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[Scars4Life]

Is anyone gonna bother trying it. Everyone who was supposely going to try never came back here.

Either it made their skin rediculously worse and they commited suicide, or they had dramatic results and don't feel like sharring them and moved on with life. Though I still see them running around this forum posting random stuff.

Bump!!!

Edited by Scars4Life, 06 November 2009 - 08:42 PM.

[NeoMike]

Hello everyone,

in my last post I talked about scar regeneration with topical iodine. I promised to post the email answers from Dr Derry, the man who wrote the regarding paper.
Here are his own words:

"I chose Lugol’s because it worked. I have tried other methods but not seriously.
Why not try the SSKI and see how you get on. I would be interested.

The small black dots are so small you have to nearly have a magnifying glass to see them.

Best wishes
Davied"

"I put mine on before bed.
Stretch marks will heal I am sure with iodine as well. Your healing may go faster than normal as the scar is not complicated by disruption by surgical incision.

It will be interesting to see.

David"


"The plastic wrap is not important. It goes at the same speed with and without the wrap. The plastic wrap makes it more photogenic.
I have used the cover story that my dermatologist told me this was the best treatment for the scars.
Under the arm would be difficult to wrap.
I would forget the wrap. I have a feeling which I need to confirm that putting Vaseline over it works well.

I found that if the stain color disappeared the process stopped. So I put it on every day. The stain does not disappear into the tissues it disappears into the air.
The stain color is all important.
I hope that helps.

David"

"I just couldn’t justify putting in a picture of normal skin. It proves nothing – I could have just made it up!

I don’t know if you have seen the more complete paper in the Journal of Medical Hypothesis but if not that is worth a look. It is a summary of roughly where I am with the process.

This material as you can guess is completely new.

Scar healing time depends on the complexity of the scar. The straight forward plastic surgeon scar took close to a year. One has to be very patient but it works and works every time.

The size of the scar will also influence the time it takes to completely heal back to normal skin. I would persist until the scar is gone and no visual or palpable evidence is present.

As this is the first publication on scar regeneration ever seen there are no standard values. The worse case is the triple surgery I had on my abdomen. It will likely take about 5 years but you still you win.

Of course the process can be done by yourself. I think it helps to have a GP watch it too but they are very inhibited so it may be a losing proposition.

You will need to just use your judgment. I am really interested in your case from what you tell me.

I would like to follow you along all the way. Please send pictures by all means. Especially before you start.

Scars at disadvantageous places can be dealt with individually. I had a scar on my face which was easy to treat. I put Lugol’s on and only if I was going out socially did I rub a moist Vitamin C tablet on it to remove the stain.
Then when I returned home I reapplied the Lugol’s iodine solution and there was no change in the process doing this.

You have stumbled on the answer to scars. No one else has any idea about this.

I think if I follow you I can answer questions as we go. There are so many applications for iodine it is blinding.

See if you can find the other article – if you don’t find it I will get the exact reference for you.

It is worth you time and money to get a good camera with good magnifying capabilities. I have been using Nikon Cool pix exclusively with megapixel capability of about 8.0 and then get good at taking close up pictures.
You will learn all sorts of things never seen by anyone before.

I hope the helps.

David"


"I appear to be the only one working on this field at present I hope my paper will induce others to take up this new area of research.

The scars completely disappear back to normal tissue. The more complicated the scar then the longer the regeneration takes. It is slow but it works every time and on all scars that I am aware of.

No harm in consulting your GP -- let him or her read the article as well. It is self explanatory so they should be keen to try it as well.

Let me know how you make out.

I hope this is of some help to you.

Best wishes

David"

Yeah, I hope it helps someone here. Maybe there is a solution at the moment. I don't know.
Wish you all the best.

Neo

[Scars4Life]

Hey Neo,

Amazing post by the way, deeply appriciate the contribution.

But back to the topic. This really seems to be too good to be true, and if its true i wouldn't even mind walking around with stains all over my face, I can't look much worse anyways.
But since you seem to have such a close connection to him, I was wondering if you could enlighten me on how it would help sunken acne scars. I completely believe that there should be a topical application to the scar which could eliminate the scarred skin and it might just be iodine, but it seems like the scar itself could potentially be healed and look like the rest of the skin, but at the same time still be sunken as it has not regenerated fat, muscle etc.

