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[Danny©]

You're lucky if your fat is concentrated in your chest and backside, but not all females are like that. Some carry weight in a kind of diffuse all over fashion so they actually just get bigger and puffier the heavier they get. Others gain weight in the waist, actually giving them less curve rather than more.

I've noticed women who are the most weight conscious are the ones who gain it in the 'wrong' spots. Instead of gaining fat in bad places, they'd rather just be skinny.

True, not all women gain weight the same way. Women tend to have more of a "layer" of fat around their whole body because, again, the whole "keep body warm for carrying babies" idea. When I said I didn't have boobs or hips back then I meant I was done growing but not done with puberty (the original poster is still developing her adult body).

Danny89, I think that the original poster wanted to know if she should lose the weight she gained to help her acne get better. You haven't said anything about that

I've replied about that too

but instead have ranted about body fat and misconceptions about healthy weights, etc. How does this help her, if she hasn't even stated that she does indeed have a high body fat percentage? (Which I think, however possible, is unlikely.) Advising her to lose weight without her finding this out is hypocritical of you.

Indeed, that's why I never advised her to lose weight
and anyway if her body fat levels *were* high I would advise them to gain weight not lose it
I suggested her just not to rely on body weight for a choice
Since the only info I have about her is her body weight advising her what to do would contradict my own words

You could be jeopardizing her health, confidence, and body image by suggesting that she has too much fat when you do not know whether she does or not.

I give people more credit than that. Overworrying about others when they're not worried themselves is just another way to discriminate their intelligence and feel superior
I won't jeopardize her health or confidence by claiming that you don't know whether you're fat or not by measuring your body weight on the scales. Nor this claim suggests I believe she is fat, lean, thin, overweight or whatever
If I were the author of the post I would feel offended that someone believe I'm that weak and dumb to be jeorpadized by info (not even suggestions on what to do or not to do) read on a forum

I have said it before, I don't like the TABU aura of this thread ... but not for me, but for the girl because I know that it's the paranoid attitude not mine that really triggers confidence and body image problems, being ignored and talked down instead of being informed and respected

Danny

True, not all women gain weight the same way. Women tend to have more of a "layer" of fat around their whole body because, again, the whole "keep body warm for carrying babies" idea. When I said I didn't have boobs or hips back then I meant I was done growing but not done with puberty (the original poster is still developing her adult body).

How do you know she's developing? From what she said she's probably 16 years old and many gilrs stop developing or growing in height at the age of 12 ... so you can't really know whether she's developing or not

Danny

[09rules]

If I were the author of the post I would feel offended that someone believe I'm that weak and dumb to be jeorpadized by info (not even suggestions on what to do or not to do) read on a forum

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How do you know she's developing? From what she said she's probably 16 years old and many gilrs stop developing or growing in height at the age of 12 ... so you can't really know whether she's developing or not

Danny

Well I hope she's not offended that someone believes she's in all likelihood beautiful and fine just the way she is, and hopes she will not attempt to change her shape out of a fear of having gained too much weight.

She said she just finished her freshman year of high school. That would make her 14 or at most 15, so *statistically* she's probably not done with puberty yet, unless she started menstruating at 10. Stopping growing vertically doesn't mean you've stopped developing. There's still hips and boobs to worry about. But you wouldn't have any experience with that, would you?

[Danny©]

If I were the author of the post I would feel offended that someone believe I'm that weak and dumb to be jeorpadized by info (not even suggestions on what to do or not to do) read on a forum

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How do you know she's developing? From what she said she's probably 16 years old and many gilrs stop developing or growing in height at the age of 12 ... so you can't really know whether she's developing or not

Danny

Well I hope she's not offended that someone believes she's in all likelihood beautiful and fine just the way she is, and hopes she will not attempt to change her shape out of a fear of having gained too much weight.

I never mentioned beauty or attractiveness in my post, I just discussed health
I would always choose healthy over aesthetic and I would sacrifice what's considered beautiful to be healthy
All I have said to lea is that scales weights is an useless parameter and that only when you know your body fat mass levels and lean body mass levels you can make an conscious choice
If she attemped to change her shape out of a fear of having gained too much weight she would be doing what I've criticized. How can she make a choice related to her weight by reading my posts when I keep repeating that weight is useless and it's stupid to make a choice based on how much you weigh?

In fact as I have said if she *found out* (it's just immagination, supposition, an example) to have an high body fat mass she would have to gain weight and change her body composition through exercise and not lose weight by undereating, which is stupid because hypocaloric diets don't make you lose fat, they just make your lose lean body mass increasing your fat

I've never suggested anyone to diet and I haven't diet myself when I changed my body, because I don't believe diet is healthy and it's just a myth that it works. If the people who diet to lose weight would measure their body composition after they have lost weight they would all realized that they have gained fat even if they now weigh less

But you wouldn't have any experience with that, would you?

I have cousins, sisters, classmates and many of them were completely developed their breasts included at that age, but yes they started their periods at 9 or 10 but usually a stop in vertical growth is connected to a stop in hormonal and body developing because growth plates close when puberty development ends

[dogsncats]

I have cousins, sisters, classmates and many of them were completely developed their breasts included at that age, but yes they started their periods at 9 or 10 but usually a stop in vertical growth is connected to a stop in hormonal and body developing because growth plates close when puberty development ends

They all started their periods at 9 or 10! Wherever you live, there is some DDT or other contaminants. That is way under average.

Many girls do develop after 14-15. Though I did get my adult sized body at 14, I remember a ton of 'stick' figure girls at that age. At around 18 they all filled out and by my freshman year at college most of the girls got their adult sized body and relatively slower metabolism.

