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[SweetJade1980]

I can't understand what the problem with lifting weights could be
People think that there's some correlation between lifting weights and higher levels of certain hormones
There isn't any, it's just a myth due to the face that lifting weights seems such a virile activity while actually playing basketball is was harder on the muscles and the bones
When you lift weights you microdamage your muscles and at night they're repaired with stronger muscle fiber and they get bigger. This is what happens also when you do chin-up or crunches, when you ride your bycicle, sprint for many yards or swim for 40 minutes
Weight lifting increase your circulation, makes you sweat and increase your heart beat

I agree with all the rest

Danny

its because with weight lifting u release a lottt of hormones its like those ppl who take steroids their bodies already have high testosterone and I think weightlifting even makes it increase more

No it doesn't really, ... weight lifting is like any other physical activity where muscles are stressed and then repaired there's nothing magical about it. After lifting weight there's an increase in growth hormone because those muscles need to be repaired but there's a release of growth hormone even after running, swimming, riding a bike, playing tennis, basketball and football and expecially jumping.
Other than that when oxygen is depleted thebody produces the hormone cortisol to make glucose and when it is replenishing its muscle glycogen stores it is producing insulin, but again this happens with all kind of physical activity where muscles are used. Steroid indeed increase hormonal synthesis but guess what it's nowadays known that testosterone is not that necessary for muscle growth. This is quite logical since young kids doesn't produce much testosterone and yet their muscles grow a lot if they lift weights ... ever seen the muscles of young preadolescient gymnasts?

I'm not denying that weight ligfting is having an adverse effect on you but it must be for a different reason since lifting stuff doesn't actually release more hormones related to acne, it is not different than any other physical activity and also the real culprit in acne is androgen hormones not testosterone, people who take steorid hormone suffers no acne so does people who take drugs for treating PCOS which decrease androgens levels in the body

Also, let's not mistake weight lifting with becoming grossly huge to win a Mr. Olympia contest
The mere act of lifting weights for a series of repetition for 30-40 minutes two or three times a week is a complete and healthy physical activity which is ideal for women, men, girls, boy and children alike and which doesn't make you an hormonal hulk with big muscles, it just build the right amount of muscle like any other sport and it's way safer than playing tennis or basketball both for the muscles and the growth plate bones

Danny

Androgen Hormones = Testosterone (specifically Free Testosterone), Androstenedione, DHEA (adrenal androgen) and DHT.

Acne is supposed to be usually linked to increases in DHT & DHEA for Women and Men it's Androstendione and one of the others. All I know is that for me, my high androgens were DHEA and Free Testosterone.

[Adam82]

Jrod i really don't think you know what you're talking about. Weight Lifting like any other stressing physical activity can cause some acne. Sweating alone can cause 15-20%. I lift weights right now and my acne is moderate. When i played basketball my acne was severe. Playing any sport that causes any type of physical strain and you are sweating, which in turn causes some acne.

Regardless of what you ate when you were younger, it won't cause severe cysts on your body or on your face. Yeah you can get pimples from certain diets but overall you won't get any type of severe acne. People who have severe types of acne are genetically predisposed to have it so it doesn't matter if you lift weights or not you're going to get it. Diet has very little to do with acne.

Diet can result in severe acne, at least for me. I was pretty clear and thought I had "grown out of acne" but in an attempt to be healthier I started eating fish for the first time in my life. I started getting cystic acne for the first time ever and had the worst breakouts of my life all due to fish, fish oil, and flaxseed oil. I figured this out about 2 months ago, cut out these foods and supplements, and I am at about 99% clear. Diet can have no effect on acne and it can have all the effect (like in my case).

[R.S.]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, it's weird. Maybe me and you have a problem with omega-3's because the same thing happens with me except not with fish. But flax oil and cod liver oil gave me HORRIBLE breakouts... Absolutely full facial type things that would take weeks to heal.

Then again omega-3 eggs don't really give me a problem, nor do shellfish..... confusing world.

[LuckyMan]

You're making it a question of kind of exercise, while what really matters is whether there's muscular growth or not

The type of exercise determines the physiological effects of the activity including the AMMOUNT of muscular growth.

What happens with swimming is that the movements in the water damage the muscles and at night those damaged muscle grow thanks to growth hormone. This is exactly what happens with lifting weights. The physiological difference is just in the metabolism of fat, amino acids and fatty acids not hormones.

