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[BigBeauty]

I agree romeo. I just didn't want to be rude to you about your diet you ate alot of gluten products good for you that your re-doing your diet!

Thanks You should have said something before, it's okay if your rude. Rather you be rude than me suffer haha =). I need to do a little waking up, because it's often we make mistakes and not even realize it. If you see anything else wrong let me know! Thanks by the way

I tried that zinc cream before for a few weeks. All it did was irritate and overdry my skin even when applying it only every other day.

I've been taking OptiZinc 30-50 mg for about 4 months now. I have no idea if it is really helping or not. All I can be sure of is it definitely didn't clear me up! My diet is so damn sexy now, I'm probably getting enough zinc anyway and probably will drop it. Its worth a try though, you never know what might work for you.

The studies are nuts though. 440mg and 600mg??? I thought the upper limit was like around 100 mg?

Yeah, they took it too far, much like the b5 studies. I guess we should just walk away with the fact that we just need zinc in our diet lol

How is your diet like now as opposed to before, do share!

Before: Fast food at least 2-3 times a week, tons of processed foods, microwaved diners, way too many high GI foods, etc.

Now (for about 4 months now): Only fresh whole foods, a good 10+ servings of fresh veggies and fruits, wild salmon, natural grass-fed beef, natural chicken, sprouted bread, oats, barley but allow myself to cheat maybe once a week on average (although I no longer have a desire to eat crap foods, just cheat out of convenience when I have no time or with friends). No sugar (use stevia to sweeten), olive and coconut oil, and ghee. Very minimal dairy.

Acne: slight improvement
Mood/Energy: MUCH better
Hypoglycemic symptons: Almost completely gone

[NdnRomeo]

Before: Fast food at least 2-3 times a week, tons of processed foods, microwaved diners, way too many high GI foods, etc.

Now (for about 4 months now): Only fresh whole foods, a good 10+ servings of fresh veggies and fruits, wild salmon, natural grass-fed beef, natural chicken, sprouted bread, oats, barley but allow myself to cheat maybe once a week on average (although I no longer have a desire to eat crap foods, just cheat out of convenience when I have no time or with friends). No sugar (use stevia to sweeten), olive and coconut oil, and ghee. Very minimal dairy.

Acne: slight improvement
Mood/Energy: MUCH better
Hypoglycemic symptons: Almost completely gone

That is an amazing shift, I'm proud of you, seriously, most people can never change their diet no matter what, it's so hard for them! Props on the good change!

[femme25]

My dad is very much into nutrition and has all sorts of knowledge about this stuff, he had me start taking zinc many years ago to fend off infections and help my immune system. He had told me that more than 50mg a day is a waste, and if anything will simply give you a metallic aftertaste in your mouth when you eat certain foods. Recently I came across someone saying zinc deficiencies may be linked to acne and without thinking I took 100mg/day for about a month and could NOT figure out why everything tasted funny. Talked to Le dad and yep, he nailed it when I mentioned the supplements I was taking.

HE thinks I should take it two days on/one day off to ward off copper levels dropping but I have yet to do this - I just take them every night as usual. But I NEEEEEEED to get copper. Once I FIND the stupid stuff I will do so.

Interesting stuff, romeo!

[DckSteel]

There is a relation between Zinc and Sex. Sperm contains an amazing 5mg of zinc. So for those who orgasm alot, they will have zinc deficiency. When u are deficient in Zinc u will have problems, growing, remembering things, u will have white marks on yer fingernails and u will have oily skin. If you are one of those people who masterbate or have sex alot you are probably defficient in zinc and need to take a supplement.

