2975 replies to this topic

[v_singh]

what do you mean 'you cant get regeneration if there is scaring' .. do you mean scar tissue that is still left over from excision ... so all the scar tissue must be removed and then Acell applied = 100% scar free skin ? .... sounds too good to be tru lol

[Tom_Mason]

reply to v_singh
"so all the scar tissue must be removed and then Acell applied = 100% scar free skin ? .... sounds too good to be tru lol"

Thats basically it. Seabs wrote a really good summary of this thread, its in my first post, I highly recommend you read to fill you in on how acell works. So what country are you in now? There are plenty of members in the U.S who are willing to try it only they could not get hold of any acell. I assume your prepared to send it to someone willing to test it out.

[v_singh]

reply to v_singh
"so all the scar tissue must be removed and then Acell applied = 100% scar free skin ? .... sounds too good to be tru lol"

Thats basically it. Seabs wrote a really good summary of this thread, its in my first post, I highly recommend you read to fill you in on how acell works. So what country are you in now? There are plenty of members in the U.S who are willing to try it only they could not get hold of any acell. I assume your prepared to send it to someone willing to test it out.

Hi, thanks for the reply, im gonna read thru the summary as soon as possible.
BTW im in London, England. if you are in the US you can quite easily get hold of it. you just have to find a derm who is willing to test it out on you and get them to email Acell requesting the product. Or you can just get your doctor/hospital to put the order in for you and then you can take it to any derm who is willing to use it. Mike Manning emailed me saying:

Our MatriStem® medical products are now available by prescription through your physician, hospital or clinic. Please visit our website, www.acell.com, for additional information.

[v_singh]

another thing ... how does acell work to get rid of pitted/atrophic scaring. i was reading over the first couple pages of this thread and it seems that pitted scars are much harder to treat then surgical or other types of scars. can anyone explain why acne scars cause a pit/dent and how it is different to surgical scars/flat scars ? What would hasve to be done to raise the pitted scar to the level of the healthy surrouding skin ? it has to be more then just a bit a scar tissue in the skin that is causing the dent right ? how does acell overcome these problems ?

[AI3forever]

another thing ... how does acell work to get rid of pitted/atrophic scaring. i was reading over the first couple pages of this thread and it seems that pitted scars are much harder to treat then surgical or other types of scars. can anyone explain why acne scars cause a pit/dent and how it is different to surgical scars/flat scars ? What would hasve to be done to raise the pitted scar to the level of the healthy surrouding skin ? it has to be more then just a bit a scar tissue in the skin that is causing the dent right ? how does acell overcome these problems ?

Acne scars cause a pit/dent due to lost of fats/muscles. For hypertropic scarring, it is an overexpression of collagen fibers during the healing process causing a lump of scar tissue that protrudes from the skin.

Anyway, acell would deal with these, if the whole skin is excised along with any scar tissue and allowed to regenerate with the ECM.

[v_singh]

umm ... so your saying Acell regenerates fat and muscle and skin back to perfect order ??? my scars are a number of years old and i also have loads of large pores (this is actually my main problem with my skin) which are really pissin me off becuase they look exacty the same as the ice pick scars i have. Does acell get rid or large pores aswell ? if it does im going to try this out as soon as possible.

Also how would you prevent an infection when using Acell since you have to use it on an open wound ?

Edited by v_singh, 01 October 2009 - 10:23 AM.

[Maldition]

there is newness about ...avotermin (phase 3) ?? or ...apligraf??... decorina?? osteopontina?? fetuin??????? histatin ??????? those products are a part of the miracle...

apligraf and avotermin maybe the miracle....and no one say nothing and no search ...

Edited by eterna_maldicion, 03 October 2009 - 12:30 PM.

[v_singh]

there is newness about ...avotermin (phase 3) ?? or ...apligraf??... decorina?? osteopontina?? fetuin??????? histatin ??????? those products are a part of the miracle...

apligraf and avotermin maybe the miracle....and no one say nothing and no search ...

what ?

[NeoMike]

Hello everyone,

I have read the whole thread and find the topic very interesting.
So I thought I have to contribute something to this. Has anyone
heard of scar regeneration through the use of topical iodine?

A Canadian doctor named Dr.Derry wrote a paper with the titel
"Regeneration of human scar tissue with topical iodine". In this
paper he shows how scars can be regenerated by the use of lugol's
dilution. I have emailed him and asked him several questions.http://www.thyroidscience.com/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf

I think, I will post some of them here soon. He really said, that every scar
can be regenerated by the topical treatment with lugol's dilution.
Read through the paper and tell me, what you think.

