection and totally ruined my face now.Everybody warned me to not do anything yet i did things and totally ruined it.It is best to leave your skin the way it is and try and live a healthy lifestyle and just do spot acne treatments.

You can check on isolagen here www.isolagen.com ,you should get some links anyway in google maybe you mispelt it.

[TheMommy]

hi TheMommy,
kinda same thing has happened to me, after my acne which had got nearly clear i got this shit.
ditto even i hate this redness, flakiness and oiliness...hey is metrogel helping u, did u notice any improvement after starting on mino...is this the 1st time sd has struck u...since how long u bearing this sd shit...i feel bfore u start on any steroid creams or gels better do a patch test for 3-4 days n then decide, thts wht ive learnt...

This is my first time and it is SLOW going to get it better!!! (However, my dermo told me to expect 4 to 6 weeks in recovery, even using both Metrogel & Minocin.) I have been out of town and I think the relaxation plus the meds has halted the spread of this stuff and started to calm it down. IT IS NO FUN. I am back home in LA now & it's so hot that I'm trying a little Neosporin today to give some relief.

Good Luck!!!

[seb_derm]

exfoliating products such as retin a are worse never heard of any 1 who has been benefited from it.
ya dude this perfection thing is really bad its like a disease where in the end u end up screwing it. its sounds same even in my case my parents warned me not to finger arnd wid my face but i dint listen to anyone coz i had tht perfect clear skin in my mind which i wanted to accomplish but all went wrong now i keep regreting. ya i agree leave ur skin the way it is let the nature play its role.
ya i checked the isolagen thing its good but it isnt available in india.
ok... i wanted to ask u before applying elidel can i apply a moisturizer on top of it elidel i read this in the leaflet of elidel can u tell me wht role does this moisturizer play in this???

[seb_derm]

hi TheMommy,
so hows it goin wid metrogel did u notice any improvement in ur skin...

[Ihsahn]

retin a actually helped my acne alot when i mixed it with hydroquinone ,my oil production and acne were nil,i find it much better than other products like Bp & differin but since i have genetic Sd its a prob when sd starts kicking on,adn while on retina a i cant play sports in the sun.The prob is ppl eith acne and other skin problems we need a regimen for lifetime ,anything we start then it clears us we stop the regimen after few weeks it all comes back again and nothing is safe to continue for a lifetime.

I wouldnt apply a moisturizer,no moisturizer in the world can help ur sd infact it can irrtate it more.Elidel alone should do the trick.The only time i suggest using moisturzer is when ur skin barrier is somewhat normal and ur clear then,but even then that can cause problems if over-used.Did u notice any diff with antifungals and antibiotics?

[seb_derm]

i applied elidel for 3 nights i got a small red rash on my left cheek ive had a gap for 2 days i will start on it again today. i guess antifungal helped a bit. i havent started wid mino (100mg) im scared it might conflict with elidel. along with med im even concentrating on my workouts which is mostly cardio 3's a week ive noticed tht when i sweat like a dog it makes my skin better, drinking 7-8 ltrs of water daily, eating min 2-3 fruits daily and even consuming lot of fruit juices, eating no oily food only protien diet.
apart frm all this i think praying to god is the most imp thing i try not skip my prayers.
lets hope for the best i hope 1 day god will surely listen to my prayers n give me wht i always wanted 'a clear skin'.

[Ihsahn]

its normal to get a little irritated ,itchy with elidel.Hopefully this time around your skin will adjust to it,unless its not severe dont stop with it.Its imp you don't stop eldiel after your clearance which typically takes 3-7 days.You should keep applying for about 30 days.Sweating can cause mild acne so be a bit careful and if necc cleanse with a mild soap after sweating like dove,cetaphil or johnson babby soap,if u dont get acne and just using water is fine then no need to cleanse after workout.Mino will make ur skin flush and red and make your head /ears feel hot ,atleast with majority of ppl and it doesnt even really help ,but if your doc has given you then you may as well try it.good luck with everything.