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Veen
post Mar 28 2008, 10:03 AM
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See my flowchart. Any questions? smile.gif
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post Mar 28 2008, 10:08 AM
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post Mar 28 2008, 10:09 AM
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The "Bad Diet; Poor Digestion" should probably be linked to "Nutritional Deficiencies."

Otherwise, great flow chart. Did you make it?
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Diet (I stick to this as much as I can): eggs; meat; poultry; wild-caught seafood; vegetables; fat sources from coconut oil, olive oil, and butter; fruit as I crave it; tea; and purified water. I buy organic and/or pastured foods as I reasonably can, but I think that it's the type of foods you eat, and not the quality of food (within reason, of course) that most determines how healthy you will be.

I highly recommend green smoothies as nutrition powerhouses. They are good on so many levels.

Now experimenting with a higher proportion of legumes, nuts, and seeds in my diet.

I eat absolutely no gluten. I limit intake of all grains, but up to two servings of non-glutenous grain a day is fine. I avoid all added sugar--high fructose corn syrup, sugar, honey, etc. I stay away from soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, and other oils not named olive or coconut. I base my diet off of whole, unprocessed foods, and I prepare them in healthful, delicious ways.

Daily exercise. Sunlight whenever possible.

Supplements: Currently? None. Supplements that have helped in the past (and I can personally recommend) are fish oil, zinc, apple cider vinegar, Vitamin D.
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post Mar 28 2008, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (Veen @ Mar 28 2008, 04:03 PM) *
See flowchart. Any questions? smile.gif


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post Mar 28 2008, 10:40 AM
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It's pretty good. But I'd move pro-inflammatory diet so you could link it to refined carbs as well.
And other foods are inflammatory as well.

And according to Perricone, inflammation makes cells inside pores not exfoliate properly and cause clogged pores.
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Good Things for Acne

Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). Mild cleanser. Occasional BHA usage. Jojoba or Moisturizer w/ niacinimide for hyperpigmentation. For more info see my personal Log/Notes

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. All inter-related, some with a causal effect on the others Also affected by environment and lifestyle habits like stress management, sleep and exercise.
Lots more info.
List of clinical studies demonstrating diet and acne connection.
List of members who've cleared their skin via diet and healthy lifestyle.

Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!


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post Mar 28 2008, 10:42 AM
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If you made this, nice job!

QUOTE (Raggamuffin @ Mar 28 2008, 11:13 AM) *
QUOTE (Veen @ Mar 28 2008, 04:03 PM) *
See flowchart. Any questions? smile.gif


That... avatar..... horror


Oh, come on, it's cute wink.gif
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post Mar 28 2008, 11:23 AM
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Yeah, I made this. Gonna write a big long page out of it explaining all the variables. Wanted to see if I got most of it now.

I didnt link nutritional deficiencies to anything, because its relateed with alot of variables, that would get complicated.

Pro-inflammatory diet includes refined sugar.
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post Mar 28 2008, 11:31 AM
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If you wanted to avoid all those things you would have to live on a mountain far from civilization....

The chart is lovely....... amused.gif
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post Mar 28 2008, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (IFeelBroken @ Mar 28 2008, 06:31 PM) *
If you wanted to avoid all those things you would have to live on a mountain far from civilization....

The chart is lovely....... amused.gif


Ya, thats what it looks like, but I think that when you fix the most important factors (gut dysbiosis, cell resistance and an overloaded liver), you build in a buffer and you're body will be able to handle more stressors without breaking out.

A factor I left out in the chart is that people with acne have genetically oversensitive hormone receptors. I think this is what seperates us from people who eat like crap etc and dont break out. But I didnt know a good place on the chart for that..

I dont believe that our livers have less capacity or something than other people. But our livers are defenitely overloaded, thats why some people get clear from liver cleansing. Maybe our livers focus on eliminating toxins and have gotten less efficient in eliminating used hormones..
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post Mar 28 2008, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (Veen @ Mar 28 2008, 11:08 AM) *
QUOTE (IFeelBroken @ Mar 28 2008, 06:31 PM) *
If you wanted to avoid all those things you would have to live on a mountain far from civilization....

The chart is lovely....... amused.gif


Ya, thats what it looks like, but I think that when you fix the most important factors (gut dysbiosis, cell resistance and an overloaded liver), you build in a buffer and you're body will be able to handle more stressors without breaking out.