Among many other reasons in which anaerobic/aerobic exercise are vastly different is the huge difference in the AMMOUNT of GH released, swimming/running etc 1-200% increase BB 6-800%.

Sticking to a strictly hormonal debate there are many other reasons why an/aerobic differ: their RELATIVE effects on testosterone, DHT, Insulin, Insulin sensitivity, cortisol, IGF-1 to name a few.

To tell the truth anaerobic exercise may increase the synsthesis of testosterone but only if the exercise is hight intensity and short. Weight lifting is not high intensity enough unless you're doing 2 session of 2 or 3 repetition at the maximum weight to reach muscle failure and you have two to three short sessions of 10-15 minutes. This would be not safe and would lead to joint repetitive strain injury.
The average way to lift weights (not competing for Mr Olympia) is lifting heavy enough to damage your muscle but not so heavy to reach muscle failure before 10-12 reps. A pyramid would even be less intensive since you lift your maximum only after 2 series of warming up. This kind of universal weight lifting is not intense enough to increase the amount of testosterone in the body just the amount of growth hormone which occurs anytime the muscle grows

All anaerobic exercise (weight lifting etc) is high-intensity/short-duration. The high-intensity/short-duration does not refer to the how a person works out (to any great degree) but to the type of exercise they are doing, distance running = low-intensity/long-duration and bb = high-intensity/short-duration, you can change the intensity/duration of your bb session (to change the amount of testosterone released) but its still short and intense even if you do 10-15 reps... because you are NOT comparing the duration to say 3-5 reps (as you have done) but to say 10,000 reps (each step in a running session).

How can anyone say they are the same just look at long distance runner, and look at a bodybuilder ffs!!!

[Danny©]

You're making it a question of kind of exercise, while what really matters is whether there's muscular growth or not

The type of exercise determines the physiological effects of the activity including the AMMOUNT of muscular growth.

What happens with swimming is that the movements in the water damage the muscles and at night those damaged muscle grow thanks to growth hormone. This is exactly what happens with lifting weights. The physiological difference is just in the metabolism of fat, amino acids and fatty acids not hormones.

Among many other reasons in which anaerobic/aerobic exercise are vastly different is the huge difference in the AMMOUNT of GH released, swimming/running etc 1-200% increase BB 6-800%.

Sticking to a strictly hormonal debate there are many other reasons why an/aerobic differ: their RELATIVE effects on testosterone, DHT, Insulin, Insulin sensitivity, cortisol, IGF-1 to name a few.

To tell the truth anaerobic exercise may increase the synsthesis of testosterone but only if the exercise is hight intensity and short. Weight lifting is not high intensity enough unless you're doing 2 session of 2 or 3 repetition at the maximum weight to reach muscle failure and you have two to three short sessions of 10-15 minutes. This would be not safe and would lead to joint repetitive strain injury.
The average way to lift weights (not competing for Mr Olympia) is lifting heavy enough to damage your muscle but not so heavy to reach muscle failure before 10-12 reps. A pyramid would even be less intensive since you lift your maximum only after 2 series of warming up. This kind of universal weight lifting is not intense enough to increase the amount of testosterone in the body just the amount of growth hormone which occurs anytime the muscle grows

All anaerobic exercise (weight lifting etc) is high-intensity/short-duration. The high-intensity/short-duration does not refer to the how a person works out (to any great degree) but to the type of exercise they are doing, distance running = low-intensity/long-duration and bb = high-intensity/short-duration, you can change the intensity/duration of your bb session (to change the amount of testosterone released) but its still short and intense even if you do 10-15 reps... because you are NOT comparing the duration to say 3-5 reps (as you have done) but to say 10,000 reps (each step in a running session).

How can anyone say they are the same just look at long distance runner, and look at a bodybuilder ffs!!!

Bodybuilding has very little to do with weight lifting. Bodybuiling has more to do with huge amount of calories, micromanaging of one's diet and drugs. Normal weight lifting alone who can do everyone will never build alone the amount of muscle mass you see in a competitive body builder
If you just swim normally and you just lift weights normally just for general health and conditioning you're not to put on more mass with the weight lifting. I've been involved with both sports and that's what I've always seen. The intensity if very important because if you choose an high number of repetition for a not to heavy amount of weight you're not going to produce as much growth hormone as if you were lifting heavy for a short number of set keeping your workout less than 40 minutes
Long distance runnning besides doesn't build much muscle, actually it catabolizes the muscle you've put on with another sport (it's a reason why they look so skinny) on the other hand swimming does build muscles even more than moderate weight lifting. Weight lifting by itself buil muscles in an harmonious way making your body lean but not bulky, the bulkyniss of bodybuilder has nothing to do with weight lifting

The amount of growth hormone released depends on muscle damage and repairing. That's why for example sprinting releases more growth hormone than weight lifting because the damage is bigger. Swimming too causes muscles damage and repair. Long distance runnning doesn't and it's not uncommon for long distance runners to lose much of their muscle mass.