What about the ACELL stuff?? Anybody using this? I come from Germany.
There is no opportunity to get ACELL yet. Maybe someday soon. I have
many scars but not from acne on the body. I would do a test if it is possible
to get matristem.

I hope you will go one posting here, because it is a good place for people
who want to get informed about scar relating topcis. Perhaps we will
have scarfree healing soon.

So long

NEO


Ps.: Can anyone tell me how to creat a link here.

Edited by NeoMike, 20 October 2009 - 10:48 AM.

[seabs135]

Hello everyone,

I have read the whole thread and find the topic very interesting.
So I thought I have to contribute something to this. Has anyone
heard of scar regeneration through the use of topical iodine?

A Canadian doctor named Dr.Derry wrote a paper with the titel
"Regeneration of human scar tissue with topical iodine". In this
paper he shows how scars can be regenerated by the use of lugol's
dilution. I have emailed him and asked him several questions.http://www.thyroidscience.com/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf

I think, I will post some of them here soon. He really said, that every scar
can be regenerated by the topical treatment with lugol's dilution.
Read through the paper and tell me, what you think.

What about the ACELL stuff?? Anybody using this? I come from Germany.
There is no opportunity to get ACELL yet. Maybe someday soon. I have
many scars but not from acne on the body. I would do a test if it is possible
to get matristem.

I hope you will go one posting here, because it is a good place for people
who want to get informed about scar relating topcis. Perhaps we will
have scarfree healing soon.

So long

NEO


Ps.: Can anyone tell me how to creat a link here.

Welcome Neo,

I think you just post the url if you want to post a link.

Regarding Acell with international shipping, it should be soon. Saying they have signed a marketing and distribution agreement.

[katiekat]

NeoMike, I posted this link a while back, but nobody responed to it. http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/...0641-5/abstract






[quote name='NeoMike' date='Oct 20 2009, 10:35 AM' post='2733577']
Hello everyone,

I have read the whole thread and find the topic very interesting.
So I thought I have to contribute something to this. Has anyone
heard of scar regeneration through the use of topical iodine?

A Canadian doctor named Dr.Derry wrote a paper with the titel
"Regeneration of human scar tissue with topical iodine". In this
paper he shows how scars can be regenerated by the use of lugol's
dilution. I have emailed him and asked him several questions.http://www.thyroidscience.com/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf

I think, I will post some of them here soon. He really said, that every scar
can be regenerated by the topical treatment with lugol's dilution.
Read through the paper and tell me, what you think.

What about the ACELL stuff?? Anybody using this? I come from Germany.
There is no opportunity to get ACELL yet. Maybe someday soon. I have
many scars but not from acne on the body. I would do a test if it is possible
to get matristem.

I hope you will go one posting here, because it is a good place for people
who want to get informed about scar relating topcis. Perhaps we will
have scarfree healing soon.

So long

NEO

ps.: Can anyone tell me how to creat a link hes link a

Edited by katiekat, 22 October 2009 - 10:04 AM.

[NeoMike]

hello katiekat,

as I said, I emailed Dr. Derry and he answered all of my questions. He said, that after 3-4 days
after applying lugol's dilution for each day the scars became reddened, every scar. So to his understanding there was new bloodflow in the scars. The start of regeneration? In his paper
he tried to show that it's really the start of scar regeneration. He used lugol's dilution for several month and saw new hair follicle in the scars and around the scars. If he stopped using topical iodine then the scar healed in the normal adult scar formation way. The regeneration could be started at will.

www.thyroidscience.com/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf

I think I will have to look up my old emails from him. There are 3 papers. 2 published in the "thyroidscience" and the newest one, you mentioned it, that was published in the journal "medical hypothesis".

Like you I am reading a lot about the topic. Shortly I will be a biologist, and so I have and will have direct access to most of the published data and papers about nearly every topic. I worked in the clinical field concerning breast cancer and developmental biology, especially the development of the nervous system of drosophila melanogaster. There you have stem cells like neuroblasts too. I find it interesting that in some model organisms like c. elegans you can follow the way of each stem cell. In humans this is much more complex.

