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[~TEPL0~]

read this article: http://www.susunweed.com/herbal_ezine/apri...healingwise.htm

and this one: http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/dietarythe...a/Raw_Foods.htm

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

I would eat soft foods like vegies, fruits, eggs raw.

and

I would slow cook and eat hard foods like rice etc.

Meat, fish can be eaten raw but care should be taken to make sure that it is very fresh otherwise danger of food poisioning because of bacteria.

This is logical. All the other research is crap. Because nature designed us to eat soft raw plant foods without cooking.

[~TEPL0~]

but ever since man discovered fire, he has been cooking food, so didn't nature design man to be smart enough to be able to cook food?

Or maybe since we're the only animals on the planet that are so different from every other animal, maybe we came from aliens, and we're not supposed to eat earthly food at all, but we need special alien food?

[Legend]

I would eat soft foods like vegies, fruits, eggs raw.

and

I would slow cook and eat hard foods like rice etc.

Meat, fish can be eaten raw but care should be taken to make sure that it is very fresh otherwise danger of food poisioning because of bacteria.

This is logical. All the other research is crap. Because nature designed us to eat soft raw plant foods without cooking.

It is not illogical. What is illogical is that you assume that anything cherry picked from nature has been 100% designed for this. Tobacco is natural. Does that mean it's healthy?

What's illogical is to ignore hard facts like cooked tomato paste having lycopene more bioavailable than raw tomatoes.

[~TEPL0~]

how would you account for poisonous mushrooms?

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

but ever since man discovered fire, he has been cooking food, so didn't nature design man to be smart enough to be able to cook food?

No - Our brains are sometimes our biggest mistake.

Man can go to the Moon and put Spacecraft on Mars but has unable to solve the acne problem.

Many diseases/sickness are still without cures/answers.

It proves one thing.

We do not have the capability to understand everything as yet.

Our ability to eat foods in the raw state was God given.

"The doctor of the future will give no medicine (OR EXCESS COOKED FOOD-my addition to this), but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease."
- Thomas Edison

[Legend]

but ever since man discovered fire, he has been cooking food, so didn't nature design man to be smart enough to be able to cook food?

Our ability to eat foods in the raw state was God given.

And thus ends any rational debate.

[~TEPL0~]

I wasn't aware that Edison was an authority on nutrition.

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

I wasn't aware that Edison was an authority on nutrition.

Edison had a logical clear mind. That is more important than everything else.

but ever since man discovered fire, he has been cooking food, so didn't nature design man to be smart enough to be able to cook food?

Our ability to eat foods in the raw state was God given.

And thus ends any rational debate.

What is rational about our dabblings with fire and concoctions and mixtures.

We are mere quacks trying to manipulate nature.

[~TEPL0~]

I wasn't aware that Edison was an authority on nutrition.

Edison had a logical clear mind. That is more important than everything else.

so do a lot of people, so Edison is not special in this case.

Here's something I want to know:

Is there an optimal state for every food to get the most benefit from it? Like an optimal amount/way of cooking?

What's the deal on heating food? As far as I understand, meat/fish lose nutritional value from cooking, and fruit/veggies benefit from cooking?


I got some beans. One website said I should soak them and eat them raw; another website said beans should never be eaten raw, and to cook them well.

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

I wasn't aware that Edison was an authority on nutrition.

Edison had a logical clear mind. That is more important than everything else.

so do a lot of people, so Edison is not special in this case.

Here's something I want to know:

Is there an optimal state for every food to get the most benefit from it? Like an optimal amount/way of cooking?

What's the deal on heating food? As far as I understand, meat/fish lose nutritional value from cooking, and fruit/veggies benefit from cooking?

I would disagree that fruits/vegies benefit from cooking. If something is gained, something is also lost.
Besides very controlled cooking with optimum temperatures would be necessary to get something like the ripening effect that is present with fruits exposed to slow sunlight/heat in nature

[~TEPL0~]

We are mere quacks trying to manipulate nature.

if nature gave us brains, then maybe that's what we're supposed to do?

For one reason or another, humans are very different from all other animals. And we need to figure out the best food sources, which are also different form other animals.

[chocolat_amer]

but ever since man discovered fire, he has been cooking food, so didn't nature design man to be smart enough to be able to cook food?

Man can go to the Moon and put Spacecraft on Mars but has unable to solve the acne problem.

I respectfully don't agree. Man does not WANT to solve the acne problem because it is more profitable to not solve it. There is a special ACNE aisle (I kid you not, it is labelled acne) at certain wal-marts. Where would that aisle be if there was an acne cure? And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

There is limited grant money for research. This means whatever money there is that is not diverted to war and mayhem gets earmarked for aids and cancer research. AIDS on the other hand is enormously expensive to NOT find a cure for. Sure, the powers that be can ignore poor people with aids. But aids can be transmitted (unlike acne) from person to person, and the gov't can't stop ppl with insurance from having sexual relations or getting blood transfusions from HIV infected people. Hence, all the national/international funding going into it to find a vaccination and a cure. Can you imagine writing a grant proposal asking funding for acne research? You'd get laughed out of the grant office. sad but true.


