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[KnowShow]

On our very own Acne.org theres a section called acne myths where it says that diet, washing your face more often, masterbation or sex, and stress do not attribute to acne. This is completely and utterly false and it should be changed. It's okay Dan, the medical community claims this, so why wouldn't you believe that its true right? Well its false, all those studies are completely flawed and they're made to go in the favor of doctors and pharmaceutical companies.. . . ... .



Myth: Acne is related to diet
Reality: Prevailing wisdom in the dermatology community is that diet and acne are not related. Of course science is never a 100% reliable enterprise. But at this time, there is no evidence that chocolate, sugar, oil, milk, seafood, or any other food causes acne. Some people absolutely insist that a certain food causes acne for them, or that a specific acne diet works for them. In this case, doctors sometimes recommend that they avoid that food or follow that diet. Regarding chocolate specifically, several studies have been performed, and the answer to "does chocolate cause pimples?" is a resounding "No".

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[Danny©]

On our very own Acne.org theres a section called acne myths where it says that diet, washing your face more often, masterbation or sex, and stress do not attribute to acne. This is completely and utterly false and it should be changed. It's okay Dan, the medical community claims this, so why wouldn't you believe that its true right? Well its false, all those studies are completely flawed and they're made to go in the favor of doctors and pharmaceutical companies.. . . ... .



Myth: Acne is related to diet
Reality: Prevailing wisdom in the dermatology community is that diet and acne are not related. Of course science is never a 100% reliable enterprise. But at this time, there is no evidence that chocolate, sugar, oil, milk, seafood, or any other food causes acne. Some people absolutely insist that a certain food causes acne for them, or that a specific acne diet works for them. In this case, doctors sometimes recommend that they avoid that food or follow that diet. Regarding chocolate specifically, several studies have been performed, and the answer to "does chocolate cause pimples?" is a resounding "No".

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Haha ... several studies ... lol ... two 30 years old studies, that's their source on acne and diet
And they were flawed because none of that studies addressed the fundamental factors involved in the development of acne and the influence of food and dietary nutrients on them

Danny

[Time4HighSelfEsteem]

I have to agree with know show. once i started eating differently, my acne became mild.

[dogsncats]

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO REVISE THIS COMPLETELY FALSE AND MISLEADING STUDY!!!! THERE ARE ONLY COUNTLESS PEOPLE WHO'VE CLEARED THEIR SKIN VIA DIET INCLUDING MYSELF. I HAVE LOST SO MUCH FAITH IN MAINSTREAM MEDICINE. IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THE CONNECTION. HOPEFULLY SOME DOCTA WILL DO A STUDY AND PROVE THE CONNECTION BEFORE 2050. WHOEVER DOES IT WILL PROBABLY BECOME FAMOUS AND A BILLIONAIRE, BUT WHATEVER......AT LEAST THEY'LL FORGET ABOUT THAT TERRIBLE AND BADLY STRUCTURED CHOCOLATE STUDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Femina Mala Est]

Read his bulletin at the top of this forum:

Due to popular demand, I decided to make a diet and acne connection forum, but I wanted to also let everyone know that in my personal experience diet and are not related. I am not saying that diet and acne are never related. I am simply saying in my experience, it makes no difference what I eat.

I spent many years avoiding foods sometimes considered "bad" for acne including chocolate, sugar, and fried foods. Basically, whatever I would read someone say caused acne for them I would immediately cut out of my diet. This created a lot of stress and social embarassment at times. The worst part is that none of my diet restrictions ever helped my acne. Now I can stay completely clear with the regimen and eat whatever I want.

The field of diet and acne has not been broadly studied, and more studies need to be done. In the meantime, I would be hesitant to jump on someone's diet bandwagon since there is no conclusive evidence to date that diet and acne are related. Still, I look forward to reading what people discover and can share in this forum.