One thing a the end I want to tell, some kind of an anecdote. Some days ago I talked to someone who I know from studying biology. He works in the field of matrix biology. And he told me that he explores proteases which can lead a wound to get scarred or not. I had a smile in my face. I never knew that there was some group at our university working on this field directly.
But as you can see, you never know.

Ps.: I'm sorry that you can not click on the link. I don't really knwo how to do it.*g*

Edited by NeoMike, 21 October 2009 - 03:39 PM.

[Changelife]

Does anybody know, if it is also possible to use normal 10% iodine (povidone-iodine) solution, because the lugol's solution is not avaible in my country. Thanks

[snowqueen]

Can this iodine solution be used on stretch marks?

edited to add: Eh, forget it, there is no miracle cure.

Edited by snowqueen, 22 October 2009 - 10:38 AM.

[NeoMike]

@all

I will respond to your questions in the next days.

To your question changelife:

I can't believe, that there should be no way to purchase lugol's dilution in your country. If other iodine based products work? I don't know.
To your question concerning stretchmarks. I asked him the same question and he believes that it should regenerate stretchmarks as well. It would work more quickly than with normal scars. He never tried it on stretchmarks, but he strongly believes it will work too.

@snowqueen: I don't know to what your answer is belonging. I think there are therapies for stretchmarks like micro needling or maybe topical iodine. Who knows what's around the corner.

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1456607#i

I hope this link works. In this community you can read the papers of Dr.Derry.

I wish you all the best.

[Changelife]

@NeoMike and maybe other users

Thanks. You are right, although there is no comercial-medication avaible, it is possible to order a mixture of lugols solution at the drugstore. Wikipedia says that it consists of 5g iodine, 10 g potassium iodine and 85 ml distilled water. I don't exactly know the percentage concerning iodine concentration, but I think it has to be between 10-15%, which is very strong and not healthy to use it in long term. So my question are, is it really as unhealthy as I expect? Should I dilute it with distilled water (maybe half of the origin percentage)? Is this treatment really adequate to treat old pitted scars? If not maybe additional needling is necessary to make the difference. Thanks again.

Edited by Changelife, 23 October 2009 - 04:35 AM.

[AI3forever]

Hey anyone living in the U.S with acne scars, why dont u contact Dr Hitzig. He claims he can remove scars with acell and he might be willing to have an appointment with you guys.

[Datura]

Hey anyone living in the U.S with acne scars, why dont u contact Dr Hitzig. He claims he can remove scars with acell and he might be willing to have an appointment with you guys.

I looked him up. If this is the Dr. you are talking about: http://www.nyhairloss.com/aboutdr.htm, it sounds like he specializes in hairloss. Where do you get the idea that he has experience using acell on acne scars?

[seabs135]

Hey anyone living in the U.S with acne scars, why dont u contact Dr Hitzig. He claims he can remove scars with acell and he might be willing to have an appointment with you guys.

I looked him up. If this is the Dr. you are talking about: http://www.nyhairloss.com/aboutdr.htm, it sounds like he specializes in hairloss. Where do you get the idea that he has experience using acell on acne scars?

A scar is a hyper over expression of collagen on the collagen fibrils, this hyper over expression then stops the intercellular cells crawling through the collagen to make site specific tissue.

A scar is a scar. All scarring is an over expression of collagen. Acne or not. If something works on one scar 1 x 2 etc, it will work on another scar 1x2 etc.

Surely if he is working on scarring he could logically work with acne scarring?

Edited by seabs135, 31 October 2009 - 11:55 AM.

[AI3forever]

Hey anyone living in the U.S with acne scars, why dont u contact Dr Hitzig. He claims he can remove scars with acell and he might be willing to have an appointment with you guys.

I looked him up. If this is the Dr. you are talking about: http://www.nyhairloss.com/aboutdr.htm, it sounds like he specializes in hairloss. Where do you get the idea that he has experience using acell on acne scars?

A scar is a hyper over expression of collagen on the collagen fibrils, this hyper over expression then stops the intercellular cells crawling through the collagen to make site specific tissue.

A scar is a scar. All scarring is an over expression of collagen. Acne or not. If something works on one scar 1 x 2 etc, it will work on another scar 1x2 etc.

Surely if he is working on scarring he could logically work with acne scarring?

Yeah, thats the point, if he can regenerate a previous scar on the scalp to the point it has hair. It is proof of regeneration.

Guys, we need your action and participation. If you could contact Dr. Hitzig he will be more and willing to help you.