Insulin sensitivity is increased in both kind of physical activity and as a matter of face the postworkout meal suggest to weight lifters is the same suggested to swimmming teams: simple high GI carbs and protein without fats and so the effect on IGF-1 on both kinds of exercise are basically the same

Again I'm with the others who said that weight lifting doesn't affect their acne more than jogging, jumping rope, playing basketball ... in face weight lifting (warm up + inverse pyramid and not max load for few repetition) is the kind of esercisex that the least affect my hormonal acne. I can produce way much more growth hormone jumping, sprinting or swimming

Danny

[LuckyMan]

Bodybuilding has very little to do with weight lifting.

Bodybuiling has more to do with huge amount of calories, micromanaging of one's diet and drugs. Normal weight lifting alone who can do everyone will never build alone the amount of muscle mass you see in a competitive body builder

Of course nutrition and drugs affect a persons muscle mass but what the hell are you talking about?????? argue the point, you said anaerobic exercise is the same hormonally as aerobic exercise, it most certainly isn't.

If you just swim normally and you just lift weights normally just for general health and conditioning you're not to put on more mass with the weight lifting.

Yes you will.

The intensity if very important because if you choose an high number of repetition for a not to heavy amount of weight you're not going to produce as much growth hormone as if you were lifting heavy for a short number of set keeping your workout less than 40 minutes

Yes the intensity of a workout affects GH/Androgens the higher the intensity the higher the presence of these hormones, aerobic exercise is MUCH LOWER INTENSITY THAN ANAEROBIC EXERCISE.

Long distance runnning besides doesn't build much muscle, actually it catabolizes the muscle you've put on with another sport (it's a reason why they look so skinny)

EXACTLY. The hormonal effects of distance running are much different to the hormonal effects of BB, you are now agreeing with me and arguing against yourself.

on the other hand swimming does build muscles even more than moderate weight lifting.

No it doesn't swimming is LESS intense than BB.

Weight lifting by itself buil muscles in an harmonious way making your body lean but not bulky, the bulkyniss of bodybuilder has nothing to do with weight lifting

Weight lifting does not make you lean, if done inconjunction with a high carb diet it will make you bulky for sure. What the hell this has to do with anything I don't know.

The amount of growth hormone released depends on muscle damage and repairing. That's why for example sprinting releases more growth hormone than weight lifting because the damage is bigger. Swimming too causes muscles damage and repair. Long distance runnning doesn't and it's not uncommon for long distance runners to lose much of their muscle mass.

SWIMMING DAMAGES YOU MUSCLES MUCH LESS THAN BB.

Insulin sensitivity is increased in both kind of physical activity and as a matter of face the postworkout meal suggest to weight lifters is the same suggested to swimmming teams: simple high GI carbs and protein without fats and so the effect on IGF-1 on both kinds of exercise are basically the same

The affect on IGF-1 is very much different, Bodybuilders do higher intensity workouts, thus increasing their GH much higher than swimmers, GH is converted into IGF-1, infact it's the main mediator of IGF-1. Another mediator of IGF-1 is insulin, low-intesity/long duration exercise such as swimming distance running burns a large amount of calories, DECREASES insulin, and INCREASES insulin sensitivity, High-intesity/short-duration exercise such as BB does not burn a large amount of callories the large carbohydrate/protein meals eaten by BB will vastly INCREASE insulin and REDUCE insulin sensitivity.

Again I'm with the others who said that weight lifting doesn't affect their acne more than jogging, jumping rope, playing basketball ... in face weight lifting (warm up + inverse pyramid and not max load for few repetition) is the kind of esercisex that the least affect my hormonal acne. I can produce way much more growth hormone jumping, sprinting or swimming

I'm not debating whether or not it affects your acne. You said they were the same hormonally, the hormonal effects are very much different.

[Danny©]

Bodybuilding has very little to do with weight lifting.