Zinc and Sperm

Zinc is an antioxidant mineral that is also important in protecting sperm against free radical attack. Semen is rich in zinc, with each ejaculate containing 5 mg ­ one third of the recommended daily nutrient intake. This would imply that it plays an important role in sperm health. Three additional functions of zinc have been discovered apart from its important antioxidant one:

the recommended sources of zinc are:

The following forms of this mineral are good to treat acne according to experiments and researchers:

* Zinc Gluconate
* Opti- Zinc or Zinc Monomethionine

i have more information and links on zinc and doses and all that, PM me if u want more info.
P.S. techinically Sperm can be used topically for acne. So dont be so afraid of it ladies. (or guys)

[NdnRomeo]

There is a relation between Zinc and Sex. Sperm contains an amazing 5mg of zinc. So for those who orgasm alot, they will have zinc deficiency. When u are deficient in Zinc u will have problems, growing, remembering things, u will have white marks on yer fingernails and u will have oily skin. If you are one of those people who masterbate or have sex alot you are probably defficient in zinc and need to take a supplement.

Zinc and Sperm

Zinc is an antioxidant mineral that is also important in protecting sperm against free radical attack. Semen is rich in zinc, with each ejaculate containing 5 mg ­ one third of the recommended daily nutrient intake. This would imply that it plays an important role in sperm health. Three additional functions of zinc have been discovered apart from its important antioxidant one:

the recommended sources of zinc are:

The following forms of this mineral are good to treat acne according to experiments and researchers:

* Zinc Gluconate
* Opti- Zinc or Zinc Monomethionine

i have more information and links on zinc and doses and all that, PM me if u want more info.
P.S. techinically Sperm can be used topically for acne. So dont be so afraid of it ladies. (or guys)

LOL, you single handedly found the relation to why some people get acne after they masturbate. Tell 'em to take some zinc and then they can masturbate.

And lol, first they recommended pee for acne, now sperm... I'm afraid of what's next.

[dancedd]

There is a relation between Zinc and Sex. Sperm contains an amazing 5mg of zinc. So for those who orgasm alot, they will have zinc deficiency. When u are deficient in Zinc u will have problems, growing, remembering things, u will have white marks on yer fingernails and u will have oily skin. If you are one of those people who masterbate or have sex alot you are probably defficient in zinc and need to take a supplement.

Zinc and Sperm

Zinc is an antioxidant mineral that is also important in protecting sperm against free radical attack. Semen is rich in zinc, with each ejaculate containing 5 mg ­ one third of the recommended daily nutrient intake. This would imply that it plays an important role in sperm health. Three additional functions of zinc have been discovered apart from its important antioxidant one:

the recommended sources of zinc are:

The following forms of this mineral are good to treat acne according to experiments and researchers:

* Zinc Gluconate
* Opti- Zinc or Zinc Monomethionine

i have more information and links on zinc and doses and all that, PM me if u want more info.
P.S. techinically Sperm can be used topically for acne. So dont be so afraid of it ladies. (or guys)

I think u should eat your own cumm!! lol

There is a relation between Zinc and Sex. Sperm contains an amazing 5mg of zinc. So for those who orgasm alot, they will have zinc deficiency. When u are deficient in Zinc u will have problems, growing, remembering things, u will have white marks on yer fingernails and u will have oily skin. If you are one of those people who masterbate or have sex alot you are probably defficient in zinc and need to take a supplement.

Zinc and Sperm

Zinc is an antioxidant mineral that is also important in protecting sperm against free radical attack. Semen is rich in zinc, with each ejaculate containing 5 mg ­ one third of the recommended daily nutrient intake. This would imply that it plays an important role in sperm health. Three additional functions of zinc have been discovered apart from its important antioxidant one:

the recommended sources of zinc are:

The following forms of this mineral are good to treat acne according to experiments and researchers:

* Zinc Gluconate
* Opti- Zinc or Zinc Monomethionine

i have more information and links on zinc and doses and all that, PM me if u want more info.
P.S. techinically Sperm can be used topically for acne. So dont be so afraid of it ladies. (or guys)

LOL, you single handedly found the relation to why some people get acne after they masturbate. Tell 'em to take some zinc and then they can masturbate.

And lol, first they recommended pee for acne, now sperm... I'm afraid of what's next.

next...... poo!

