Frequently Asked Questions - Scar Treatments

Disclaimer: The information below is provided as a courtesy to address general questions. As we are not medical professionals, we cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of this information. By reading this information, you agree not to hold us liable for any damages that may result in your use of this information. This information should not replace information that your Doctor or Plastic Surgeon provides you. Please keep in mind that this is for general information only and results will vary for each individual.

Q: How can I prevent my acne from scarring?
A: The best way to prevent scarring is to prevent the acne that causes it. For moderate to light acne, see http://www.acne.org/regimen.html

For severe acne, please see your Dermatologist for recommendations, as different treatments are required for different situations.

Q: What is the Lemon & Vinegar Method?
A: This is a method that may improve the appearance of shallow, rolling scars. Drink either Robinson, Lemon Barley Water or plain water with half a teaspoon of lemon juice to a full glass of water throughout the day. It is best to use fresh lemons if possible. Use any diluted vinegar (organic apple cider if possible, malt or white are also acceptable) in warm water to splash onto the face day and night. You may have to experiment to find the right combination of water to vinegar. Try diluting it 1 part vinegar to 4 parts water to start with. First wash your face with your normal cleanser, and then apply the vinegar (dab the solution on with cotton balls and leave on) before other topicals/moisturizers (apply topicals 20 minutes later). You should see an improvement within a week or two.
For more information, read this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Free-ish-Scar-Treatment-t4885.html

Q: Can you describe the different types of scarring? scar types:
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/acne_scars.jpg

·Icepick: Looks like an ice pick has been pressed into the skin. It is generally small in diameter, but can be shallow or deep.
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/athrophic_scars.gif

·Boxcar: Looks somewhat like a chicken pox scar with more rounded edges. It can be small or large in diameter and is fairly deep, though not usually as deep as icepick scars.
http://chrisg.serveftp.com/Scripts/Web%20P...boxcar_scar.jpg

·Rolling: Looks like a smooth indentation in the skin. These scars can be deep or shallow, but are generally shallower.
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/atrophic_scars2.gif

·Macules: These are most common on the back, chest and arms. They are small areas of hairless scar tissue that will initially be red but will usually fade to pale ivory within 1-2 years. They can be raised (hypertrophic) or indented (atrophic).
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/hypertropic_scars.gif

For further information on scar types see: http://www.acneguide.com/tf/content.asp?z=78

There are two basic types of Raised scar types:
* Hypertrophic scars - are scars that are raised above the skin surface but remain within the boundaries of the original injury.

* Keloid scars - which are raised scars that extends BEYOND the boundaries of the original sore, blemish or injury. It is scar tissue gone wild. It can continue to grow. Some people are genetically prone to keloid scarring. There is a specialist forum for keloid scars: http://www.keloid-scars.com/index.htm

Q: What is Skin Needling (aka needle dermabrasion, aka dry tattooing or tattooing without pigment)?
A: This is a technique whereby a Dr. or Tattoo artist uses either a hand tool or a tattoo machine to “needle or “tattoo the skin without using pigment (water can be used in place of ink). This is said to "break up" the scar tissue thereby smoothing the appearance of the skin.
NOTE: It is possible to “needle yourself, but there are risks associated with this. Also, results are generally not as pleasing. It is best to see a specialist whenever possible.
For more information, read this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...amp;hl=needling

Q: Is Elicina effective in reducing the appearance of scars?
A: There are varying reports on this but it appears that a majority of users who have tried it have said “no. In general, topical solutions are not sufficient to affect moderate to deep acne scarring.

Q: Can I get rid of my scarring through the use of topical solutions alone?
A: As mentioned, most people with moderate scarring do not find that topical solutions have a significant effect on their scarring. However, they can help lessen scars if used in the healing stage. Please read this thread for more information:
https://secure.lf.com/drug/ce/spring_2001/c...cars_lesson.htm

Q: What is the difference between ablative and non-ablative lasers?
Definition of ablate from dictionary.com: "To remove by erosion, melting, evaporation, or vaporization."
Ablative lasers are much more invasive than non-ablative lasers. Ablative lasers are not recommended for use on darker skin colors.
Examples of ablative lasers:
- CO2
- Erbium: Yag
Non ablative lasers do not remove layers of skin, but instead penetrate through the skin in an attempt to stimulate collagen growth from underneath the surface of the skin. Non-ablative lasers are detailed later in this document.

