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[THEREALCURE]

Many people think they have it but they dont. WHat happens is when u stop eating processed sugar, and grains after 3 days after that, ur suffer serious hypoglycemia for a few days up to a week because u have to much insulin in the blood and its kinda like a healing crises reaction.. After that time period it goes away in most people. The numnber one apsect of health in controllin insulin levels, thats why u need to avoid all grains, starchy vegetables and abviously al processed food.

[LiliVG]

According to this study: http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/4/879
overweight/obese people have lower IGF-1 levels than normal weight people. IGF-1 triggers hyper-keratinization of the pores, which is the first stage in the development of acne. Many people on this forum have notice that heavier people don't seem to get acne nearly so often ('m not saying they never do, there are always exceptions). Could this be why? Heavier weight = less IGF-1 = fewer blocked pores = less acne?

[calla lily]

^That's what I was thinking earlier.

[Danny©]

insulin is a hormone.

even fat people are insulin resistant.

Few fat people or many fat people?

Many to all. You do know that many people are fat as a result of being insulin resistant, right?

How is that possible? It wouldn't make much sense to become fat because of insulin resistance.
Many people are insuling resistant as a result of their fatness, and when it is not obvious it is because it is visceral fatness.

Insulin resistance can indeed be considered a protective mechanism used by the body to prevent further weight gain. In insuling resistance there's a downregulation of receptors.
A downregulation of receptors can be consider as a closed door with a sign "we're full".
So insulin resistance doesn't lead to weight gain being what it is actually trying to prevent.
It's the weight gain that at some point lead the "extreme measure" of shutting down so many receptors.

[Legend]

insulin is a hormone.

even fat people are insulin resistant.

Few fat people or many fat people?

Many to all. You do know that many people are fat as a result of being insulin resistant, right?

How is that possible? It wouldn't make much sense to become fat because of insulin resistance.
Many people are insuling resistant as a result of their fatness, and when it is not obvious it is because it is visceral fatness.

Insulin resistance can indeed be considered a protective mechanism used by the body to prevent further weight gain. In insuling resistance there's a downregulation of receptors.
A downregulation of receptors can be consider as a closed door with a sign "we're full".
So insulin resistance doesn't lead to weight gain being what it is actually trying to prevent.
It's the weight gain that at some point lead the "extreme measure" of shutting down so many receptors.

Chicken and the egg, which came first?

Over time people came become insulin resistant for a variety of reasons. If one were to continually consume high amounts of processed carbs or a carb/oil combo, cells would reject the glucose being transported to the cells ("we're full"). The glycogen is then converted into triglycerides and stored as body fat. Additionally muscles too become resistant to uptake, predisposing them towards atrophy, thereby reducing caloric expenditure. The person in question needs more and more sugar rushes to feel energetic, so caloric intake increases.

More calories + less calories consumed = mcfatsville

It doesn't help when many people these days consume foods sweetened by high fructose corn syrup. Fructose that is found in nature is in small, harmless amounts. Fructose in large quantities becomes a problem because of its metabolic pathway. It is slow to digest, but goes to fill the liver's energy stores only.

[limpbizkitfan]

So basically I'm insulin resistent and this is probably why I have acne...because I have trouble gaining weight and am skinny...so I probably have an excess amount of androgens which lead to acne, right?

[bobbi364]

When I ate a low fiber diet, back when I had acne, my acne did get significantly worse. Once I added carbs back to my diet my face cleared up a little bit, however, not fully. IGF-1 can play a factor in acne, however to what extent? That would be different in every individual.

[k3tchup]

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

Edited by k3tchup, 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM.

[Timehealsall]

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

I have heard that eating cinammon (in form of pills) after every meal helps?

[limpbizkitfan]

Timehealsall, on 31 January 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

I have heard that eating cinammon (in form of pills) after every meal helps?

y does it have to be in a pill?