And enough with the conspiracy theories. The medical establishment isn't perfect, but they aren't out to suppress anything that might suggest acne can be treated without drugs. There is very little profit in the sale of acne medication relative to the big cash cows like allergy medications, male-enhancement, and heart medication. Why do you think these are the ones always being advertised? Antibiotics and retin-A would sell perfectly fine for their originally intended uses: infection and aging. They don't depend on you as a market.

Your paranoia gives this part of the forum a bad image.

[Danny©]

Since the "chocolate study" was used to prove/disprove a connection when the "chocolate study" was debanked it didn't mean that a connection between acne and diet had to be proven and in the meanwhile the theory that acne and diet are not related had to be accepted, but it meant that a lack of a connection between diet and acne had to be proven

[KnowShow]

Read his bulletin at the top of this forum:

Due to popular demand, I decided to make a diet and acne connection forum, but I wanted to also let everyone know that in my personal experience diet and are not related. I am not saying that diet and acne are never related. I am simply saying in my experience, it makes no difference what I eat.

I spent many years avoiding foods sometimes considered "bad" for acne including chocolate, sugar, and fried foods. Basically, whatever I would read someone say caused acne for them I would immediately cut out of my diet. This created a lot of stress and social embarassment at times. The worst part is that none of my diet restrictions ever helped my acne. Now I can stay completely clear with the regimen and eat whatever I want.

The field of diet and acne has not been broadly studied, and more studies need to be done. In the meantime, I would be hesitant to jump on someone's diet bandwagon since there is no conclusive evidence to date that diet and acne are related. Still, I look forward to reading what people discover and can share in this forum.

And enough with the conspiracy theories. The medical establishment isn't perfect, but they aren't out to suppress anything that might suggest acne can be treated without drugs. There is very little profit in the sale of acne medication relative to the big cash cows like allergy medications, male-enhancement, and heart medication. Why do you think these are the ones always being advertised? Antibiotics and retin-A would sell perfectly fine for their originally intended uses: infection and aging. They don't depend on you as a market.

Your paranoia gives this part of the forum a bad image.

You are a complete moron. . Plain and simple, I almost feel bad for you.. Every time someone mentions diet and acne, in this forum and others you are so quick to deny the connection. Why?? I wonder. Because you try to deny the fact that you could have stopped your acne by changing your diet, but just didn't have the willpower to do so. \Like Dan and many others, you went and cut things out of your diet but didn't realize that EVERYTHING in your diet was causing acne. I do not break out unless I eat anything other than RAW FOOD and it can only be fruit, some vegetables, egg yolks, non frozen sashimi, and honey. EVERYTHING I WAS EATING BEFORE WAS CAUSING ME TO BREAK OUT. It only takes one food. So an elimination diet does not work, unless there's one thing making you break out. What you really need to do is to eliminate ALL FOODS THAT CAUSE ACNE for 2 weeks. Then you may try adding foods into your diet to see how you react. Sorry, I too wish you learned diet would effect your acne a long time ago. This may be very harsh, but you are very hateful in your posts, and the truth hurts.. you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one in the conspiracy theory. Are you completely retarded?? You think that the medical industry doesn't know about the connection between diet and EVERYTHING. Do you think they would make half as much money if everyone didn't get sick, and have all these problems. Wake up.

And Dan, is just like the medical industry. He gets a cut of all products sold through this website at pharmacy.com or sum bullshit. So if everyone here was on a diet to clear their acne, guess what.... No money for Dan . . . Same thing.

[09rules]

You are a complete moron. . Plain and simple, I almost feel bad for you.. Every time someone mentions diet and acne, in this forum and others you are so quick to deny the connection. Why?? I wonder. Because you try to deny the fact that you could have stopped your acne by changing your diet, but just didn't have the willpower to do so. \Like Dan and many others, you went and cut things out of your diet but didn't realize that EVERYTHING in your diet was causing acne. I do not break out unless I eat anything other than RAW FOOD and it can only be fruit, some vegetables, egg yolks, non frozen sashimi, and honey. EVERYTHING I WAS EATING BEFORE WAS CAUSING ME TO BREAK OUT. It only takes one food. So an elimination diet does not work, unless there's one thing making you break out. What you really need to do is to eliminate ALL FOODS THAT CAUSE ACNE for 2 weeks. Then you may try adding foods into your diet to see how you react. Sorry, I too wish you learned diet would effect your acne a long time ago. This may be very harsh, but you are very hateful in your posts, and the truth hurts.. you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one in the conspiracy theory. Are you completely retarded?? You think that the medical industry doesn't know about the connection between diet and EVERYTHING. Do you think they would make half as much money if everyone didn't get sick, and have all these problems. Wake up.