[NdnRomeo]

But no, that was a great find. If you have any more please do post some. It does make sense, however, that we can be so easily depleted, and since it's so essential, it's sad that we don't get enough in our diet

[Self Conscious]

So this will also help our sperm to be healthier? Or we are are just better overall with it. Kind of like with the o3's.

[DckSteel]

But no, that was a great find. If you have any more please do post some. It does make sense, however, that we can be so easily depleted, and since it's so essential, it's sad that we don't get enough in our diet

its sad and hard to replenish our zinc levels to the daily recommended values especially when they are so easily wasted. here are some links that you might find useful

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/large_pores.html
http://www.beautyfeast.com/acne/Zinc-Acne.htm
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent....;chunkiid=21654
http://www.mashmagazine.com/00april/aprilzinc.html
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/acne3.html
http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/Healt...p;Lifestyle.htm
http://www.carefair.com/Skincare/Skin-type...y_Skin_903.html

i have more too. but first try those ones on for size.

[NdnRomeo]

But no, that was a great find. If you have any more please do post some. It does make sense, however, that we can be so easily depleted, and since it's so essential, it's sad that we don't get enough in our diet

its sad and hard to replenish our zinc levels to the daily recommended values especially when they are so easily wasted. here are some links that you might find useful

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/large_pores.html
http://www.beautyfeast.com/acne/Zinc-Acne.htm
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent....;chunkiid=21654
http://www.mashmagazine.com/00april/aprilzinc.html
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/acne3.html
http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/Healt...p;Lifestyle.htm
http://www.carefair.com/Skincare/Skin-type...y_Skin_903.html

i have more too. but first try those ones on for size.

Beautiful links! Thank you so much, I remember the one about the girl getting help from the hair dresser, that was interesting. I will look through those in depth tomorrow when I have full focus so I can understand and retain most of it.

Also, one question, do you happen to know what the prefered dosage is? People say 50, then some say 100.

Also, how beneficial is copper if you take 100 mg? I've also heard that they compete for absorption so they must be taken at different times, any validity to that?

[DckSteel]

So this will also help our sperm to be healthier? Or we are are just better overall with it. Kind of like with the o3's.

it will improve many things. energy levels, memory, appetite, growth, sperm quality and quantity, oily/dry skin. and also , if u got 'em which might be a sign of zinc deficiency, it will get rid of the little white lines on yer fingernails son wha-bam! im rick james bitch.

enjoy yo'self.

[strider1]

But no, that was a great find. If you have any more please do post some. It does make sense, however, that we can be so easily depleted, and since it's so essential, it's sad that we don't get enough in our diet

its sad and hard to replenish our zinc levels to the daily recommended values especially when they are so easily wasted. here are some links that you might find useful

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/large_pores.html
http://www.beautyfeast.com/acne/Zinc-Acne.htm
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent....;chunkiid=21654
http://www.mashmagazine.com/00april/aprilzinc.html
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/acne3.html
http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/Healt...p;Lifestyle.htm
http://www.carefair.com/Skincare/Skin-type...y_Skin_903.html

i have more too. but first try those ones on for size.

Beautiful links! Thank you so much, I remember the one about the girl getting help from the hair dresser, that was interesting. I will look through those in depth tomorrow when I have full focus so I can understand and retain most of it.

Also, one question, do you happen to know what the prefered dosage is? People say 50, then some say 100.

Also, how beneficial is copper if you take 100 mg? I've also heard that they compete for absorption so they must be taken at different times, any validity to that?

I hear you should aim around 50 mg. http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdi...p=Jump+to+Board is the vitamin and supp boards...thought it might be interesting for you maybe.

[Candide]

Just thought I'd add my experiences which I posted in another zinc thread:

"Quite possibly is the zinc! When I started taking it I had very good results within a week, but took up to a month to get the full effects. In my first week I took 25mg, then I upped to 50mg. At that level you need to watch out for copper depletion - many multivitamins (which you should take anyway) have the 2mg of copper you will need if you're taking 50+mg of zinc.

