Hello everyone,

I am a stranger here. I have been surfing this thread because I am curious about Acell's possible usage for fighting male pattern baldness.




This iodine thing interests me just as much as Acell now.

The doc offhandedly refers to his iodine treatment "causing new hair growth around the scar" or something to that effect. He says it as if that was a minor footnote, but it would be nothing short of amazing if we are talking about actual scalp hair. Even the rejuvenation of preexisting weakened scalp follicles would be a VERY big deal if it's happening to any visible degree.

I realize the doc was probably speaking of body hairs around the scarring in his comments, but the mere possibility of this stuff also being able to cause scalp hair effects is extremely tantalizing.



Can anyone offer any further elaboration on the hair issue? Comments on the specifics of trying this at home? So far the instructions presented have not gotten a whole lot more specific than "topical lugol's solution" but what exactly are we talking about here?

-- Eyedropping small amounts onto the scar and blotting it into place, rubbing away the excess or big stains with water afterwards? Dropping it on there, and then leaving it there wet as it fell?

-- Once a day? Morning & nightly? Repeatedly throughout the day as much as necessary to keep the area wet or stained, even if you're redoing it every hour?

-- Straight lugols, or diluted in some way? Diluted with what?

-- Are there any thoughts on what this stuff might do differently to unscarred skin (and thus, for the hair purposes I'm after)?



I know you're in the infancy of the iodine experiments here but I am very eager to see where this might lead. A natural substance that effectively works to rejuvenate one type of skin problem might work on another.

This post has been edited by lac: Nov 14 2009, 01:18 AM

Not really, I was able to click on them just fine. But as for the pictures, it looks like it can somewhat work for the hair, as for scars, it looks like a better version of a skin graft. I still didn't see any indented scars being treated, except for that infamous finger, but who knows the story behind that.

What if your entire face is just full of scars and whatnot, do you excise your entire face and apply pixie dust all over it, doesn't seem very practical. It seems like applying lugol's full face for a year in this case would probably do better, well if it works. Anyone tried it yet? Did you see the scar getting hyperemic?

The finger can be at least half explained by the fact that fingertips normally are more regenerate-able than most things on the body. Happens more with children.


Acell did more for that finger than I would ever believe could be achieved by a band-aid and some disinfectant. Especially for a man that age. But I also doubt that magnitude of result could be repeated in most other areas of the body.

decorin <<<< and apligraf <<<<<<... that 2 things are the answers... search!!!

what's news about juvista? i think that is another joke like 'acell' two lies..

im extremely interested in lugols solution aswell as im hoping it will help my stretch marks.

id appreciate it if you could send me the paper you were talking about NEOmike. ive been doing alot of research into it for the past month and actually saw a post you made on another site (curezone i think, small world eh). ive read both of doctor derrys papers and they are extremely interesting. ive tried to do more research but there doesnt seem to be alot of information out there at all. i think its just one of those treatments where im going to have to try it for myself to get any answers.

tbh it all seems a little too good to be true, but i have just ordered some lugols solution off hyperdrug. i have no idea if its any good but its cheap and pretty much the only place i can find that sells it. i figured if the worst comes to the worst then ive only wasted £4.

so im going to give it ago, but i would be extremely interested to hear from anyone else who has tried it or who is currently trying it. even if you've only been doing it a few days i would be interested to hear how it is going, as it is said that regeneration starts after only a couple of days.

i dont really know what to do so im just going to pore some lugols onto a cotton wool ball and then wipe it all over my stretch marks. ill do this for a couple of weeks and see if i see any changes. i know this is a short period of time but the doctor does state that the regeneration process only takes a couple of days to start, so i must be able to see whether its doing anything.

any help or thoughts would be appreciated

thanks

This post has been edited by pepo: Nov 15 2009, 08:18 PM

Sounds about right. Well I am not really sure what to do either, seems like you just pour that stuff on your scar, make sure it stays in place and let it do its magic.

I guess I am going to go out and get it as well, and see what it will do on some of the scars I have on my arms before trying face. Unlike some people I will post about any changes/improvements/worsening, be prepared for the worst I am a harsh critic.

Btw exactly what lugol's did Dr. Derry used, there seems to be so many with all different intensities.

