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[R.S.]

http://www.beyondveg.com/bratman-s/hfj/hf-junkie-1a.shtml

Good article.

[KnowShow]

you posted that before, and it was stupid.................guess what

....... Its still stupid..

the first part is about one idiots path of getting obsessed with his diet... Its called obsessive compulsive disorder...... and then its about one other idiot too...

okay so eating healthy is now bad because two idiots that did it went crazy...

thanks, I'll go eat some twinkies and wash em down with with a milkshake from mcdonalds

what is the point of posting this poor excuse for a topic?

[JBHK]

I think this article is very interesting. I have first hand experience of some of the things mentioned in the article. There is often alot of focus in this forum on diet without any references to the unwanted side effects of following a very strict diet. Some of these side effects cause physical symptoms (e.g. unwanted weight loss), but in my opinion there is an important psychological element that is never discussed. I think the article points those out and it can only be good to raise awareness. Thanks for posting rubber sheep!

[R.S.]

you posted that before, and it was stupid.................guess what

....... Its still stupid..

the first part is about one idiots path of getting obsessed with his diet... Its called obsessive compulsive disorder...... and then its about one other idiot too...

okay so eating healthy is now bad because two idiots that did it went crazy...

thanks, I'll go eat some twinkies and wash em down with with a milkshake from mcdonalds

what is the point of posting this poor excuse for a topic?

you missed the point completely.

your posts reveal a lot about your character. who wants to listen to any of your shit when all you do is try to bash others just because you have the insecurity to not be able to acknowledge the flaws in the particular diet you endorse?

the point is we should try to eat healthy but not to the point of dietary perfectionism. and no, that's not called obsessive compulsive disorder. the other point is that our using diet as a form of healing can, to the extreme, manifest itself in an eating disorder. we don't want to substitute one ailment (acne) for another (eating disorder). the point was NOT that eating healthy is bad. also, it was in no way said that you should go to mcdonalds and wash down your milkshake with a happy meal.

there's a healthy medium road, but i forgot to realize that your style of thinking is black and white - you only see in extremes and it's pretty evident in the post you just made. your whole thought process seemed to go something like this: okay so this article says eating healthy 100 percent of the time may not be the best thing for us? that must mean let's eat mcdonalds 24/7! wrong.

so maybe you should reread the article and realize it all went over your head the first time through. until then, stop giving such a poor excuse of an opinion.

[Dami4n]

i try and be a right healthy eater now
its hard

[Adam82]

you posted that before, and it was stupid.................guess what

....... Its still stupid..

the first part is about one idiots path of getting obsessed with his diet... Its called obsessive compulsive disorder...... and then its about one other idiot too...

okay so eating healthy is now bad because two idiots that did it went crazy...

thanks, I'll go eat some twinkies and wash em down with with a milkshake from mcdonalds

what is the point of posting this poor excuse for a topic?

Another outstanding contribution. Thanks.

[AndD]

http://www.beyondveg.com/bratman-s/hfj/hf-junkie-1a.shtml

Good article.

Didnt have time to read the whole article as such. I just wanted to add what I have been saying to a few threads in the diet forums.

Sometimes people can put too much emphasis on diet, get caught up neglecting certain foods and nutrients because they believe them to be unhealthy or causing some medical problem (acne in my case)
I have been through the whole phase of cutting out foods i thought were causing my acne by going on stupid diets I had read on the internet or that were being promoted by some health business types trying to sell you supplements too etc, or from what I just ate or might have eaten in the previous few days. At one stage I had elimanted alot of foods and I am sure it wasnt doing me any good. I never let it get too far or serious, though at one stage I was losing quite a bit of weight. Anyway im in good health generally apart from the acne problem and I personally feel angry when I read these threads where people are going on about sticking to ridiculous diets that long term may have more negative than positive effects. Still each to there own just from my own personal experience it makes me go AAARRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!! when I read such things.

[Marrakech]

http://www.beyondveg.com/bratman-s/hfj/hf-junkie-1a.shtml

Good article.

haha, well, lets see if orthonexia whatever nervosa person will live longer than any obese person..?

[R.S.]

They will, but the point is your mental health is compromised.

[Marrakech]

They will, but the point is your mental health is compromised.

I disagree.. plus, arent you following a HEALTHY diet also hehehe

[R.S.]

They will, but the point is your mental health is compromised.

I disagree.. plus, arent you following a HEALTHY diet also hehehe

I do follow a healthy diet, but digress off the path with occassional sweets and 'cheat foods'. Some lines I won't cross though, like trans fats.

I think the mental health of someone is comromised when they are constantly worrying about what foods to eat and having a perfect diet for their entire life. So that's what I was trying to get across.