A factor I left out in the chart is that people with acne have genetically oversensitive hormone receptors. I think this is what seperates us from people who eat like crap etc and dont break out. But I didnt know a good place on the chart for that..

I dont believe that our livers have less capacity or something than other people. But our livers are defenitely overloaded, thats why some people get clear from liver cleansing. Maybe our livers focus on eliminating toxins and have gotten less efficient in eliminating used hormones..


Great I am a mutated freak! lolz

I would love to live in the mountains away from reality but I'd miss my starbucks and my McDonalds....
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post Mar 28 2008, 12:31 PM
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That is amazing! May I use that in the future when showing people?
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post Mar 28 2008, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (Veen @ Mar 28 2008, 12:23 PM) *
Pro-inflammatory diet includes refined sugar.


I meant to say move it up so you could show a direct link without making the diagram any messier. But I left out the word up.
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Good Things for Acne

Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). Mild cleanser. Occasional BHA usage. Jojoba or Moisturizer w/ niacinimide for hyperpigmentation. For more info see my personal Log/Notes

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. All inter-related, some with a causal effect on the others Also affected by environment and lifestyle habits like stress management, sleep and exercise.
Lots more info.
List of clinical studies demonstrating diet and acne connection.
List of members who've cleared their skin via diet and healthy lifestyle.

Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!


When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!
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post Mar 29 2008, 06:48 AM
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yep, i'm happy with that graph veen. I think you did a great job. I personally don't believe in the stress correlation but others do and I respect that so all in all very well done.
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post Mar 29 2008, 07:24 AM
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The stress correlation is the strongest imo, apart from wheat
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Regimen:
  • Exercise -
    At least 3 times a week 'sweating' aerobic exercise
  • Diet -
    No wheat, dairy, processed sugar heavy foods, pork! etc.
    Plenty of vegetables, lots of tuna, chicken and other meats and proteins such as seeds. Occasionally fruits.
    Plenty of Olive Oil and coconut oil.
    Peppermint Tea
  • Wash -
    Dove sensitive hand lotion (for face) twice a day.
    LookGr8 Detoxifying Glycolic Wash once a day.
    Exfoliation by electric shaver.
  • Topical -
    Acnecide BP.
  • Supplements -
    Calcium+Magnesium, Multivitamin, Probiotic, Fish Oil, Zinc, Vit. C, Taurine, Vitamin A+D, Psyllium Husks.
  • Other -
    Sleep well and regularly.
    Meditate.
    Relax!
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post Mar 29 2008, 11:30 AM
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Ya stress is definitely a big factor.

QUOTE (NdnRomeo @ Mar 28 2008, 07:31 PM) *
That is amazing! May I use that in the future when showing people?


Yeah sure!

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post Mar 29 2008, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (Constantine @ Mar 29 2008, 08:24 AM) *
The stress correlation is the strongest imo, apart from wheat


Not in my opinion. I don't have issues with either.
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Status: Clear after 30 years. Over 3 years in March '09!

Good Things for Acne

Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). Mild cleanser. Occasional BHA usage. Jojoba or Moisturizer w/ niacinimide for hyperpigmentation. For more info see my personal Log/Notes

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. All inter-related, some with a causal effect on the others Also affected by environment and lifestyle habits like stress management, sleep and exercise.
Lots more info.
List of clinical studies demonstrating diet and acne connection.
List of members who've cleared their skin via diet and healthy lifestyle.

Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!


When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!
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post Mar 29 2008, 09:33 PM
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Wow, that's an amazing chart. I am not sure I can get my head around it just yet though. eusa_think.gif

I do agree that stress plays a part. For example, my skin was looking the best it has looked in years, didn't change a thing with diet, etc... then this past week was stressful and BAM, a large spot on my chin. confused.gif

I wonder if taking ACV internally can help with cleansing and even detoxifying (e.g. the liver)? I sure hope so because I just started adding it to my routine.
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MY ROUTINE
WATER and Rooibus Tea (8-12 cups/day)

AM
- Immediately after shower, wash with Basis Sensitive Skin Soap
- Use a few drops of Jojoba mixed with water when/if skin is dry

PM
- Again wash with Basis soap

Supplements w/meal (once a day or split up during the day):
- 3 capsules Primrose Oil (3000mg for hormonal acne)
- 3 capsules Carlson Fish Oil (w/orange extract)
- 1 caplet Nature's Life Green-Pro Multi
- 1 capsule Taurine (500 mg),
- 2 caplet "Now" Calcium Citrate with Zinc
- 1 capsule Probiotic supplement (w/acidophilus, etc.)