And Dan, is just like the medical industry. He gets a cut of all products sold through this website at pharmacy.com or sum bullshit. So if everyone here was on a diet to clear their acne, guess what.... No money for Dan . . . Same thing.

So much anger! Sucks for you that you can only eat a few things. And don't say "retarded." It's very disrespectful to those with disabilities. Acne is individualized, so not everyone has the diet connection, same way not everyone has an exercise connection, a hormone connection, a lifestyle connection, or a product connection. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

BTW, how do you eliminate "ALL foods that cause acne for 2 weeks" if you can't even figure out which ones they are in the first place. Might as well stop eating for two weeks and see how good your skin looks! Elmination diet IS the right approach.

In my experience in the pharmaceutical industry (albeit limited) the people that do the research aren't out to make money... the money that products make fund research for other products and the operating costs of keeping products on the market. Drug companies with a blockbuster drug inevitably have drugs in their pipelines that are for conditions with MUCH smaller markets, because making people better is the ultimate goal. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

[Ell-]

hmmmmm......

Who is Dan?

I'm taking science in school and am around many doctors etc and believe it or not all but 2 of those I talked to refuse to acknowledge diet can affect acne in some people. My own derm and family doctor who I used to see constantly about my skin never once asked me what my diet is like, I just got topicals which never cleared me 100 percent. It can be pretty frustrating since you rely on these people to find the source of your problem NOT to mask it.

Here is what I can say. If I do not eat dairy or high GI foods my skin is clear, not better but clear. If I do consume these foods my skin starts to form nodules. Ive done many experiments on myself to test if this is a coincidence and can finally say NO it is not.

Needless to say most acne websites and most doctors are still going to continue saying diet is not correlated with acne because their research informs them otherwise. I say, do some more research, unbias research in which you increase your power and Type II Error.

As for the "conspiracy theory" I wouldnt call it that. Drug companies depend on the public to consume their drugs It doesnt mean that the whole medical field is corrup but its business and business is greedy, they don't even hide that from us at school. The drug commercials are amusing as well. Check how much money is made from drug distribution each year compared to other resources.

[JBHK]

Myth: Acne is related to diet
Reality: Prevailing wisdom in the dermatology community is that diet and acne are not related. Of course science is never a 100% reliable enterprise. But at this time, there is no evidence that chocolate, sugar, oil, milk, seafood, or any other food causes acne. Some people absolutely insist that a certain food causes acne for them, or that a specific acne diet works for them. In this case, doctors sometimes recommend that they avoid that food or follow that diet. Regarding chocolate specifically, several studies have been performed, and the answer to "does chocolate cause pimples?" is a resounding "No".

This statement is actually fairly accurate. Perhaps the one change I would make is to change the word "evidence" to "proof". There is no proof that acne is related to diet although certain studies have suggested a link. However, prevailing wisdom amongst doctors IS that acne and diet are not related. He acknowledges that some people insist on the connection and his advice to those people is to follow the relevant diet. However, Dan shouldn't state something as fact when it hasn't been established as so.

You may have had success treating your acne through your diet but that does not mean that people who have not successfully done so have failed because a lack of willpower - it is insulting for you to say so. You accuse others of making angry and hurtful posts but you are the one who describes others as "morons" and "retarded".