[KnowShow]

you are too funny rubber sheep.. don't get so worked up.. jeez. Now what I don't like about you is that you are always in the diet/holistic health boards, yet you can't even follow a healthy diet.. Then you trash peoples diets.. Maybe because your jealous. But I think it goes deeper than that. I think you want everyone to be miserable and overweight just like you... Seriously.. WHY DO YOU POST IN DIET/HOLISTIC HEALTH WHEN YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE ABOUT IT...Then you blame it on things like mental health...thats ridiculous.... last time you were saying my diet is bad and posted an article about fruitarians... My diet isn't a fruitarian diet.... why didn't you read the diet I was talking about before you try to say how it doesn't work..
then the only thing bad they could say was that its bad for your teeth, oh and 1 person died at age 70... see there is no point to your postings..

I was just in a post where you said you eat ice cream and cookies... ICE CREAM?? Seriously stop posting in this section, you need to go over to mild/moderate acne... or severe acne or even the general boards.. you are not helping anyone... you are just trying to help yourself feel better... im sorry it won't work.

by the way I never bash others unless they start the negativity... this posting is not going to help anyone... the cases are so rare and extreme that it is a waste of everyones time.. stop researching evidence to support your lack of will power to follow the diet you wish you could follow..... when you can do this.. c'mon back. you do seem very intelligent and I'd love to hear what you have to say if you were endorsing a healthy diet.. it's just that your mindset is stuck in denial that it's okay to not eat healthy...................
face it ....your acne is caused by the food you eat... next time you want that ice cream go look in the mirror... good luck

[JBHK]

you posted that before, and it was stupid.................guess what

....... Its still stupid..

the first part is about one idiots path of getting obsessed with his diet... Its called obsessive compulsive disorder...... and then its about one other idiot too...

okay so eating healthy is now bad because two idiots that did it went crazy...

thanks, I'll go eat some twinkies and wash em down with with a milkshake from mcdonalds

what is the point of posting this poor excuse for a topic?

you missed the point completely.

your posts reveal a lot about your character. who wants to listen to any of your shit when all you do is try to bash others just because you have the insecurity to not be able to acknowledge the flaws in the particular diet you endorse?

the point is we should try to eat healthy but not to the point of dietary perfectionism. and no, that's not called obsessive compulsive disorder. the other point is that our using diet as a form of healing can, to the extreme, manifest itself in an eating disorder. we don't want to substitute one ailment (acne) for another (eating disorder). the point was NOT that eating healthy is bad. also, it was in no way said that you should go to mcdonalds and wash down your milkshake with a happy meal.

there's a healthy medium road, but i forgot to realize that your style of thinking is black and white - you only see in extremes and it's pretty evident in the post you just made. your whole thought process seemed to go something like this: okay so this article says eating healthy 100 percent of the time may not be the best thing for us? that must mean let's eat mcdonalds 24/7! wrong.

so maybe you should reread the article and realize it all went over your head the first time through. until then, stop giving such a poor excuse of an opinion.

Couldn't put it better myself, so wont even try!!

you are too funny rubber sheep.. don't get so worked up.. jeez. Now what I don't like about you is that you are always in the diet/holistic health boards, yet you can't even follow a healthy diet.. Then you trash peoples diets.. Maybe because your jealous. But I think it goes deeper than that. I think you want everyone to be miserable and overweight just like you... Seriously.. WHY DO YOU POST IN DIET/HOLISTIC HEALTH WHEN YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE ABOUT IT...Then you blame it on things like mental health...thats ridiculous.... last time you were saying my diet is bad and posted an article about fruitarians... My diet isn't a fruitarian diet.... why didn't you read the diet I was talking about before you try to say how it doesn't work..
then the only thing bad they could say was that its bad for your teeth, oh and 1 person died at age 70... see there is no point to your postings..

I was just in a post where you said you eat ice cream and cookies... ICE CREAM?? Seriously stop posting in this section, you need to go over to mild/moderate acne... or severe acne or even the general boards.. you are not helping anyone... you are just trying to help yourself feel better... im sorry it won't work.

by the way I never bash others unless they start the negativity... this posting is not going to help anyone... the cases are so rare and extreme that it is a waste of everyones time.. stop researching evidence to support your lack of will power to follow the diet you wish you could follow..... when you can do this.. c'mon back. you do seem very intelligent and I'd love to hear what you have to say if you were endorsing a healthy diet.. it's just that your mindset is stuck in denial that it's okay to not eat healthy...................
face it ....your acne is caused by the food you eat... next time you want that ice cream go look in the mirror... good luck

You really do exemplify everything that is worst about those people who believe in the acne / diet connection. You make sweeping statements about a particular diet being able to cure acne in 90% of cases with very little evidence to back up what you are saying. You state that rubbersheeps post is about him/her having a lack of willpower. You appear to be completely unwilling to contemplate that for some people a change of diet/lifestyle is not the solution to their acne. P.S. why should the diet/holistic forum only be open to those who have positive things to say about the diet / acne connection? Is the prescription forum only open to those who have positive things to say about prescription drugs? No the forums are about people expressing opinions (including, unfortunately, opinions which are sometimes ill informed) as well as sharing experiences.