Q: Will ablative lasers (CO2 or Erbium) reduce the appearance of my scarring?
A: It is possible that it will reduce the appearance of your scarring but it can come with a hefty price tag, a signficant amount of downtime and a risk of new scarring.

Q: What are the different types of non-ablative lasers and how can they reduce scarring?
A: There are several different types of non-ablative lasers. There is some controversy as to whether or not the appearance of scarring can be greatly reduced by the use of them. It is best for you to speak to your Dr. and to research the various laser treatments available to you. Here are examples and links to information about them:

SmoothBeam: http://www.candelalaser.com/Smoothbeam2/sb_photo_acne.asp
thread on acne.org: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Smoothbeam-Treatments-t8140.html

PLEASE READ THIS THREAD FOR MORE INFORMATION ON SMOOTHBEAM ON DIFFERENT SKIN TYPES: - http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Blistering-Smoothbeam-t17315.html

N-Lite: http://www.facialplasticsurgery.net/nlite.htmhttp://www.wrinklereduction.com[/url] thread on acne.org: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...3

CoolTouch II: http://www.cooltouch.com/products.html

IPL: http://www.intensepulselight.com/equipment.html

Q: Will dermabrasion reduce the appearance of my scarring?
A: It is possible that it will reduce the appearance of your scarring but it may come with a hefty price tag, a significant amount of downtime and a risk of new scarring. We suggest that research should be done before proceeding with such an invasive procedure. In addition, this is generally not a good option for darker skin tones.
See these thread for more information: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...hl=dermabrasion
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Dermabrasion-Anyone-t18697.html

Q: What is subcision? Will it improve my scars?
A: Subcision is a method whereby a Dr. uses a "Nokor" needle to break up the scar tissue underneath the surface of the skin. It is said to be best for “rolling scars that are “bound down. Bound down scar tissue looks smoother when the skin adjacent to the scar is pulled tight. Some peoples’ scarring has improved by this method, others have had minimal or no improvement, and others have had their scarring deepen (though this seems to be more rare). Please see your Dermatologist for further information on this procedure.
For more information, check the following thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...wtopic=3132

Q: Is there anything I can do to optimise my healing responses following invasive scar procedures?
A: Yes. Through a healthy diet and safe supplementation, you can improve your body's wound healing response effectively. Please read the following thread for more information:http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...t=0#entry778539
The following site may also be of some interest: http://www.beautysurg.com/learn/general_healing.html

Q: What is the "Dermaroller". Can it improve scarring?
A: The Dermaroller is an instrument that has tiny needles embedded in it that is rolled across the surface of the skin. It is mainly used for better absorption of topical treatments and does not appear to actually break up scar tissue. For more information, read this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...ard/forums.html...

Q: Can "Copper Peptides" improve scarring?
A: Copper Peptides may be able to improve the appearance of scarring by stimulating collagen production after a more ablative procedure such as needling. Copper Peptides are a topical treatment and therefore results will vary for each individual.
See this thread for more info:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...ard/forums.html...

Q: How can I get rid of my red marks / hyperpigmentation / brown marks / dark marks?
A: There are several different approaches to help this process. You may have to experiment to find which works best for you. The effectiveness of these treatments varies and they may have to be used in conjunction with other treatments for best results:
Prescription approach:
* Generally recommended: A Retinoid (i.e. Retin-A) & Hydroquinone*
Non-prescription approaches:
The tape method of exfoliation
The vinegar method of exfoliation
Apply an Alpha Hydroxy Acid peel (i.e. Lactic Acid, Glycolic Acid, TCA, etc.)
Apply a Beta-Hydroxy Acid solution
Vita-K for Blotchy Skin
Mandelic Acid Serum