I am pleased that you have had success with your diet of fruit, veg, egg yolks, non frozen sashimi, and honey. However, a key aspect in finding effective treatments for any disease is to consider to what extent most people can reasonably comply with the treatment in question. For example, if acne could be cured by going to the moon, that is great. However, since the vast majority of acne sufferers will not be going to the moon any time soon, such a treatment would be useless. The same applies to highly restricted diets. Most people are not going to be able to (and frankly most would not want to) only eat the foods listed above in order to avoid acne - and thats OK. Life is, after all, meant for living rather than for just avoiding acne.

[KnowShow]

You are a complete moron. . Plain and simple, I almost feel bad for you.. Every time someone mentions diet and acne, in this forum and others you are so quick to deny the connection. Why?? I wonder. Because you try to deny the fact that you could have stopped your acne by changing your diet, but just didn't have the willpower to do so. \Like Dan and many others, you went and cut things out of your diet but didn't realize that EVERYTHING in your diet was causing acne. I do not break out unless I eat anything other than RAW FOOD and it can only be fruit, some vegetables, egg yolks, non frozen sashimi, and honey. EVERYTHING I WAS EATING BEFORE WAS CAUSING ME TO BREAK OUT. It only takes one food. So an elimination diet does not work, unless there's one thing making you break out. What you really need to do is to eliminate ALL FOODS THAT CAUSE ACNE for 2 weeks. Then you may try adding foods into your diet to see how you react. Sorry, I too wish you learned diet would effect your acne a long time ago. This may be very harsh, but you are very hateful in your posts, and the truth hurts.. you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one in the conspiracy theory. Are you completely retarded?? You think that the medical industry doesn't know about the connection between diet and EVERYTHING. Do you think they would make half as much money if everyone didn't get sick, and have all these problems. Wake up.

And Dan, is just like the medical industry. He gets a cut of all products sold through this website at pharmacy.com or sum bullshit. So if everyone here was on a diet to clear their acne, guess what.... No money for Dan . . . Same thing.

So much anger! Sucks for you that you can only eat a few things. And don't say "retarded." It's very disrespectful to those with disabilities. Acne is individualized, so not everyone has the diet connection, same way not everyone has an exercise connection, a hormone connection, a lifestyle connection, or a product connection. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

BTW, how do you eliminate "ALL foods that cause acne for 2 weeks" if you can't even figure out which ones they are in the first place. Might as well stop eating for two weeks and see how good your skin looks! Elmination diet IS the right approach.

In my experience in the pharmaceutical industry (albeit limited) the people that do the research aren't out to make money... the money that products make fund research for other products and the operating costs of keeping products on the market. Drug companies with a blockbuster drug inevitably have drugs in their pipelines that are for conditions with MUCH smaller markets, because making people better is the ultimate goal. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

Your right there is alot of anger because I've been putting up with this ladys shit for too long and not saying anything. I agree retarded may offend someone, but it was actually a serious question. Acne is individualized you are right, but some claim 90% of acne is caused by diet, I would say 75%. Also I think that if ones acne was caused by something else diet would improve their acne no matter what. I've done an organic diet, lots of green, and fruits, lean meat, and guess what, broke out just as bad. I've done elimination diet, still broke out. Almost all cooked food will make some people break out. I then ate only food that does not cause acne and vwallah no more break outs.

You can figure out which foods DO NOT cause acne by going here www.freeacnebook.com . ELIMINATION DIET IS A WASTE OF TIME. There are so many cover ups and things you don't know about going on with the medical industry, the FDA, and our government. But I wouldn't expect narrow minded individuals conformed to believing everything around them is righteous to think outside the box.

THE DRUG COMPANIES FUND THE RESEARCH SHITFUCK

read this article about the pharma companies and tobacco companies and how they have the same tactics, different chemicals. http://www.newstarget.com/008291.html

wanna learn about the FDA here http://www.newstarget.com/the_FDA.html

how about the CIA involvement in bringing cocaine into the country after funding the farms in south america, then selling it to gang members in LA. I'll try to find the article.