[Timehealsall]

it doesn't, but i read it is easier to measure (i.e. .5 g) after every meal in pill form instead of measuring it urself in real cinnamon? not sure though

[k3tchup]

Timehealsall, on 31 January 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

k3tchup, on 30 January 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

this is a 4 year old thread. but i will reply with my own side, my own opinion

However before i neglected my skin then (17 and on) i could (and still can) eat anything i want and nothing ever happened. Ever. Im talking eat 4 big mac's and asking for the main course afterwards let alone desert. I hardly ate any fruit, To tell you the truth the first time i had a whole real apple was last July. My eating habits were terrible but my waiste never showed it. If anything social services was going to take me away for being underweight and malnurished. Insulin resistance? Maybe so but not totally connected to teens and acne. Not for me.

Now, maybe as im older i take more concern in what i eat, i avoid dairy not only because i think it might have a connection to me anyway but also my body does not deal well with it. Lactose moreless as i have had an ultra sound x2 on my galbladder and been told to take it easy on high fats and dairy.

Today i probably walk 2miles a day not including what i do at work (nurse). I do moderate excercise and eat more greens, veggies, and take care of my skin but i do get breakouts and i cannot simply nail it from what ive eatten. I cant.

So back to this, maybe, but not all skinny people are like this. But im not denying this either,

One might ask is how to increase a person's body to not be so insulin resistant.

I have heard that eating cinammon (in form of pills) after every meal helps?

cinnamon is a strong anti-inflammatory. I read an article once that the affects of cinnamon stay in the body for up to 14 days! Though im sure you would have to eat alot of it.

I guess one could relate it to tumeric in a lesser way. Though i hear applying it with a tumeric mask helps. I tried that method but it didnt help any because mine is related more towards clogged pores that are exfloliating too much/not enough.

[alternativista]

k3tchup, on 31 January 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

cinnamon is a strong anti-inflammatory. I read an article once that the affects of cinnamon stay in the body for up to 14 days! Though im sure you would have to eat alot of it.

I guess one could relate it to tumeric in a lesser way. Though i hear applying it with a tumeric mask helps. I tried that method but it didnt help any because mine is related more towards clogged pores that are exfloliating too much/not enough.

No, not in a lesser way at all. Tumeric is a very potent anti-inflammatory. As is pretty much all herbs, spices, teas and nearly every thing from a plant that isn't a seed, isn't poisonous and that you aren't allergic to.

Stop worrying about benefits of this spice or that and start using a lot of herbs and spices, drink all kinds teas and eat colorful veggies and fruits. The same applies to whichever berry they currently tell you has the most antioxidants. Forget they hype. There'll all good.

[Timehealsall]

alternativista, on 31 January 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

k3tchup, on 31 January 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

cinnamon is a strong anti-inflammatory. I read an article once that the affects of cinnamon stay in the body for up to 14 days! Though im sure you would have to eat alot of it.

I guess one could relate it to tumeric in a lesser way. Though i hear applying it with a tumeric mask helps. I tried that method but it didnt help any because mine is related more towards clogged pores that are exfloliating too much/not enough.

No, not in a lesser way at all. Tumeric is a very potent anti-inflammatory. As is pretty much all herbs, spices, teas and nearly every thing from a plant that isn't a seed, isn't poisonous and that you aren't allergic to.

Stop worrying about benefits of this spice or that and start using a lot of herbs and spices, drink all kinds teas and eat colorful veggies and fruits. The same applies to whichever berry they currently tell you has the most antioxidants. Forget they hype. There'll all good.

i actually heard/read that blueberries are actually not the same blueberries that they were YEARS AGO. I mean, blueberries nowadays are HUGE compared to what they used to be. They are also filled with massive suger.

Which spices do you reccomend to be the most useful? Do any of them interact with one another?

Also, do you agree with the idea that eating cinnamon after a meal helps keep your insulin in check (especially for those who are insulin resistant)?

I have also heard somewhere (maybe it isnt legit though) that some spices/herbs aren't good for ALL individuals

[k3tchup]

Timehealsall, on 31 January 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

alternativista, on 31 January 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

k3tchup, on 31 January 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

cinnamon is a strong anti-inflammatory. I read an article once that the affects of cinnamon stay in the body for up to 14 days! Though im sure you would have to eat alot of it.