[Danny©]

I have cousins, sisters, classmates and many of them were completely developed their breasts included at that age, but yes they started their periods at 9 or 10 but usually a stop in vertical growth is connected to a stop in hormonal and body developing because growth plates close when puberty development ends

They all started their periods at 9 or 10! Wherever you live, there is some DDT or other contaminants. That is way under average.

Many girls do develop after 14-15. Though I did get my adult sized body at 14, I remember a ton of 'stick' figure girls at that age. At around 18 they all filled out and by my freshman year at college most of the girls got their adult sized body and relatively slower metabolism.

The age at which girls get their periods has lowered a lot because of better nutrition compared to the past ages
The average was 16 once and it's 11 nowadays (according to WHO) european countries especially went from rural poverty to industrial wealth and while the average is 11 many girls develope before that age.
I've never known anyway that wasn't developed in high school, like no developed breast
I remember reading that the average in the USA changes a lot from state to state
In my country they suspect malnitrution if a girl hasn't got her periods at 13 yet. They do know that there girls who genetically get their periods later but they do check if something is wrong when a girl is 13 and hasn't developed yet because it's too rare
But what do you mean by filled out? Because I do believe they filled out because of their lifestyle as it way easier to put on fat with the same lifestyle/nutrition you used to have when your estrogen level increase
I still believe that the most obvious traits of development are height, breast size, periods, armpit hair and things like that. Body weight is not a good predictor of development also because we can't tell by sight whether someone weight has increased because of bone growth or fat gain

Danny

[dogsncats]

The age at which girls get their periods has lowered a lot because of better nutrition compared to the past ages
The average was 16 once and it's 11 nowadays (according to WHO) european countries especially went from rural poverty to industrial wealth and while the average is 11 many girls develope before that age.
I've never known anyway that wasn't developed in high school, like no developed breast
I remember reading that the average in the USA changes a lot from state to state
In my country they suspect malnitrution if a girl hasn't got her periods at 13 yet. They do know that there girls who genetically get their periods later but they do check if something is wrong when a girl is 13 and hasn't developed yet because it's too rare
But what do you mean by filled out? Because I do believe they filled out because of their lifestyle as it way easier to put on fat with the same lifestyle/nutrition you used to have when your estrogen level increase
I still believe that the most obvious traits of development are height, breast size, periods, armpit hair and things like that. Body weight is not a good predictor of development also because we can't tell by sight whether someone weight has increased because of bone growth or fat gain

Danny

Getting periods that early isn't a sign of better nutrition. It is simply the result of excess hormones in the meat/dairy and other contaminants that mimic estrogen in the body. I know one woman whose daughter was going through a precocious puberty so she took her off the US milk and her puberty symptoms went away. The earlier a woman gets her period, the more likely she is to get breast cancer later on. This is not healthy nor a sign of a more progressive culture.

Why would they suspect malnutrition if a girl hasn't gotten her period by 13? Are you sure you have your facts straight? 13 was the average age for a girl's first menarche just one generation ago, certainly not a period of lowered nutrition.

And yes, it is true that many girls get there full adult body at around 18. For this reason many teenage models lose their model figure at around 18, often acquiring a typical woman's buttocks.

[Danny©]

Why would they suspect malnutrition if a girl hasn't gotten her period by 13? Are you sure you have your facts straight? 13 was the average age for a girl's first menarche just one generation ago, certainly not a period of lowered nutrition.

My parents surely had worst nutrition than I have
They had to eat processed flour bread with everything because there was not enough money in their youth to buy enough food to satiate them so bread was used as a "filler" but it didn't contain enough nutrition and also they didn't have enough money to eat meat many times a month

You're right about the dangers of unproper development but later evidences debunk it's a matter of how early
It has been proven that quick growth spurts that lead to a growth of 7 inches overnight and cause earlier growth plates disclosure is unhealthy and they linked with increased hormones content in animal foods.
This growth spurts with low or no growth later are correlated to osteoporosis and cancer and also uneven bone and facial bone development.
But when they studied populations that were growing normally (non-western non-third world populations) they observed that the growth of those kids is steady, they don't have growth spurts and grow steadily until they're 20 or even older one inch at a time and yet they enter into puberty growth at the same time we do with an average of 11-12 year sold. They suffer no hormonal imbalances or problems related to growth spurts but if they move to a western country and adopt our listestyle and eat our food they have sudden growth spurts (if they're still young) and develop the same diseases of the western world we suffer from
Their diet is more nutritious than the diet of the past generation and the of western diet because it's based on fresh produce like fish, fatty fruits, greens and so on. This explains why they body enter into pubertal development soon but develop evenly and healthily

[Bella03]

I can honestly say that my acne has gotten better since i've started exercising...
I've been in college and during the year it seems i have no time to go to the gym...So i've been working out at least every other day, and I haven't had a cyst in a month !!
And I'm getting ready to start my period, and i don't have a cyst yet *and that's normally when i get them*
So, exercise has helped a lot..I think it relieves a lot of stress with me too...

[Danny©]

and exercise is the best way to change your body composition for the better and losing fat without necessarily losing weight so ...

[Kev07]

im 5'3'' and about 114 pounds. not fat, just kind of not feeling good about it.
ive been eating A TON for the past like year, which is what brought me from 100 to 114.
so i'm just going to try to eat like a normal person (3 good meals, only fruit or veggies for snacks), no radical diet changes, no foodgroups eliminated.

i was just wondering if anyone has noticed that eating less worsened/improved their acne?

Well actually i think losing weight maybe has helped me acne, either that or i'm just aging out of it

i started losing a LOT of weight my freshman year in highschool, the year that i had horrible breakouts all over my face. towards the end of freshman year i lost about 20 pounds and have become about half as acneish as i was before. so i'm not sure if it's directly causing but that's how it was for me. btw i'm a senior now and still keeping up weight loss, i'm at 160 now at 5'9 started at 190 freshman year