[KnowShow]

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You really do exemplify everything that is worst about those people who believe in the acne / diet connection. You make sweeping statements about a particular diet being able to cure acne in 90% of cases with very little evidence to back up what you are saying. You state that rubbersheeps post is about him/her having a lack of willpower. You appear to be completely unwilling to contemplate that for some people a change of diet/lifestyle is not the solution to their acne. P.S. why should the diet/holistic forum only be open to those who have positive things to say about the diet / acne connection? Is the prescription forum only open to those who have positive things to say about prescription drugs? No the forums are about people expressing opinions (including, unfortunately, opinions which are sometimes ill informed) as well as sharing experiences.
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you couldn't be any more incorrect.... I didn't claim that diet works for 90% of people... the biochemist who wrote the book said that.. and this was based on the twenty or so people who tried her diet and it worked for 90% of them... Everyone I've talked to that has tried this diet it has worked for except for 1 person....ive talked to 12 or more..
next... I understand quite well that diet will not solve everyones acne problems, thats where the 10% comes in retard... maybe its a larger percentage.. who cares....
Negativity is not needed when people are simply trying to help eachother... If some dumbass that has no idea what they are talking about goes around saying that everything doesn't work, then some people will believe them and it could have been something to help them... I never say you must try this, it will cure you... I simply offer people things to think about and try and see if it works for them... I do agree, however, that it is okay for someone to express opinions that may be negative to the original idea, but only when they have some proof that this will not help anyone, or the writer is completely wrong, like you in this instance... I don't know why you made these assumptions about me and accusations against me but I think you are very out of line, and don't know what you are talking about.. shithead

[Elsewhere]

Please play nice, people. This doesn't need to turn into a flame war.

[R.S.]

you are too funny rubber sheep.. don't get so worked up.. jeez. Now what I don't like about you is that you are always in the diet/holistic health boards, yet you can't even follow a healthy diet.. Then you trash peoples diets.. Maybe because your jealous. But I think it goes deeper than that. I think you want everyone to be miserable and overweight just like you... Seriously.. WHY DO YOU POST IN DIET/HOLISTIC HEALTH WHEN YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE ABOUT IT...Then you blame it on things like mental health...thats ridiculous.... last time you were saying my diet is bad and posted an article about fruitarians... My diet isn't a fruitarian diet.... why didn't you read the diet I was talking about before you try to say how it doesn't work..
then the only thing bad they could say was that its bad for your teeth, oh and 1 person died at age 70... see there is no point to your postings..

It seems to me you're the one getting worked up.

I do follow a healthy diet for the most part, and yes I do eat dairy free ice cream and cookies on occassion but that's for the exact reasons mentioned in the article - striving for dietary perfection isn't what I want to do. When I cheat and eat an unhealthy food, I'm sure to exercise or remain active to work it off because your body sees food first as fuel and second as something tasty, so you should treat it as such. Overweight? Please. I'm my normal weight, 6 ft and 150lb. Kinda slim, actually. Want everyone to be miserable? Yeah, that's why I post things about juicing, superfoods, the benefits I've seen with daily exercise, etc. Things that have been helping me, by the way. Blame it on mental health? I don't see how you jump to that conclusion, unless you don't agree with the fact that people who are constantly torturing themselves into eating the perfect diet where every last bit of food is organic, grown locally, sprouted and eating in the perfect proportion to the amount of hunger you have. That's taking it to an extreme, but honestly it's food. Let's eat our fruits and vegetables and be happy about it without obsessing over the last detail. That's what I'm saying as far as compromising your emotional health - there's not a word about 'blaming it' on anything. By the mention of your diet, it did look MOSTLY fruitarian, that is you said all cooked proteins are bad and raw eggs / fruits are the only source you need. Then you said humans weren't meant to eat plants - wow, that sounds kind of on the border of fruitarian idealogy to me. It may not be the diet itself but it's sharing close ties.

I was just in a post where you said you eat ice cream and cookies... ICE CREAM?? Seriously stop posting in this section, you need to go over to mild/moderate acne... or severe acne or even the general boards.. you are not helping anyone... you are just trying to help yourself feel better... im sorry it won't work.

Honestly, why the negativity? So I eat Rice Milk Ice Cream, does that really offend you so much that you would tell someone to leave this forum? It sounds like you're getting more worked up over diet. By the way, 5g of sugar per serving is hardly something to get worked up about. I'm sure you'll probably counteract this with "Its' still ice cream and you're just making excuses" but the point is for the most part I follow a very healthy diet full of fresh fruits and vegetables, raw juices, herbal teas, spirulina / other superfoods, etc.