Bodybuiling has more to do with huge amount of calories, micromanaging of one's diet and drugs. Normal weight lifting alone who can do everyone will never build alone the amount of muscle mass you see in a competitive body builder

Of course nutrition and drugs affect a persons muscle mass but what the hell are you talking about?????? argue the point, you said anaerobic exercise is the same hormonally as aerobic exercise, it most certainly isn't.

If you just swim normally and you just lift weights normally just for general health and conditioning you're not to put on more mass with the weight lifting.

Yes you will.

I phrased my sentence wrongly. If you just lift weights normally, eating normally with a normal intensity you're not going to put on much more more mass than if you'd chosen swimming as your muscle building exercises; in the same amount of time
Of course since you can always increase the weights eventually you won't put on more muscle mass with weight lifting but you're going to put on muscle mass for longer as when the body adapts to the resistence you can increase the weights which you can't do when the resistance is provided by your body weight or the water.
So long term one will be able to put on more muscle mass while weight lifting simply by keeping putting on muscle mass at an high rate for longer time

The intensity if very important because if you choose an high number of repetition for a not to heavy amount of weight you're not going to produce as much growth hormone as if you were lifting heavy for a short number of set keeping your workout less than 40 minutes

Yes the intensity of a workout affects GH/Androgens the higher the intensity the higher the presence of these hormones, aerobic exercise is MUCH LOWER INTENSITY THAN ANAEROBIC EXERCISE.

High intensity swimming is not that much lower than low intensity weight lifting

Long distance runnning besides doesn't build much muscle, actually it catabolizes the muscle you've put on with another sport (it's a reason why they look so skinny)

EXACTLY. The hormonal effects of distance running are much different to the hormonal effects of BB, you are now agreeing with me and arguing against yourself.

Distance running is an aerobic activity where muscles often shrink in size to accomodate to an aerobic metabolism and more often than not they're catabolized as well. Swimming is an aerobic activity which build muscle and damage them pretty severely and where lot of growth hormone is released afterwards


on the other hand swimming does build muscles even more than moderate weight lifting.



No it doesn't swimming is LESS intense than BB.



Weight lifting by itself buil muscles in an harmonious way making your body lean but not bulky, the bulkyniss of bodybuilder has nothing to do with weight lifting



Weight lifting does not make you lean, if done inconjunction with a high carb diet it will make you bulky for sure. What the hell this has to do with anything I don't know.


By lean I mean not bulky, not as in "lower fat" but as in unable to put on enough muscle mass to be bulky (I know that lean means a different thing but I'm using the word in a different sense because I don't know what other word to use)
I've been involved in weight lifting for years and I've seen natural bodybuilding contests, and I've never seen someone able to be "bulky" with just lifting weights
Coleman may have a 5% body fat but I don't consider him "lean" as a figure because unlike a lean man he looks like a wardrobe in which quarters of beef have been glued. English is not my native language so I don't have a better term to explain what I mean. The point is that weight lifting alone is not able to produce that kind of mass increase and that the physique of people like Coleman and company has very little to do with their weight lifting, and more to do with dianabol or insulin injected in the veins.


The amount of growth hormone released depends on muscle damage and repairing. That's why for example sprinting releases more growth hormone than weight lifting because the damage is bigger. Swimming too causes muscles damage and repair. Long distance runnning doesn't and it's not uncommon for long distance runners to lose much of their muscle mass.



SWIMMING DAMAGES YOU MUSCLES MUCH LESS THAN BB.


And besides the higher intensity anarobic exercises hormonal response where more testosterone is released has nothing to do with damaging and repairing muscles
So far there are no evidences that testosterone is anabolic or that muscle growth is dependent on it, clinical trials using massive dose of testosterone have been unable to show that it helps increasing muscle growth nor that it stimulates the synthesis of protein


Insulin sensitivity is increased in both kind of physical activity and as a matter of face the postworkout meal suggest to weight lifters is the same suggested to swimmming teams: simple high GI carbs and protein without fats and so the effect on IGF-1 on both kinds of exercise are basically the same



The affect on IGF-1 is very much different, Bodybuilders do higher intensity workouts, thus increasing their GH much higher than swimmers, GH is converted into IGF-1, infact it's the main mediator of IGF-1. Another mediator of IGF-1 is insulin, low-intesity/long duration exercise such as swimming distance running burns a large amount of calories, DECREASES insulin, and INCREASES insulin sensitivity, High-intesity/short-duration exercise such as BB does not burn a large amount of callories the large carbohydrate/protein meals eaten by BB will vastly INCREASE insulin and REDUCE insulin sensitivity.