All about lasers:
http://internationalrosaceafoundation.org/laser.html

Chemical Peels explained: http://www.lasernews.net/lasernews/laserne...8A?OpenDocument
http://www.plasticsurgery.org/public_educa...hemicalPeel.cfm

Q: Will Microdermabrasion reduce the appearance of scarring?
A: It is generally thought that Microdermabrasion cannot penetrate the skin deeply enough to affect the appearance of moderate to deep scarring. It is a great method of exfoliation, however and it is possible to reduce very shallow scarring by repeating this procedure in a series of several treatments.
For more information, check out this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Microdermabrasion-t191.html

Q: What are injectable fillers and how can they reduce the appearance of scarring?
A: There are many types of injectables used for augmentation. It has been shown that once they are injected into the skin, they can raise the surface of the scar. Unfortunately, most of the injectables widely available are not considered permanent. In addition, some are not available in all countries. Here is a list of some of them to get you started in your research:

Isolagen: http://www.isolagen.com/ thread on acne.org - http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...6
Fat (harvested from your own body) - See your Dr. for further info
Fascian: http://fascian.com/
Restylane: http://www.restylane.com/
Collagen (Zyderm/Zyplast): http://www.inamedaesthetics.com/
Artecoll: http://www.artecoll.com/
Aquamid: http://www.aquamid.info/
AlloDerm: http://www.biohorizons.com/alloderm.htm

Here is a thread on various types of fillers: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...c=19162

Q: What is the TCA CROSS Method?
For more information, read this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/CROSS-treatment-100-T-t5610.html
Here is a link to the TCA cross article in full text on Rapaports website:
TCA Localized Peeling: http://www.cosmeticskin.com/skin-acne4.shtml

Q: What is the difference between TCA CROSS and a TCA peel?
TCA CROSS is a method whereby a Dr. or skilled practitioner uses a high percentage of TCA Acid and spot treats each scar. This procedure is especially beneficial for ice pick scarring. TCA CROSS is something that should be done by a skilled practitioner because the risk of damage to your skin can be great. TCA peels are of a much lower percentage than TCA CROSS. TCA peels are done by Dermatologists and Aestheticians and affect hyperpigmentation and more shallow scarring.

Q: What is Punch Excision & Dermal Grafting?
A: Punch Excision is a procedure whereby a Dr. will use a tool to “punch out the scar and then sew the remaining skin together. Dermal grafting is a procedure whereby a Dr. removes skin from a different part of your body (usually from behind the ear) and places it into the scar. Ice picks are often treated this way.
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...=punch+excision

Q: How can lighting effect the appearance of acne scarring?
A: Lighting can have a tremendous effect on the appearance of acne scarring. For further information, please see this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Lighting-Effect-Acne-S-t24474.html

Q: My scars are raised, not indented. What type of scarring is this and how can it be treated?
A: This is called hypertrophic (aka keloid) scarring and can be treated with silicone sheets (OTC) or cortisone injections (provided by Dermatologist). http://www.cicacare.com/

Q: Is it okay for me to treat my scars while I am on Accutane?
A: No, it is suggested that you wait at least 6 months to a year to treat your scars after taking Accutane. Some individuals have reported that they seem to scar more easily while taking Accutane.

Q: What is the tape method of exfoliation?
A: This is a method whereby a piece of scotch/gift tape is applied to the surface of the skin and then gently removed. Once the tape is removed there may be pieces of dead skin that remain on the tape. Take care in using harsh topicals when this method is employed, as they will most likely irritate the skin moreso than if tape were not used.
For more information, check out this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Tape-Method-Peeling-Ch-t1320.html

Q: What is exoderm and will it help with my scarring?
A: [Edit: Many recent exoderm patients have complained about lack of effectiveness of this treatment with the side effects of more scarring and larger pores] Exoderm is arguably the most extreme form of scar treatment that you can undergo, and consequently, some people that have undergone the procedure have reported tremendous improvement in their scarring, as much as 90%. Other's have said it did not do anything even for their shallow scarring. However, the procedure is extremely intense. Here is a description:

You may be left with dramatic improvements in your scarring, but you will have to be dilligent with application of sun-block following the procedure as your skin may have lost its ability to tan.
Please look into this procedure very carefully if you are thinking of having it done.
Here is a link to the exoderm website: http://www.exoderm.co.il/about_us/default.html
and here are links to interesting threads detailing posters' experiences with the procedure:
http://www.absoluteacneinfo.com/acne-forum...ghlight=exoderm
http://asgic.proboards26.com/index.cgi?boa...;num=1083795258

Q: I have scarring on my body. Can I treat this in the same way as one would treat facial scarring or are there different procedures?
A: Body scarring is typically more difficult to treat than facial scarring, as less research has been carried out into this area. The following thread details some of the procedures and information that may be helpful:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Information-Body-Scarrin-t36327.html

List of helpful acne scar webpages:
http://www.tamaramadden.com/Acne_Scar_Websites.htm

Before posting a new thread, please go to the top of this page and try doing a search for the information you need. It's quite possible that the information you want is already on this board. Alternatively, follow the link below and it will take you right to the search facility.

This is the search link: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...=Search Type in a key word for what you are looking for and it will bring up all the threads here that topic was discussed.

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This thread is going to be dedicated to information regarding dermarolling..If you have any worth while links to add please do so..Just make sure that you dont add any links that have allready been posted..


Just to add..This information was put together by Bethany of the eds forum..She put alot of time and effort into this obviously and want to give credit where credit is due..

Environ® Medical Roll-CIT™ Micro-needling
Revolutionary New Approach to Medical Needling
Probably my FAVORITE rolling article - it contains frequency recommendations, as well as pre- and post-roll protocols for optimal collagen development. Also comparisons of rolling with 1mm vs. 3mm needles.
http://www.dermaconcepts.com/2004/environ1mmNeedling1.pdf


Micro Needling and Injecting Platelet Rich Plasma to Enhance Collagen Synthesis and Skin Tightening.
Author: Joseph F. Greco, PhD, PA/C
This article discusses a number of needling research studies, wound healing, and mesotherapy lifts (with pics)
http://www.microneedle.com/main/MTS_Roller...umbs&page=1


New Life for Lips
A VERY good article focusing on above the lip lines, usage of 1.0mm vs 3.0mm needles, and the protocols used by Dr. Des Fernandes (one of the inventors)
http://www.vivida.co.za/news/show_article/3


Minimally Invasive Percutaneous Collagen Induction
Desmond Fernandes, MB, BCh, FRCS(Edin)
This article provides a great overview of how collagen is developed with the micro needling process, as well as the rolling protcol, etc. (pics included)
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clini...f_N_Am_2005.pdf


The Collagen Induction Therapy
Provides an overview (with pics) of the medical roll process.
http://www.cit-nordic.com/thetechnique.html


Euro Medi Travel
Page 8 contains CIT frequency recommendations based on skin condition:
http://www.euromeditravel.com/doc/additional_info.pdf

Environ stunned the world...
Some results pics and detailed directions on how to do a roll, including frequency of usage for the .2mm Environ home care roller:
http://www.beautymagonline.com/pages/environ_rollcit.htm


Getting The Point
An overview of the process from Dr. Des Fernandes, including some frequency recommendations:
http://www.vivida.co.za/db_files/16_IIAA_newsletter.pdf


Some results photos from a Boston doctor (with pics):
http://www.bostoncentreaestheticmedicine.c...ninduction.html


A Miami doctor's webpage, with links to a video of him performing the procedure:
http://www.drbustillo.com/roll-cit.htm


The Dermaroller blog where I asked Horst Liebl about needle length, and his reply:
http://dermaroller.wordpress.com/2008/05/1...lagen-function/


The Dermaroller blog with a question and answer on rolling frequency:
http://dermaroller.wordpress.com/2008/04/2...ment-intervals/


STIMULATION OF CELL GROWTH
by Horst Liebl
http://www.dermaroller.de/us/science/abstr...eflections.html


Electrical Signals Control Wound Healing (dermarollers generate electrical charges)
http://www.dermaroller.de/images/stories/Findings.pdf