Unless this doc is selling Lugol's solution I really don't see how this could be bullshit.

It's not gonna make him a medical superstar just to discover this. It's not gonna make him rich by offering specialized treatments of something at his own clinic either; the whole thing is too easy.

I don't see any motivation to exaggerate or lie, and I don't see much gray area for the success or failure of this. He's just saying chronically applied topical Lugol's heals scarring - either it works or it doesn't.




I am going to try it on a scar on my arm. It's an old childhood injury that has been there for at least 15 years now. It wasn't very deep or stitched up or anything, it's just a skin abrasion that bled & formed scar tissue on the surface in a spot about the size of a nickel or quarter.

we speak in which scientifically it can make each substance:

Lugol or solution of Lugol is a diatomic iodine solution|I2 (1%) in balance with potassium iodide|KI (2%) in distilled water. It was appointed in honor the French doctor Jean Guillaume Auguste Lugol|J.G.A. Lugol

I ask. the potassium iodine or iodide as it can generate regeneration? it seems to me of science fiction, it is as to put an apple above of a scar and to say that it regenerates the skin.

God wants that this mistaking!

no more words guys, start treatment and then let see.


asked again : any news about juvista?

put eyes on 'decorine' <<< inhibition collagen, and cells can grow


pd: sorry my bad english .


'acell is a joke, i know , i hope all people knows '...

hi all together,

i think everything about topical iodine should be discussed in the new thread. some of you are already doing this.

@eterna:

why do you think acell is a joke?
it works, it may not work in the way we like it. but i still hope that there is a opportunity.
maybe future scaffolds will bring what we are all hoping.

these are interesting times and i think it's the best way to follow every path which brings us closer to the regeneration of scars. so why should we not use acell, iodine, stem cells etc. for our purpose? science will bring every year, every month news concerning our problem and i stíll believe that there is no miracle needed for scar regeneration. it will be the first thing which can be corrected if the regenerative medicine takes off.

stay tuned. everything will go it's way.

NEO

Inspiring words there Neo.

If ECM is non denatured, and the fibrils stay slender you will get site specific tissue. By the fact the intercellular cells can grow through the ECM. (When you are non wounded, the ECM in your body stay non denatured and you do not scar, your intercellular cells can pass through it)

So if it doesn't work then that means the ECM is denatured and has allowed crosslinking...

Trying to remain objective: The two Acell photos for me

1. No scar: The keloid one, you can not see any scarring. There could be some there, the picture may not have picked it up. However going on the picture: this shows the fibrils stayed non-crosslinked as you have site specific tissue with no scarring.

2. Scarring: The other picture of the MOHS, you can see scarring in the top half of the picture (bottom half seemed OK), therefor the ECM used was either denatured or become denatured which crosslinked the fibrils with excess collagen (i.e. you have scarring).

If the second one is the regular pattern I will not be using that type of ECM. If the keliod one was the regular result I'd use the ECM.

This post has been edited by seabs135: Nov 19 2009, 01:27 AM

so, acell is ECM non denatured or not? perhaps if I above put decorin of acell to have better result...

maybe apligraf ECM non denatured ...I have approval regeneration in a photo here.



This post has been edited by eterna_maldicion: Nov 19 2009, 03:43 AM

From my personal understanding, Decorin would keep the fibrils slender, stop excess collagen build up (scar) which would enable the intercellular cells to grow through the ECM.

I've seen the apligraf photo and you can see scar free healing.

This post has been edited by seabs135: Nov 19 2009, 08:40 PM

Seabs, can we get this, or is this something a doc has to do? How is it actually used?

It is not for sale in any pharmacy were I live. Someone posted up a link on the decorin thread were it had a price.

What I've learned is decorin is a protein that is found in every unwounded tissue in your body, but it is more or less absent in wounds. It decorates the ECM and stops your non wounded tissues from becoming fibrous.

It has been shown to stop the fibrils from over expressing collagen (scar), so following logic if you apply it onto a wound that is in the process of laying new ECM, it would stop the fibrils from over expressing collagen.

BTW I'm no expert, I just follow what I have learned for myself like we all should.

This post has been edited by seabs135: Nov 19 2009, 10:21 PM