Other Diet Info:
- Vegetarian; eat organic food almost exclusively; avoid caffeine & sugar as much as possible; no milk, only organic soy milk (EdenSoy); very little cheese; no trans fats, processed food, or junk food PERIOD.


Current Status since 8.09: 99.9% clear; no current pimples, just fading red marks, mostly around my chin area (hormonal I believe).
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post Mar 29 2008, 09:45 PM
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If you showed this chart to a derm they would literally think you are nuts. What is modern medicine when it is the community updating the doctors with information to help them do their job properly.
They are either really smart and deceptive or really ignorant and lazy. I'm still not sure which one.
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post Mar 30 2008, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (chrisaus @ Mar 29 2008, 10:45 PM) *
If you showed this chart to a derm they would literally think you are nuts. What is modern medicine when it is the community updating the doctors with information to help them do their job properly.
They are either really smart and deceptive or really ignorant and lazy. I'm still not sure which one.


I'd say derms are a little of both: some have so many drug companies in their back pockets that it is in their best interests to prescribe all these chemicals, antibiotics, etc... all of which only last temporarily. Also most know nothing about nutrition and trying to solve problems from the inside, out. Most are certainly shifty: eusa_shifty.gif
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MY ROUTINE
WATER and Rooibus Tea (8-12 cups/day)

AM
- Immediately after shower, wash with Basis Sensitive Skin Soap
- Use a few drops of Jojoba mixed with water when/if skin is dry

PM
- Again wash with Basis soap

Supplements w/meal (once a day or split up during the day):
- 3 capsules Primrose Oil (3000mg for hormonal acne)
- 3 capsules Carlson Fish Oil (w/orange extract)
- 1 caplet Nature's Life Green-Pro Multi
- 1 capsule Taurine (500 mg),
- 2 caplet "Now" Calcium Citrate with Zinc
- 1 capsule Probiotic supplement (w/acidophilus, etc.)

Other Diet Info:
- Vegetarian; eat organic food almost exclusively; avoid caffeine & sugar as much as possible; no milk, only organic soy milk (EdenSoy); very little cheese; no trans fats, processed food, or junk food PERIOD.


Current Status since 8.09: 99.9% clear; no current pimples, just fading red marks, mostly around my chin area (hormonal I believe).
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QUOTE (Veen @ Mar 28 2008, 12:08 PM) *
QUOTE (IFeelBroken @ Mar 28 2008, 06:31 PM) *
If you wanted to avoid all those things you would have to live on a mountain far from civilization....

The chart is lovely....... amused.gif


Ya, thats what it looks like, but I think that when you fix the most important factors (gut dysbiosis, cell resistance and an overloaded liver), you build in a buffer and you're body will be able to handle more stressors without breaking out.

A factor I left out in the chart is that people with acne have genetically oversensitive hormone receptors. I think this is what seperates us from people who eat like crap etc and dont break out. But I didnt know a good place on the chart for that..

I dont believe that our livers have less capacity or something than other people. But our livers are defenitely overloaded, thats why some people get clear from liver cleansing. Maybe our livers focus on eliminating toxins and have gotten less efficient in eliminating used hormones..


Wow nice work veen! surprised.gif I'll have to print it out and put it on my frige.

Maybe you could put the part about the acne sufferers oversenstive hormone receptors as an astrick at the bottom below the chart?
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Morning - As of 5/15/08
Primal Defense probiotics - 2 pills upon waking
Wash face w/ Carly's Clear and Smooth
Breakfast
Organic EVOO - 2 tbs
Green smoothie w/ added protein, fruit, wheat grass, 2 tbs ACV, MSM, turmeric
Vitamin C - 1000 mg
Vitamin B Complex
Dry Vitamin E - 400 iu
Calcium - 600 mg
Nordic Naturals Omega 3 Fish Oil - 1 tsp
Dinner
Organic EVOO - 1 tbs
Chromium Picolinate - 200 mcg
Borage Oil - 1000 mg with high amount of GLA
Twin Lab Arctic Cod Liver Oil - 1 tsp
Night

ZMA - 3 tabs
Wash face w/ water. Tone: ACV/water. Moistourize: aloe vera w/ niacinamide

AVOID: Hydrogenated vegetable oils, red meat, dairy, sugar, bad carbs.

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