But if it does, does it mean it will regenerate it back to the way it was before the injury, with the the pores and complete functionality (release sweat etc.), which I think it should if it's actually restoring hair at the site too, or is it more of a cosmetical accomplishment. Don't get me wrong it doesn't really matter to me, as long as you get results, but it's just good to know to understand what this actually does.

So yeah, I hope to receive some feedback, and once again thanks. Keep it up.

Edited by Scars4Life, 08 November 2009 - 03:33 AM.

[seabs135]

Hello everyone,

in my last post I talked about scar regeneration with topical iodine. I promised to post the email answers from Dr Derry, the man who wrote the regarding paper.
Here are his own words:

"I chose Lugol’s because it worked. I have tried other methods but not seriously.
Why not try the SSKI and see how you get on. I would be interested.

The small black dots are so small you have to nearly have a magnifying glass to see them.

Best wishes
Davied"

"I put mine on before bed.
Stretch marks will heal I am sure with iodine as well. Your healing may go faster than normal as the scar is not complicated by disruption by surgical incision.

It will be interesting to see.

David"


"The plastic wrap is not important. It goes at the same speed with and without the wrap. The plastic wrap makes it more photogenic.
I have used the cover story that my dermatologist told me this was the best treatment for the scars.
Under the arm would be difficult to wrap.
I would forget the wrap. I have a feeling which I need to confirm that putting Vaseline over it works well.

I found that if the stain color disappeared the process stopped. So I put it on every day. The stain does not disappear into the tissues it disappears into the air.
The stain color is all important.
I hope that helps.

David"

"I just couldn’t justify putting in a picture of normal skin. It proves nothing – I could have just made it up!

I don’t know if you have seen the more complete paper in the Journal of Medical Hypothesis but if not that is worth a look. It is a summary of roughly where I am with the process.

This material as you can guess is completely new.

Scar healing time depends on the complexity of the scar. The straight forward plastic surgeon scar took close to a year. One has to be very patient but it works and works every time.

The size of the scar will also influence the time it takes to completely heal back to normal skin. I would persist until the scar is gone and no visual or palpable evidence is present.

As this is the first publication on scar regeneration ever seen there are no standard values. The worse case is the triple surgery I had on my abdomen. It will likely take about 5 years but you still you win.

Of course the process can be done by yourself. I think it helps to have a GP watch it too but they are very inhibited so it may be a losing proposition.

You will need to just use your judgment. I am really interested in your case from what you tell me.

I would like to follow you along all the way. Please send pictures by all means. Especially before you start.

Scars at disadvantageous places can be dealt with individually. I had a scar on my face which was easy to treat. I put Lugol’s on and only if I was going out socially did I rub a moist Vitamin C tablet on it to remove the stain.
Then when I returned home I reapplied the Lugol’s iodine solution and there was no change in the process doing this.

You have stumbled on the answer to scars. No one else has any idea about this.

I think if I follow you I can answer questions as we go. There are so many applications for iodine it is blinding.

See if you can find the other article – if you don’t find it I will get the exact reference for you.

It is worth you time and money to get a good camera with good magnifying capabilities. I have been using Nikon Cool pix exclusively with megapixel capability of about 8.0 and then get good at taking close up pictures.
You will learn all sorts of things never seen by anyone before.

I hope the helps.

David"


"I appear to be the only one working on this field at present I hope my paper will induce others to take up this new area of research.

The scars completely disappear back to normal tissue. The more complicated the scar then the longer the regeneration takes. It is slow but it works every time and on all scars that I am aware of.

No harm in consulting your GP -- let him or her read the article as well. It is self explanatory so they should be keen to try it as well.

Let me know how you make out.

I hope this is of some help to you.

Best wishes

David"

Yeah, I hope it helps someone here. Maybe there is a solution at the moment. I don't know.
Wish you all the best.

Neo

Nice post, I'm going to give it a try.

I have read something somewhere, secondhand, that iodine flattens keliods. I also read cited by Dr Derry's paper that there was some soldier in the civil war who was painted with it and did not scar... (Yet in the mean time we try the advertised increments...)

Maybe there is something in this whilst I'm waiting for non crosslinked ECM? I hope it is as I have no time for incremental products.