Have you read the studies that analisys the hormonal responses to different kind of intensity exercises. Weight lifting change its intensity a lot according to the amount of set, reps, resting intervals and duration of the workout. And it's not a little change, the different is so bug that you may consider a way to lift weight compared to the other a different exercise in itself. The hormonal responses from weight lifting to swimming differs greatly when there a maximum load, few reps, short sets and the duration of the workout is short, but if the weight is lower, the reps are more and the duration of the workout exceed 35 minuts the hormonal response changes so mach to almost equate the hormonal responses to high intensity muscle building swimming. And I've argued so fat that on average the people in this forum are not interested in the kind of high intensity weight lifting workout which is potentially dangeour.
As another boy here who lift weight said, people here choose low weights, higher reps, more sets, longer intervals and longer workout. If you see the hormonal response of such kind of physical activity you will see it doesn't differ much from high intensity swimming where muscles are badly damaged and grow.


Again I'm with the others who said that weight lifting doesn't affect their acne more than jogging, jumping rope, playing basketball ... in face weight lifting (warm up + inverse pyramid and not max load for few repetition) is the kind of esercisex that the least affect my hormonal acne. I can produce way much more growth hormone jumping, sprinting or swimming



I'm not debating whether or not it affects your acne. You said they were the same hormonally, the hormonal effects are very much different.


No, they're not that much different and the difference depends on the intensity. Low intensity weight lifting does not differ much from high intensity swimming. Check the studies that analysis the hormonal responses of reistance training compared to the chosen intensity of the exercise

[Tomorrow]

Good points theres NotaDrNick

[LuckyMan]

No, they're not that much different and the difference depends on the intensity. Low intensity weight lifting does not differ much from high intensity swimming. Check the studies that analysis the hormonal responses of reistance training compared to the chosen intensity of the exercise

Intensity directly relates to whether or not an exercise is anaerobic/aerobic, they are NOT seperable. If an exercise is anaerobic it is by definition high-intensity, if an exercise is aerobic it is by definition less intense than anaerobic exercise there is no getting away from this indelible fact. The intensty directly relates to GH/Androgen production, therefore the more anaerobic the exercise i.e. the more intense, the more GH is produced. You keep saying an/aerobic excerice do not differ in thier hormonal affects yet you also say that intensity does you CANNOT have it both ways.

You seem to think that you can lower the intensity of a BB session to be compareable to swimming this is of course true but by lowering the intensity you move the exercise from largely anaerobic to aerobic. if someone choose's to do 3000 chest presses with 1kg weights they can call it low or lower intensity bodybuilding all they like, it wont make their muscles grow and it is very much aerobic exercise. if your doing 3-5 or even 10-15 reps it will make you muscles grow, it is anaerobic, it is high-intensity and it will VERY MUCH have a different physiological effect to aerobic exercise such as jogging/etc.

[Adam82]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, it's weird. Maybe me and you have a problem with omega-3's because the same thing happens with me except not with fish. But flax oil and cod liver oil gave me HORRIBLE breakouts... Absolutely full facial type things that would take weeks to heal.

Then again omega-3 eggs don't really give me a problem, nor do shellfish..... confusing world.

Yeah, I'm not sure what it is. I started taking a few tablespoons of ground flaxseed a couple days ago, each day/ So far, so good. Usually, I would breakout in 24 hours but I'm still 99% clear at the moment. So maybe what food the Omega-3's come in will make a difference.

[LuckyMan]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, it's weird. Maybe me and you have a problem with omega-3's because the same thing happens with me except not with fish. But flax oil and cod liver oil gave me HORRIBLE breakouts... Absolutely full facial type things that would take weeks to heal.

Then again omega-3 eggs don't really give me a problem, nor do shellfish..... confusing world.

Yeah, I'm not sure what it is. I started taking a few tablespoons of ground flaxseed a couple days ago, each day/ So far, so good. Usually, I would breakout in 24 hours but I'm still 99% clear at the moment. So maybe what food the Omega-3's come in will make a difference.

Maybe its just something else in the flax/fish oil? Do either of you break out from walnuts? Walnuts being nuts probably have less potential for contamination/sensitivity than say fish oil. Also what was the quality of the fish oil like?