I like how you think I'm depressed. Hell, I used to be pretty down because the acne thing was getting to me but I started looking at things in a different light, getting more exercise, sleeping at good hours and dealing with stress better. Now I'm pretty much content with whatever. The reason I post mainly in this forum is because diet and holistic lifestyle is what has helped me the most - I tried the whole assortment of creams, lotions, prescriptions, antibiotics, topical retoionoids, etc. All of it irritated my skin and left it red, none of it had any lasting improvement. Maybe glycolic acid, but that was one of the most irritating of them all.

How are you trying to paint the picture that I don't have anything to contribute over a single thread I made? That's pretty faulty.

by the way I never bash others unless they start the negativity... this posting is not going to help anyone... the cases are so rare and extreme that it is a waste of everyones time..

It's still a good article to read, and others seem to agree. You're the only one who had a problem.

stop researching evidence to support your lack of will power to follow the diet you wish you could follow..... when you can do this.. c'mon back. you do seem very intelligent and I'd love to hear what you have to say if you were endorsing a healthy diet..

Do you honestly think I spend all day trying to research reasons not to follow a certain diet? Once again, don't take things to the extreme. I followed a pretty strict candida diet for about 6 weeks and have been eating relatively healthy since. I don't endorse a single healthy diet because I don't think diets are something to be mixed with the philosophies and idealogies that come along with them like so many do (Paleo, Raw foods, etc.) The mainstream nutritionists have been saying it for awhile, and it's pretty true - eat atleast 5 fruits and vegetables a day, whole grains and no refined flours, organic meats and freerange poultry / eggs, and you'll be healthy. From all the research I've done, this is mostly on par. Now, some acne sufferers will have problems with things like certain grains (wheat for the most part), dairy, maybe even red meat. But that's not to say these foods are inherently bad when they're in their whole, natural form (antibiotic free, growth hormone free, preferably raw dairy, etc.).

it's just that your mindset is stuck in denial that it's okay to not eat healthy...................
face it ....your acne is caused by the food you eat... next time you want that ice cream go look in the mirror... good luck

I know acne is caused by diet and I've known that for awhile. If I get a new pimple I know why it's there. You think I didn't realized that months ago? Seriously, stop talking like I drown myself in sweets every day.

[mask]

you posted that before, and it was stupid.................guess what

....... Its still stupid..

the first part is about one idiots path of getting obsessed with his diet... Its called obsessive compulsive disorder...... and then its about one other idiot too...

okay so eating healthy is now bad because two idiots that did it went crazy...

thanks, I'll go eat some twinkies and wash em down with with a milkshake from mcdonalds

what is the point of posting this poor excuse for a topic?

[Marrakech]

I think its good to obsesses over what you eat sometimes, because 1st. you're investing in your health longterm and 2nd. Usually during obsessions, something is discovered which can benefit humanity

[JBHK]

Your postings truly betray how ignorant you are and it is worrying that there may be people out there trying to follow your advice. You posted a thread titled “Change your diet without changing your life� in which you said, and I quote “This acne diet works for 90% of people with acne�. In making that statement you DID NOT attribute it to that figure to anyone but yourself. Go back and check your post.

next... I understand quite well that diet will not solve everyones acne problems, thats where the 10% comes in retard... maybe its a larger percentage.. who cares....

I care - especially if the relevant percentage is actually 99.9%. Whilst you refer to the 10% you don't seem to accept that they truly exist. For example, look at your post to rubber sheep in which you say "your mindset is stuck in denial that it's okay to not eat healthy... face it ....your acne is caused by the food you eat... ". In that statement, you definately state that his/her acne is caused by diet.

Negativity is not needed when people are simply trying to help eachother... If some dumbass that has no idea what they are talking about goes around saying that everything doesn't work, then some people will believe them and it could have been something to help them

Balance is definitely needed in these forums and if you and others choose to see it as negativity that’s too bad. That balance comes from people sharing their experiences positive or negative. What makes me laugh is that many of those who believe in the diet / acne connection simply are not prepared to listen to anyone who has anything negative to say. If I were to post a message saying “tetracycline and it didn’t work for me� people would accept it and move on. However, when someone expresses a view that diet didn’t work and produced some unpleasant side effects it gets dismissed as some dumbass that has no idea what they are talking about.

I do agree, however, that it is okay for someone to express opinions that may be negative to the original idea, but only when they have some proof that this will not help anyone

Again - total nonsense. I don't think any of the posts on this thread have claimed that diet will not help anyone. It is ridiculous to require people to prove claims that they are not even making. You haven't taken the time (or are incapable of) understanding the complexity of the point that is made in the article and the points that have been made in these posts.

I think you are very out of line

That's really laughable coming from you.