Perhaps this will remove the need for incremental (laser 2002, laser 2012, laser 2012.2 add name etc) treatments, by simply restoring the ECM by removing excess collagen from the fibrils and enabling our stemcells and intercellular cells to nit the site specific tissues like it does in non scarred tissues that have non crosslinked collagen.

Perhaps this is a thing that brings a wound, that induces decorin or behaves like decorin (which has proven to stop scarring), which brings in plasmin, which slowly dissolves any excess collagen on the fibrils forming enabling the stem cells and intercellular cells to create site specific tissue we need.

Perhaps this is the thing that slowly wounds removes scarring, denies scarring and just lets our intercvellular cells get on with regenerating like they do in normal non scarred skin without the need for laser.

I'm giving this a shot.

Edited by seabs135, 08 November 2009 - 11:26 AM.

[NeoMike]

Hi Scars4Life & Seabs,

I think I will send you his last paper published in the Journal of Medical Hypothesis. I received
it yesterday and it's really good for the understanding of the whole process.

He treats his own scars and scars of friends. His scars are indented too. So no problem with the
acne scars. The regeneration works on every scar to his understanding. But the time to regenerate differs. A normal excision scar, which looks like a line, needs maximum a year. Derry himself has a really huge abdominal scar and he predicts it will need up to 5 years, just like he wrote me.

In his paper he offers two ways to get rid of the staining if you need to. He had one scar on his face. So your problem with the facial acne scarring and the staining will be a small one.

I will send both of you his paper. Then you can see for your self if it is something for you.

Good luck and best wishes.

NEO

[Hakuchibijin]

Hi Scars4Life & Seabs,

I think I will send you his last paper published in the Journal of Medical Hypothesis. I received
it yesterday and it's really good for the understanding of the whole process.

He treats his own scars and scars of friends. His scars are indented too. So no problem with the
acne scars. The regeneration works on every scar to his understanding. But the time to regenerate differs. A normal excision scar, which looks like a line, needs maximum a year. Derry himself has a really huge abdominal scar and he predicts it will need up to 5 years, just like he wrote me.

In his paper he offers two ways to get rid of the staining if you need to. He had one scar on his face. So your problem with the facial acne scarring and the staining will be a small one.

I will send both of you his paper. Then you can see for your self if it is something for you.

Good luck and best wishes.

NEO

Hi NeoMike. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

I would be very interested in reading this paper as well.

I have been trying this on a very small indented scar on my thigh for 5 days now, and I can see that something is clearly going on. I have tried copper-peptides and microneedling/dermarolling on this scar previously with no result.

I'm using DMSO to get the iodine to penetrate the tissue better, remembering that BRD wrote something about this in older posts on this board, and then I cover it up with plastic wrap.

Edited by Hakuchibijin, 08 November 2009 - 08:16 PM.

[zhou]

Hey Neo, I would much appreciate it if you could forward me this paper as well?

Thank you

[Millie12]

Neomike--can you ask dr. derry if he is concerned about side effects from iodine? I was really excited to try this until I read iodine messes with your thyroid, and that even applying it topically can raise your blood level.

[Scars4Life]

Though there are always side effects for anything of this nature, its kind of odd for this case, as iodine is actually used to treat some thyroid diseases. And we consume iodine all the time, if we lack it that's when we may get some thyroid problems, like enlarged thyroid glands etc.

Common knowledge: too much of anything is usually never good.
If there may be a problem, you could just use a lower percentage form of iodine to accomodate for how long you'll be using it.

[Millie12]

Though there are always side effects for anything of this nature, its kind of odd for this case, as iodine is actually used to treat some thyroid diseases. And we consume iodine all the time, if we lack it that's when we may get some thyroid problems, like enlarged thyroid glands etc.

Common knowledge: too much of anything is usually never good.
If there may be a problem, you could just use a lower percentage form of iodine to accomodate for how long you'll be using it.

It's true that iodine is in some foods, but only in very very small amounts. It's almost impossible to overdose on iodine from food alone. Lugol's solution, on the other hand, is very concentrated, and can even be fatal if enough is ingested.

At the very least, chronic excess iodine can lead to hyperthyroidism, which is a fairly serious condition. The worst case scenario is iodine toxicity, which has been reported in burn victims /people with wounds who apply iodine as a disinfectant.

I really hope applying lugol's solution to intact skin long-term isn't harmful, but I am not sure at this point.