I'm not saying a cure for acne exists if only people would devote time and money to seriously look for it. But no one has tried so how do you know?

[~TEPL0~]

I tend to be a rational person, but seriously: the fact that humans are so different isn't simply an accident. Either the "god" theory is correct, or the "aliens" theory is. We didn't just evolve from monkeys.

Let's just go food by food, to see the best cooking method for every food.

[Green_Vegetable_Man]

We are mere quacks trying to manipulate nature.

if nature gave us brains, then maybe that's what we're supposed to do?

For one reason or another, humans are very different from all other animals. And we need to figure out the best food sources, which are also different form other animals.

If it was that easy to mimic nature we would be able to duplicate a humans brain/body and extend life forever. The drug/pharmaceutical industry would not be selling cures for just about every sickness.

Every time a new disease surfaces like bird flu, AIDS etc.

What we know about the science of living creatures and our bodies is near zero.

[~TEPL0~]

acne research is done by drug companies. If they find that there's a way to cure acne without drugs, they won't tell you.

[~TEPL0~]

here: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked...cooked-1a.shtml

I'm about to read this, it looks like a good source.

p.s: in terms of formal acne research, first doctors need to recognize that acne is not an external problem, but an internal one.

[Legend]

I tend to be a rational person, but seriously: the fact that humans are so different isn't simply an accident. Either the "god" theory is correct, or the "aliens" theory is. We didn't just evolve from monkeys.

Let's just go food by food, to see the best cooking method for every food.

I wasn't trying to get a religious debate. Religious or not, the "god is on my side" card is irrational.

[~TEPL0~]

Let's discuss what's important.

I believe that telling people what to eat/not to eat is not a solution, because acne is caused by different things for different people. So let's find some "control foods" which definitely don't cause acne for anyone. And I'm not talking about the traditional ones, because I want to be satisfied after a meal, not starving to death.

Here are some possibilities:

1) acne is not caused by food at all (but lack of physical activity, hormones, etc.)

2) acne is caused by carbs

3) acne is caused by "dirty" proteins

4) acne is caused by candida

5) acne is caused by ionine in food

6) acne is caused by cooking food

7) acne is caused by not cooking food correctly

8) acne is caused by undigested food which causes toxicity and leaky gut

9) add any other potential reason here

10) and here

11) and here...


the fact that there's a list like this is the REAL PROBLEM

instead of adding more shit to the list, how about we prove/disprove everything we have so far with some controlled experiments?

[KnowShow]

well, as I am on an all raw food diet www.freeacnebook.com . and have been for 6 weeks, I thought this information was stupid at first.. but rubber sheep could have told you that I would think that..

Then I read the articles, and although the first one meant nothing to me.. no facts it seemed and was pertaining more to animal foods and plants, which I don't eat.. except egg yolks and sushi..

So the second article started talking about asian medicine and the warm/cold balance.. I strongly believe in this as I go to an accupuncturist/herbalist.. I was told I had way too much heat before going on this diet..

I had all sorts of problems... which doctors, derms, (accupuncturist, herbalist)*, homeopathic doctors, and chiropractors did not help me at all.. *(helped the most)

BAD acne and nothing worked

I had intense stomache pains for a year, never went to a doctor because I didn't have insurance and didn't want to go until I got insurance incase it was bad, I'd be screwed

Acid reflux almost daily

I had alot of anger, frustration, and aggression..

I had very bad ADD to the point that I couldn't comprehend what I would read

I had problems sleeping, and would be up until 6AM

I was very lazy.............

I would wheeze, I guess I had asthma, never diagnosed.

Constipation

I was a sex addict.....


My raw food diet cured all of the ailments. So maybe now some people will understand my devotion to this diet.

So back to the second article in this posting, I was reading the side effects of too much cold and not enough hot. This makes perfect sense.. I have experienced excess mucus and a little bloating but only lately... This would be because it took my body a while to become completely cold.. I will add in some foods off the list of foods with warming energy.. Thanks a ton.. My mucus build up gets real bad in my throat, to the point that my breathing is affected..

Nutmeg Squash Sunflower seeds Walnuts Chestnut Brown sugar Clove Coconut Dates Fresh GingerCoriander
Chives Rice wine or vinegar Cinnamon Black pepper Green/red pepper Caraway Mustard greens Pine nuts Rice milk Parsley Cayenne Turmeric ..