As pointed out here, its best to take zinc after a meal, as it can cause stomach upsets (I haven't personally had this problem, and have occasionally taken them on an empty stomach without problem).

Also avoid taking it with any milk products or food that is high in calcium, as zinc and calcium compete for absorption (with calcium usually winning by the sheer quantity).

Also the form of zinc you're taking can be important. I take chelated zinc gluconate: the gluconate part is important... you can get other forms but apparently gluconate is the best for rapid digestion/absorption. I can't remember where I read that but there are a couple of studies if you google it.

I'm currently phasing in fish oil, but zinc has been the thing that has cured the majority of my acne. Good luck !"

I'm currently reading through the stickied fish oil thread, and just recently upped my dose to 1.5mg of omega 3s. Zinc cured 90% of my acne, but it was mostly facial acne, had only a minor effect on my back acne. Unfortunately once I began with the omega 3 fish oil I had a small breakout after a week... woke up with 3 or 4 whiteheads which was very unusual (don't normally get whiteheads and haven't had that many in one night in months and months). I think that was just an initial reaction though, spent 2 weeks on 1g omega 3 and things have calmed down again, upping to 1.5g and see what happens.

For the most part though, zinc was my cure. HOWEVER it just seemed to prevent new blemished: whiteheads, cystic acne (which I had a small amount of). Blackheads were still a problem, and I still got heavy oil production (something which the omega 3s have definately helped).

I'm currently reading through the fish oil thread (upto page 63 ), I'll post my experiences there eventually. Omega 3 is definately good for reducing/changing oil production, and zinc is excellent for reducing blemishes.

[Listener]

There is a relation between Zinc and Sex. Sperm contains an amazing 5mg of zinc. So for those who orgasm alot, they will have zinc deficiency. When u are deficient in Zinc u will have problems, growing, remembering things, u will have white marks on yer fingernails and u will have oily skin. If you are one of those people who masterbate or have sex alot you are probably defficient in zinc and need to take a supplement.

Zinc and Sperm

Zinc is an antioxidant mineral that is also important in protecting sperm against free radical attack. Semen is rich in zinc, with each ejaculate containing 5 mg ­ one third of the recommended daily nutrient intake. This would imply that it plays an important role in sperm health. Three additional functions of zinc have been discovered apart from its important antioxidant one:

the recommended sources of zinc are:

The following forms of this mineral are good to treat acne according to experiments and researchers:

* Zinc Gluconate
* Opti- Zinc or Zinc Monomethionine

i have more information and links on zinc and doses and all that, PM me if u want more info.
P.S. techinically Sperm can be used topically for acne. So dont be so afraid of it ladies. (or guys)

Great info dude!

Dudes this is exciting stuff.

I am researching this like mad and i'm sure others are aswell.
We need to find stuff out like 'how much is can be taken safely', 'side effects of too much', 'what other supplements need to be taken with it (e.g. copper)'

I like that reference also about grains etc.. preventing zinc absorption, hence the paleo and atkins diet helping acne.... maybe it isn't hyperinsulinemia alone... maybe this zinc thing.

[NdnRomeo]

Thank you so much I am now looking into how zinc and calcium interact specifically and exactly how much gets blocked

In a second study, zinc absorption dropped by half when a group of 10 men and women took a calcium supplement with a single test meal. But adding nearly 8 mg of zinc to the calcium supplement offset this effect.

So basically, the offset is 8 mg of zinc maximum even with a HIGH dosage of calcium. In relativity, Calcium supplements have 500 to 600 mg of calcium per supplement.
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp...p;id=prod389385

A glass of 2% milk has about 300 mg of calcium, so the offset is 4 mg of zinc.

I am finding this out for general knowledge, and because there will be times it will be hard to avoid to take without dairy in some meals. Especially breakfast.

I also find it interesting, how too much of x blocks y and too much of y blocks z, etc. I guess the key word is balance.