[AI3forever]

Where can I get this Lugol's Solution? I dont live in the U.S

[NeoMike]

Hello people,

you asked me many,many questions. And I will try to answer everyone of them.
Is think I should start a new thread if more of you are interested.

Two guys I have send the paper.

One point I will try to answer first is the thing if iodine is good or bad for the health
of a human being. I will have to look up the exact words from Dr Derry, but he mentioned
something like, the lugol's dilution would bruise on normal skin but that's nothing to worry about.
He suggest to to talk to a doctor to have a look on it during the process.

I will post his words from the last paper or someone else will do it in the next days.

For everyone who wants the paper, please send me your emailadress via pm, because I don't know how to do it with the messenger here.

Best wishes


NEO

Edited by NeoMike, 09 November 2009 - 09:01 PM.

[Scars4Life]

There seems to be not much being mentioned on side effects, and the whole article seems to give the impression that everything should go fine.

As for one mentioning of unwanted effects, here is what the paper says:

"To every biological rule there are exceptions. On two occasions during the night while the author laid on his side some regenate material slid down under the wrap to the wrap’s periphery. That meant regenate material was on normal non regenerating tissue. This first causes itchiness and if ignored in a couple of days causes a red rash.

Remove plastic wrap, rinse whole abdomen and rash gently with tepid water to remove regenate material. Most cortisone creams will work but the author used betamethasone Valerate 0.1% (Betaderm 0.1% cream) cream applied to the rash 2–3 times a day until clear (about 2 days). Then regeneration was started again. This phenomenon is rare but worth mentioning and means nothing except regenate material in the wrong place can cause a problem, which is easily solved."

[NeoMike]

Hi Scars4Life,

you don't need to use the wrap, as he told me.
"The plastic wrap is not important. It goes at the same speed with and without the wrap. The plastic wrap makes it more photogenic."

So, I would not care about it. I think I will make a new thread for this in the next days.

And I will also send the paper to the rest of you. I think I will order some lugol's dilution in the next days and test it on one scar. After 4 days it should start getting red.

If anyone tries this approach it would be a good idea to post it and give a status report on it while the process is proceeding.

I think everyone is a little bit sceptical on this but maybe it works and this would really be a awsome thing. You can stop and start regenration at will, so a try will be the least thing we can do.

What do you think?

So long.


NEO

[Franklins Tower]

Acell uploaded more regeneration photos to their site.

[NeoMike]

Where?

[Franklins Tower]

Where?

http://acell.com/pandr_surgery.html

Click on the data sheets on the left

[seabs135]

Where?

http://acell.com/pandr_surgery.html

Click on the data sheets on the left

I've been trying for the last hour or two to see them... Anyone else having difficulty?

[lac]

Hello everyone,

I am a stranger here. I have been surfing this thread because I am curious about Acell's possible usage for fighting male pattern baldness.




This iodine thing interests me just as much as Acell now.

The doc offhandedly refers to his iodine treatment "causing new hair growth around the scar" or something to that effect. He says it as if that was a minor footnote, but it would be nothing short of amazing if we are talking about actual scalp hair. Even the rejuvenation of preexisting weakened scalp follicles would be a VERY big deal if it's happening to any visible degree.

I realize the doc was probably speaking of body hairs around the scarring in his comments, but the mere possibility of this stuff also being able to cause scalp hair effects is extremely tantalizing.



Can anyone offer any further elaboration on the hair issue? Comments on the specifics of trying this at home? So far the instructions presented have not gotten a whole lot more specific than "topical lugol's solution" but what exactly are we talking about here?

-- Eyedropping small amounts onto the scar and blotting it into place, rubbing away the excess or big stains with water afterwards? Dropping it on there, and then leaving it there wet as it fell?

-- Once a day? Morning & nightly? Repeatedly throughout the day as much as necessary to keep the area wet or stained, even if you're redoing it every hour?

-- Straight lugols, or diluted in some way? Diluted with what?

-- Are there any thoughts on what this stuff might do differently to unscarred skin (and thus, for the hair purposes I'm after)?



I know you're in the infancy of the iodine experiments here but I am very eager to see where this might lead. A natural substance that effectively works to rejuvenate one type of skin problem might work on another.

Edited by lac, 14 November 2009 - 01:18 AM.