Percutanous Delivery By Dr. K. Anastassakis May 2005
http://www.dermaroller.de/us/science/percu...s-delivery.html


Collagen Induction Therapy in Mouse ( IPL vs. Micro-needling )
http://www.clinicalresolution.com/main/MTS...umbs&page=1


Skin Needling - A New Treatment for Scars and Lines
http://www.mesotherapyworldwide.com/images...0Doctors_MW.pdf


Percutaneous Collagen Induction Therapy: An Alternative Treatment for Scars, Wrinkles, and Skin Laxity
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs...pril%202008.pdf


MTS (Microneedle Therapy System) by Prof. Kim Beom Joon, Department of Dermatology
Dongguk University International Hospital
page 15 talks about delivery of ascorbic acid
Lots of pictures of scar revisions, striae, etc.
http://www.clinicalresolution.com/main/MTS-kimbeomjoon.pdf

*NOTE: I can't take credit for this! Most of it was written by Maya - a friend of mine and a former moderator here, who is trained in holistic medicine and has used the above regimen in treating her own scarring.
Thanks to her for providing this great info!!!

Holistic Recovery from Surgery

(Pre and Post Scar Revision/Surgery Protocol for Indented Scars.)


Disclaimer: The information below is intended as a series of suggested methods that may improve your healing post scar treatments. As we are not medical professionals, we cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of this information. By reading this information, you agree not to hold us liable for any damages that may result in your use of this information. This information should not replace information that your Doctor, Plastic Surgeon or nutritionist provides you. Please keep in mind that this is for general information only and results will vary for each individual.

I’m including this protocol for those of you who are having invasive scar revision treatments, whether at the doctor’s office or self administered. This includes revision methods such as dermabrasion, laser resurfacing, skin needling/tattooing, TCA CROSS, deep Chemical peels, subcision etc.

Regardless of the advances in Scar revision techniques, all forms of invasive techniques are stressful. The body’s healing response is still painful as it is to any injury. Both research and common sense tells me to eat an optimal diet and take extra nutrients that support me to heal faster and better. Adding supplements like Zinc and Vitamin C, known to speed wound healing and recovery is a smart step.

Most doctors provide little or no information on how diet choices and supportive therapies can jumpstart healing, although it is a crucial step to receiving the best possible result. A speedy recovery calls for more concentrated nutrients that a normal diet provides.

Have you considered why some people heal better than others? A scar revision method can only be as successful as your body’s ability to heal well and build the collagen necessary for your scars to rise.

Take a read through my recommendations and see which supplements may be a useful aid to your recovery. (Recovery from dermabrasion will need more support than a TCA peel for instance).

Many of the supplements listed can be included into your daily life (smaller doses will be needed), since most are supportive to rebuilding skin generally and are effective with or without surgery.

Start 2 weeks before surgery and continue for 2 weeks after surgery
To build your body’s natural defences before surgery:

Vit C – 3-5,000mg split into 2 doses (promotes healing, collagen growth and free radical scavenger)
Zinc – 60-70mg split into 2 doses - needs to be taken with oil/fat for absorption (Promotes wound healing and anti-oxidant)
B Complex 100mg and 500mg Pantothenic acid (B5) for adrenal strength/stress from surgery
Cod liver oil – 1-2 teaspoons – For Vit A and D and EFS (great skin healer and reduces inflammation)
Essential fatty acids - flax, salmon, evening primrose, borage oils – one or a combination is better. . (Promotes healing)
Calcium/Magnesium – 1000mg Calcium, 400mg Magnesium – Take these just before bed (Tissue repair). Don’t take at the same time as zinc, since they compete.
Multi Vitamin/Mineral – Take 1 a day with main meal to cover all missing elements from above.

Start 1 week before surgery and continue for 2 weeks after surgery

Bromelain 1,500mg split into 3 doses (curbs inflammation, reduces swelling, decreases bruising and pain)
Arnica Montana 180cc, split into 3 doses (reduces bruising and swelling)
MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane) 1-2,000mg split into 2 doses (has a good effect on growing hair, nails and skin; improves skin elasticity and thickness; reduces inflammation)
Gotu Kola capsules or tincture – 3 times a day (nerve tissue repair and promotes collagen synthesis)
C0Q-10 180mg, split into 2-3 doses with meals (strengthens ability to heal, free radical destroyers)

What NOT to do:

If you eat garlic, stop 3 days before surgery as it thins the blood and may increase bleeding. Also avoid aspirin, as it’s another blood thinner. Check labels on any other vitamin/herbal you take as well, and avoid any that have blood thinning properties.