This is a reminder to all members and poster on this forum. Please do not post on subjects you know NOTHING about. I've even had to learn this myself. Its just a waste of peoples time, including your own.

how about this: American Diabetes Association peddling nutritional nonsense while accepting money from manufacturer of candy and sodas http://www.newstarget.com/008164.html

I only made this post so that new people to the site wouldn't go and read that theres no connection between acne and diet. The point ?? to help people. Heres some great acne info I just found..

http://www.newstarget.com/acne.html

here we go. now the fda is taking bribes to approve drugs.. nice.

http://www.newstarget.com/z016676.html

[Femina Mala Est]

You are a complete moron. . Plain and simple, I almost feel bad for you.. Every time someone mentions diet and acne, in this forum and others you are so quick to deny the connection.

You're apparently reading what you want to see, as I've never once done that. I've only been quick to dismiss your conspiracy ramblings.

Why?? I wonder. Because you try to deny the fact that you could have stopped your acne by changing your diet, but just didn't have the willpower to do so.

I don't have acne, genius. I had one major breakout eight years ago that was largely due to a topical allergy and it was cured completely with prednisone and accutane. In case you're going to harass me as to why I'm here then, I came here for the scar treatment forum.

Like Dan and many others, you went and cut things out of your diet but didn't realize that EVERYTHING in your diet was causing acne.

Wrong. I've always dieted in accord with my athletic needs. I've never once tried an anti-acne diet; there wouldn't be much of a point, now would there?

Sorry, I too wish you learned diet would effect your acne a long time ago. This may be very harsh, but you are very hateful in your posts, and the truth hurts.. you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one in the conspiracy theory. Are you completely retarded??

Yep, I must be.

You think that the medical industry doesn't know about the connection between diet and EVERYTHING. Do you think they would make half as much money if everyone didn't get sick, and have all these problems. Wake up.

Never mind. It's not like I'm going to change your mind. I could write a thesis on how medical research is funded and the effects of chronic health problems correlated with diet on the healthcare system in the US, and the major sources of profit for privately run hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, but you don't give a shit. You're just here to rant, and I'm not a conspiracy theory website, so why would you believe me?

hmmmmm......

Who is Dan?

I'm taking science in school and am around many doctors etc and believe it or not all but 2 of those I talked to refuse to acknowledge diet can affect acne in some people. My own derm and family doctor who I used to see constantly about my skin never once asked me what my diet is like, I just got topicals which never cleared me 100 percent. It can be pretty frustrating since you rely on these people to find the source of your problem NOT to mask it.

The thing you have to remember about physicians is that, if they know anything of value, they are specialists. The people you see are dermatologists and they are terrific experts on skin pathology. That doesn't mean they know a whole lot more than you about the human digestive system if you've done any noticeable amount of research, or of the endocrine system or anything else. If you want a solution not directly related to what is happening in your skin and only in your skin, then a dermatologist is simply not the right person to see.

[kae_]

I don't have acne, genius.

Are you serious....? If you dont even have acne why are you parading around telling us that diet is not a determining factor in acne.

[Danny©]

I agree with KnowShow, not even medical students believe anymore that the ultimate goal of pharmaceutical industries is making people better, that's utopia at best that doesn't take in account how economy and institutions do work IMO
and if someone is still such an idealist to believe that if he/she will earn a Ph.D in medicine he/she will be able to find the funds to study a way to make people better with drugs they will hit the hard reality pretty soon
Even Bechamp knews the truth about how medicine establishment works
The USDA pyramid docet ...

[KnowShow]

You are a complete moron. . Plain and simple, I almost feel bad for you.. Every time someone mentions diet and acne, in this forum and others you are so quick to deny the connection.

You're apparently reading what you want to see, as I've never once done that. I've only been quick to dismiss your conspiracy ramblings.

KNOWSHOW:: As I said. In this forum and others. I will link your posts in a sec.

Why?? I wonder. Because you try to deny the fact that you could have stopped your acne by changing your diet, but just didn't have the willpower to do so.

I don't have acne, genius. I had one major breakout eight years ago that was largely due to a topical allergy and it was cured completely with prednisone and accutane. In case you're going to harass me as to why I'm here then, I came here for the scar treatment forum.