However the the moist and warm environment causes a harbor for the bacteria to spread. Sweating can also irritate your face if you have sensitive skin like me. Irritation is followed by inflammation. If you already have clogged pores and bacteria on your face (which everyone does) it results in a bad combo.

It may well be warm and moist, but, the surface of your skin, particulaly in the presense of exercise enduced sweat, does not facilitate the over-growth of p.acnes. p.acnes will only overgrow in your pores.

[Adam82]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, it's weird. Maybe me and you have a problem with omega-3's because the same thing happens with me except not with fish. But flax oil and cod liver oil gave me HORRIBLE breakouts... Absolutely full facial type things that would take weeks to heal.

Then again omega-3 eggs don't really give me a problem, nor do shellfish..... confusing world.

Yeah, I'm not sure what it is. I started taking a few tablespoons of ground flaxseed a couple days ago, each day/ So far, so good. Usually, I would breakout in 24 hours but I'm still 99% clear at the moment. So maybe what food the Omega-3's come in will make a difference.

Maybe its just something else in the flax/fish oil? Do either of you break out from walnuts? Walnuts being nuts probably have less potential for contamination/sensitivity than say fish oil. Also what was the quality of the fish oil like?

However the the moist and warm environment causes a harbor for the bacteria to spread. Sweating can also irritate your face if you have sensitive skin like me. Irritation is followed by inflammation. If you already have clogged pores and bacteria on your face (which everyone does) it results in a bad combo.

It may well be warm and moist, but, the surface of your skin, particulaly in the presense of exercise enduced sweat, does not facilitate the over-growth of p.acnes. p.acnes will only overgrow in your pores.

Could be something else, but regular fish produces a even more severe reaction, especially salmon, so I think it is just a fish allergy. I never ate fish until last year, so I never found out earlier abou this allergy.

I ate two servings of walnuts yesterday, actually. We'll see how my skin reacts over the next week.

It was cheap fish oil so that could have been a factor. The flaxseed oil was Udo's choic, which I believe is one of the higher quality brands.

[Ell-]

Yes, Udo's choice is a higher quality brand.

[R.S.]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, it's weird. Maybe me and you have a problem with omega-3's because the same thing happens with me except not with fish. But flax oil and cod liver oil gave me HORRIBLE breakouts... Absolutely full facial type things that would take weeks to heal.

Then again omega-3 eggs don't really give me a problem, nor do shellfish..... confusing world.

Yeah, I'm not sure what it is. I started taking a few tablespoons of ground flaxseed a couple days ago, each day/ So far, so good. Usually, I would breakout in 24 hours but I'm still 99% clear at the moment. So maybe what food the Omega-3's come in will make a difference.

Maybe its just something else in the flax/fish oil? Do either of you break out from walnuts? Walnuts being nuts probably have less potential for contamination/sensitivity than say fish oil. Also what was the quality of the fish oil like?

However the the moist and warm environment causes a harbor for the bacteria to spread. Sweating can also irritate your face if you have sensitive skin like me. Irritation is followed by inflammation. If you already have clogged pores and bacteria on your face (which everyone does) it results in a bad combo.

It may well be warm and moist, but, the surface of your skin, particulaly in the presense of exercise enduced sweat, does not facilitate the over-growth of p.acnes. p.acnes will only overgrow in your pores.

I have a fatal allergy to walnuts and cross allergy to other tree nuts... So Me+Walnuts = results in much worse things then acne.

[No I'm Amy]

From my own experience I would say to try to avoid dairy at all costs rite now I basically just have 1 cup of milk with cereal a day and thats all my dairy

this includes all cheese butter ice cream PROTEIN shakes I cant emphasize this enough

Also I would not lift weights! Trust me on this one and especially when u take Protein shakes this will really fuck up ur face! Right now I keep telling myself I shouldnt have lifted weights and taken the protein that crap gave me severe cysts all over

Instead play sports something to get u sweating, running, and help your heart and circulation....

Drink a lot of water and take Essential Fatty Acids
Also I would suggest eatting carrots and lots of fruits and veggies

Hopefully I helped someone out cuz rite now I wish I woulda known this before and not fucked up my face. Right now i got no acne at all but the marks are pretty bad and my doc said it will take a year to go away

I know that I need calcium and carbs so I can't take out what you said...

[LuckyMan]

Calcium is in loads of things not just milk.