Stop any synthetic Vit E supplements 4 weeks prior to curb post operative bleeding (Natural Vit E in foods like avocados is fine)

Diet/Lifestyle 2 weeks before and after:

Eat extra protein – you must have protein to heal. Quality sources of protein can be found in raw eggs, chicken, turkey, liver, oily fish like salmon and mackerel etc. Vegetarian protein includes tofu, grains mixed with beans, almonds etc. Always eat organic!
For Vit K (needed for efficient blood clotting) eat green leafy vegetables, blackstrap molasses, alfalfa sprouts, sea greens.
Probiotics – Either take a probiotic supplement or supplement your diet with ‘live’ yoghurt, fermented vegetables, Kombucha tea, kefir etc. as this is one of the best ways to synthesise Vitamin K
Fruit and Vegetables –Include at least 5 portions. Make a large salad with olive/flax oil dressing and/or make fresh pressed juices daily. Add super green foods that are rich in chlorophyll - get it from spirulina, wheat grass, barley grass, sprouted seeds, seaweed, chlorella etc. or you can buy a supplement that contains ‘superfoods’ as they strengthen your ability to heal. Eat avocados for skin elasticity. Eat pineapples and papaya as they contain enzymes useful in the break down of old scar tissue.
Whole grains – Brown rice, quinoa, millet etc.
Sleep early – Ideally before 10PM, 11PM at the latest.
Water - Drink a minimum of 8 glasses of pure, mineral or filtered water
Sea Salt – Add Celtic sea salt, or ideally Himalayan sea salt to your diet, they contain all the minerals your body needs.


The best all-round supplier I've found for most of the above supplements is www.iherb.com. Their prices are low and service is excellent, with extremely fast and reasonably priced shipping.

BEFORE EMBARKING ON A SUPPLEMENTATION REGIME, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO CONSULT WITH A QUALIFIED DOCTOR OR NUTRITIONIST.
These links may also be of interest:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/-t31390.html
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/PLEASE-READ-t38647.html


I will hopefully be updating this thread with the best topical products to speed healing when I get the chance.

THE SCAR FORUM SEARCH TOOL
( AND HOW TO USE IT EFFECTIVELY )


Hi Everyone,

Sorry if this may seem patronising to some of you, but I feel it is necessary to reinforce the importance of the search tool.

In the scar forum, due to the vast amount of posts and the wide range of treatments and products we are discussing, it is more important than in other forums to make good use of the Search tool. This is how a lot of the experienced members here have built up knowledge about procedures they have not had done themselves.

Before posting a question, please use the search tool to see if it has already been covered. In most cases, it will have been.

Also, please try and add your questions to the end of long threads about the procedure/product it is relevant to. This helps to keep all information in one source and prevents cluttering up the board.


MAXIMISING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SEARCH TOOL

Here are some easy steps for getting the most out of the search tool.

1. After you click on 'search,' (in the top right hand corner of the toolbar) click on MORE OPTIONS at the bottom. This will bring you to a new page. Alternatively, follow this link: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...rch

2. On this new screen, type in your key word or phrase. For instance, needling

3. Under the refine search headings, drop the tabs so that they read search posts from any date and sort results by number of replies

4. Click to Search titles only and show results by topic

5. Finally, make sure the scar treatments forum is highlighted under the 'search where' tab.

6. Click 'perform the search'.
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All this will ensure that you are taken straight to the list of the absolutely most relevant topics - you will only be looking at threads that are specifically about needling (having it in the title), and you will be looking at the most informative threads we have produced on the board - the ones with the most pages.

While it may seem daunting, it is definitely worth reading through all the pages of threads regarding procedures you think you would like to pursue.