I guess one could relate it to tumeric in a lesser way. Though i hear applying it with a tumeric mask helps. I tried that method but it didnt help any because mine is related more towards clogged pores that are exfloliating too much/not enough.

No, not in a lesser way at all. Tumeric is a very potent anti-inflammatory. As is pretty much all herbs, spices, teas and nearly every thing from a plant that isn't a seed, isn't poisonous and that you aren't allergic to.

Stop worrying about benefits of this spice or that and start using a lot of herbs and spices, drink all kinds teas and eat colorful veggies and fruits. The same applies to whichever berry they currently tell you has the most antioxidants. Forget they hype. There'll all good.

i actually heard/read that blueberries are actually not the same blueberries that they were YEARS AGO. I mean, blueberries nowadays are HUGE compared to what they used to be. They are also filled with massive suger.

Which spices do you reccomend to be the most useful? Do any of them interact with one another?

Also, do you agree with the idea that eating cinnamon after a meal helps keep your insulin in check (especially for those who are insulin resistant)?

I have also heard somewhere (maybe it isnt legit though) that some spices/herbs aren't good for ALL individuals

depends on the person i guess. lots of spices are anti-inflammatory which is what you want.like i said ive tried tumeric but it didnt do much, theres a whole thread on that but it just depends on the individual.

[alternativista]

k3tchup, on 31 January 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

depends on the person i guess. lots of spices are anti-inflammatory which is what you want.like i said ive tried tumeric but it didnt do much, theres a whole thread on that but it just depends on the individual.

You can't see the inflammation it is fighting. And it is not individual.

Edited by alternativista, 01 February 2012 - 11:30 AM.

[diareads]

I have hypoglycemia. How much is this related to hormones? (--also how does this tie into everything being discussed? cuz i know it does) I believe this might have a lil to do with my acne because a lot of it is hormonally realated but i am trying to figure out how. I have been thinking about seeing a endocrinologist but I am not exactly sure what to ask them....cant just go in and say I have hypoglycemia...fix my acne please

...sounds like a dream if it just worked that way

[k3tchup]

alternativista, on 01 February 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

k3tchup, on 31 January 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

depends on the person i guess. lots of spices are anti-inflammatory which is what you want.like i said ive tried tumeric but it didnt do much, theres a whole thread on that but it just depends on the individual.

You can't see the inflammation it is fighting. And it is not individual.

spices could depend upon the individual. example is tumeric. works for some but not others like me. Took it as a supplement w/ biopepperine for 4 months. nothing. I also added it to the water i drank, practically anything i could think of. Nothing. Used it as a mask then. Nothing.

Not all spices, herbs or whatever have the same affect on everyone.



regardless of the above the MAIN point im interested in is HOW to become less insulin resistant, food has little affect on my skin these days. I think hormones have more of a role in that but thats also miminal. What i would like to see is what things can combat both not as a full time solo acne treatment but just as another step in preventing it. FOr me its always been exfloliating and clogged pores.
I find b5 reduces the oil that would normally contribute to me developing nodules and SA that helps keep me clear. Every thing else i use is for maintenance and healing of my past battle.


Its a life long battle and i like having all the information in my arsenal, even stuff that has little affect(visible affect) to combat it in a long term way.


@diareads. go to the doc and just explain your information,and how it relates to yourself. Dont to offensive or overbearing but just say that this is how my skin is and that the science behind it is right. what can i do to aid in my fight and prevention. be straight forward and upfront. Dont be shy.

Edited by k3tchup, 03 February 2012 - 04:56 PM.

[alternativista]

k3tchup, on 03 February 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

spices could depend upon the individual. example is tumeric. works for some but not others like me. Took it as a supplement w/ biopepperine for 4 months. nothing.

Antioxidants work on everyone. The only way tumeric would not be anti-inflammatory for you is if you is if you are allergic to it. And you wouldn't necessarily know how much it did for the level of chronic inflammation in you. you can't see it.

If you are saying it didn't clear your skin, that's probably true. I doubt it clears anyone's skin. it's just something really beneficial.

Edited by alternativista, 04 February 2012 - 04:33 PM.