KNOWSHOW:: As I said. COULD HAVE STOPPED.. past tense genius. I bet you wish you cured it without toxic drugs and steroids.

Like Dan and many others, you went and cut things out of your diet but didn't realize that EVERYTHING in your diet was causing acne.

Wrong. I've always dieted in accord with my athletic needs. I've never once tried an anti-acne diet; there wouldn't be much of a point, now would there?

KNOWSHOW:: Then how can you say diet never effected you acne, as if you tried to get rid of your acne by diet. I'll find the post.


Sorry, I too wish you learned diet would effect your acne a long time ago. This may be very harsh, but you are very hateful in your posts, and the truth hurts.. you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one in the conspiracy theory. Are you completely retarded??

Yep, I must be.

KNOWSHOW:: obviously

You think that the medical industry doesn't know about the connection between diet and EVERYTHING. Do you think they would make half as much money if everyone didn't get sick, and have all these problems. Wake up.

Never mind. It's not like I'm going to change your mind. I could write a thesis on how medical research is funded and the effects of chronic health problems correlated with diet on the healthcare system in the US, and the major sources of profit for privately run hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, but you don't give a shit. You're just here to rant, and I'm not a conspiracy theory website, so why would you believe me?

your an idiot. plain and simple, like your mind. your quote says alot about you.

hmmmmm......

Who is Dan?

I'm taking science in school and am around many doctors etc and believe it or not all but 2 of those I talked to refuse to acknowledge diet can affect acne in some people. My own derm and family doctor who I used to see constantly about my skin never once asked me what my diet is like, I just got topicals which never cleared me 100 percent. It can be pretty frustrating since you rely on these people to find the source of your problem NOT to mask it.

The thing you have to remember about physicians is that, if they know anything of value, they are specialists. The people you see are dermatologists and they are terrific experts on skin pathology. That doesn't mean they know a whole lot more than you about the human digestive system if you've done any noticeable amount of research, or of the endocrine system or anything else. If you want a solution not directly related to what is happening in your skin and only in your skin, then a dermatologist is simply not the right person to see.

someon tell me how to make this post look better

[Danny©]

someon tell me how to make this post look better

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[SweetJade1980]

OK, it's fixed. I bolded your new additions within the quotes to make things easier.

[JBHK]

I only made this post so that new people to the site wouldn't go and read that theres no connection between acne and diet. The point ?? to help people. Heres some great acne info I just found..

http://www.newstarget.com/z016676.html

What people need to know is what Dan has said - there is no proven link between acne and diet although some people that they have successfully treated their acne in this way.

[~TEPL0~]

it's a known fact that drug companies only hire very attractive people as representatives, and regularly give doctors all kinds of gifts to promote their medicines.

The doctors try to be objective, but when you're bombarded by information, and even studies in medical journals are funded by drug companies, what can you do?

[Danny©]

I only made this post so that new people to the site wouldn't go and read that theres no connection between acne and diet. The point ?? to help people. Heres some great acne info I just found..

http://www.newstarget.com/z016676.html

What people need to know is what Dan has said - there is no proven link between acne and diet although some people that they have successfully treated their acne in this way.

Okay but the points are:

1) There no proven "lack of a link" between acne and diet so at least once can be "agnostic" not claim there's no link between diet and acne

2) The link has been proven by epidemiological studies

3) The reason why direct clinical control studies have not proven the link is that no one has ever made a clinical control study on acne and diet. The only two studies on acne and diet didn't address dietary factors that may help acne at all but three or less variabiles within the same unhealthy diet

4) There are no clinical control studies addressing those dietary factors that have been proven to influence diets in the epidemiological studies

5) The link between diet and acne has been deliberately ignored and the last flawed studies are 30 years old
Ignoring a link doesn't mean proving that link doesn't exist

Bottom line is that no one has ever showed that there's not a link between diet and acne even if "experts" act as if there was a proven lack of a link