If your search brings up no results, (which is unlikely) - try broadening the search, ie: by looking in 'entire post' rather than titles only.


Hope this is helpful, and have fun searching!

Paul and the scar forum moderating team.

Med Hypotheses. 2009 May;72(5):553-61. Epub 2009 Jan 24.
Successful human scar regeneration by topical iodine: a case report: an interim (3.5 year) summary.

Derry DM.


Control of regeneration and wound healing are scientific and clinical objectives. In 1997, topical Lugol's iodine solution applied daily for 3 days to a 50 year old facial scar lead to hyperemic scar tissue. As a working hypothesis, the author proposed topical iodine could initiate, control and complete human scar regeneration. In 2005, after collecting three more surgical scars, topical iodine applications began. Within 3 days all four scars started regenerating. Stopping topical iodine halted the process. Within a week an appropriate adult scar formed. Digital cameras recorded events. Regeneration is complex and slow. Its appearance depends on whether scar is covered with plastic or open. Iodine's chemical properties are discussed along with their reaction with epithelial cells. As there are no visible signs detectable changes from oral iodine on regeneration, details of iodine staining are more thoroughly described. Not all, but most important results are presented. Topical iodine induces hair growth in and around scars. Hair is regeneration's workhorse, moving purposefully in all directions under arrector pili muscle power delivering regenate material accurately to scar tissues and coordinating centers. In addition, hair repeatedly self amputates possibly strengthening regenerating tissues. Two types of regenate material show under plastic wrap: white and globular. The white regenate appears and behaves somewhat like snow, but can be yellow, green or brown depending iodine content. The globular form of regenate material maybe derived from white regenate material with hair's help. Globular regenate material is larger, nondescript, variable in size and color (depends on iodine content) and seemed usually associated with hair. There are two centrally placed coordinating centers 5 mm apart on major scars. Wrist centers have a palpable, but not visible ridge, between them whereas abdominal centers do not. Wrist centers lasted through all regeneration of the wrist scar, whereas abdominal centers were only present for about 18 months before falling off. This paper summarizes and adds to previous preliminary reports. The 50 year old scar regenerated completely 2 years ago. Small experiments on regeneration are possible because it is a slow process and more importantly can be stopped and started at will. These results support the proposed hypothesis topical iodine initiates, controls, and completes human scar regeneration.

PMID: 19168293 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19168293
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Abstract: Since Spallanzini first described salamander limb regeneration in 1769, there has been slow progress in understanding this process. Potential treatment benefits from regeneration are worth the effort. A hypothesis that topical iodine would regenerate human scar tissue is tested by applying Lugol’s solution to four scars of various sizes, degree of damage, and location for variable lengths of time. Regeneration starts a few days after applying iodine and stops and forms adult scar if applications are discontinued. One face scar has completely regenerated. The wrist scar’s terminal stages are being studied. The remaining two scars on the abdomen are behaving as if they are one and could take considerably longer to complete. Waiting for completion delays availability of this information for scientists, physicians, and patients. For the past three years, Nikon Cool Pix cameras recorded regeneration changes. Regenate material found under plastic wraps on the scars comes in two forms, snow-like and globular. Their function is unknown. Two black dots both 5 mm apart seen on the wrist and abdominal scar store iodine and appear to coordinate regeneration. Hair is the regeneration workhorse and does an amazing number of things. Amongst the hair activities are free movement to any cell within its range in any direction and self-amputation possibly to strengthen regenerating tissue. Hair delivers regenate material and may be sending cell signals by touch, regenate material, and electrical impulses. The hypothesis that topical iodine in the form of Lugol’s solution regenerates human scar tissue back to normal is supported by these preliminary findings.

http://www.thyroidscience.com/cases/Derry....egen.6.7.08.pdf

First and foremost, I am not going to go into academic detail about the use of progenitor cells, particularly autologous adipose derived mesenchymal stem cells, for the treatment of various skin conditions including the repair of hypotrophic (depressed) acne scars. I realize most people here will not be interested in me blabbing on and on about this and that hypothesis while citing various academic articles. I am simply going to say that I am preparing to conduct an experiment with these cells as I believe they are far more capable of flattening and beautifying skin in comparison to anything else that is currently used by the conformist medical establishment.