Also, I found more information:

Minimize inhibitors of zinc absorption by avoiding calcium supplements or eating calcium-rich foods in combination with foods high in zinc or high phytate foods. Use wheat germ instead of wheat bran, which contains significant quantities of phytates.

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/specialdie...rian/index.html

Apparently foods high in phytate block zinc absorption too.

Zinc
Zinc is found in meat and milk products. Although zinc is also found in whole grains and legumes, the fiber and phytic acid that is also present decreases its absorption.

http://www.virginactive.co.za/get_healthy/...on_smartveg.htm


Study done on calcium AND phytate's and zinc absorption
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract

Confirmation of the critical molar ratios as indexes of the bioavailability of zinc in human diets has not been established by experimentation. However, if the data from animal studies are applicable to human diets, the present study suggests that phytate has little influence on zinc bioavailability of most American diets. In contrast, the mean phytate:zinc and phytate X calcium:zinc millimolar ratios of all vegetarian diets were above the proposed critical levels. Those data, therefore, suggest that phytate might increase the risk of impaired zinc bioavailability for vegetarians consuming a relatively high level of calcium.

Also, more information on how much gets blocked in TOTAL

HOW MUCH AND WHEN SHOULD I SUPPLEMENT WITH ZINC?

Children and adults need between 10 mg. and 50 mg. daily. Though the recommended daily value is 15 mg., it is generally recognized that 30 to 50% of ingested zinc is not absorbed due to the complexing with phytic acid, perspiration loss, fiber transport through the intestine, or because of the competition for absorption with copper, iron and calcium.

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/minera...00_Spec023.html

In Conclusion:

So essentially, though calcium blockage only accounts for 4 mg (8%) of the entire problem, 15 mg (30%) up to 25 mg (50%) may be blocked from other sources, leaving you with at least 25 mg of usable zinc by the body, which is overly adequate since the RDA requirement is only 11 mg + (link)

Cool! Man, without the Internet, I'd be so ignorant

[NdnRomeo]

My dad is very much into nutrition and has all sorts of knowledge about this stuff, he had me start taking zinc many years ago to fend off infections and help my immune system. He had told me that more than 50mg a day is a waste, and if anything will simply give you a metallic aftertaste in your mouth when you eat certain foods. Recently I came across someone saying zinc deficiencies may be linked to acne and without thinking I took 100mg/day for about a month and could NOT figure out why everything tasted funny. Talked to Le dad and yep, he nailed it when I mentioned the supplements I was taking.

HE thinks I should take it two days on/one day off to ward off copper levels dropping but I have yet to do this - I just take them every night as usual. But I NEEEEEEED to get copper. Once I FIND the stupid stuff I will do so.

Interesting stuff, romeo!

Your dad is smart

[Listener]

Hmm.. calcium. Interesting stuff. I was actually just researching calcium but not connected to zinc. I've been taking calcium supplements for a while cos i cut out dairy.

[Axelhack]

My multi has 20mg of zinc in it. My diet is pretty good, I try (I forget so many times) to take the calcium and magnesium pills at night. Been bad about my fish oil would it be a bad idea for when I go to the walmart to find some 30mg pills and take it in the evening? (I typically take my vitamin in the morning/lunch time depending on mood)

Once again, you've made a great topic.

[alternativista]

Apparently foods high in phytate block zinc absorption too.

They chelate metals, as do many other things like Cilantro. Look up Oral Chelation, which will mostly be about Mercury detoxification.

Some Zinc forms are bound with another nutrient such as an amino acid that resists chelation.
Optizinc is bound with L-Methionine. Milk contains things that bind it too, but how well is a question. Look up Zinc Binding Ligands.

This is about milk: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/5/869

Also, if your grains are properly soaked, the phytic acid will be broken down before you eat them. Irisht oats, for example, are traditionally soaked overnight if not longer.

[Listener]

Apparently foods high in phytate block zinc absorption too.

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:UH3uZ7X...;cd=1&gl=uk

Phytic acid is present in things like bread and cereal. Things that have in the past been linked to acne.