Anyway, both anecdotal and peer reviewed evidence exists to suggest that mesenchymal stem cells can be used effectively to radically alter the appearance of one's "damaged" skin. The anecdotal evidence largely comes from people who have had successful autologous fat transfers. If the procedure is done right, a large number of adipocytes and resident stem cells can survive the transfer only to integrate themselves into the site of injection. When this happens, the patient often observes a very positive and noticeable difference in their skin within a few weeks/months time.

However, there are not that many mesenchymal stem cells in fat. So, some researchers have proposed a more advanced fat transfer technique, wherein the mesenchymal stem cells are separated from the fat cells, then cultured/multiplied for a few days/weeks, and then either (A) recombined with the fat cells and injected into facial tissue deficits, or (B) injected without recombination with fat cells.

Either way, by culturing the said stem cells for a short period of time, one can increase their numbers exponentially. It really isn't very hard to increase the number of stem cells found in 10cc of fat tissue 1000 fold. For example, a thousand cells can be turned into a million cells with the right culturing solution, incubation temperature and time management. Think of what a 1000X viable cell mass can do for the skin in comparison to what has already been achieved with the traditional fat transfer procedure...

OK, to make a long story short I want to try this procedure in 2009. Currently I am in the process of adding new equipment to my lab. Once that's done and I am brave enough to try some of my ideas I will go for it.

That said, I am most certainly not the first person to be doing this. There are many clinics in Eastern Europe and East Asia that are already offering this service. I don't know much about their quality control processes nor have I seen their results firsthand. However, a colleague recently sent me some before/after pictures of a doctor in Asia who is apparently trying the above described type (A) procedure. Again, what this means is that stem cells are extracted from fat tissue, then cultured, and finally recombined with the fat tissue a few days later into what is essentially an enhanced autologous cellular mixture which can regenerate tissue deficits present at the site of acne scars... This doctor is experimenting with stem cells for anything from scar revision to breast enlargement.

Anyway, here are the photos that I received:

Acne Scars:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1989/st...acnescarib9.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7953/st...cnescar1er8.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6153/st...cnescar2lu8.jpg


Wrinkles:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6773/5417el9.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3797/5409lq0.jpg


The results look quite good and as far as I know are the product of a single treatment session.

In retrospect, the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes is quite new. On the other hand, the extensive academic peer reviewed animal model studies and these preliminary results as seen in the above photos are all quite stimulating and exciting. The problem is that I don't know of a single colleague in North America or Western Europe who performs this type of procedure. It may be because of the bureaucratic regulations set in place within these countries (sometimes an extension of religious perspectives), or simply because of traditionalist medical inertia, which I'm sorry to say is very prevalent in many of the wealthy and "advanced" countries.

To illustrate my point, I recently spoke to a plastic surgeon in Canada about this very issue. I asked if he had considered the use of stem cells to treat acne scars. He replied, "it's coming!"

I was amused so I asked him to elaborate. He then said that the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes will likely be available in 10 or so years. I was trying my best to be diplomatic when I explained to him that this exact procedure was already being performed in Japan, Russia, Korea, Taiwan, China, etc... Needless to say he was surprised by what I had to say. It was obvious to me that although he was being polite, he was also extremely sceptical that a young Bulgarian doctor may know something he doesn't... Finally after some ensuing discussions, he told me that he felt the use of synthetic dermal fillers was "good enough" and that the results he had achieved with these substances were very positive. In essence, he was being defensive and thus tried to redeem his lack of an innovative spirit with what I call B.S.!!! On the other hand, I'm pretty sure he is now more open to learning about autologous mesenchymal injections. Let's just abbreviate this procedure as AMI from now on.

Now I want to get to the point! If you live in a city and/or country where AMI is not available, then be the one to tell the medical community about it. Be the one to tell your local dermatologist and/or plastic surgeon that the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes is not science fiction, but rather science reality. Tell them that you are not talking about the use of embryonic stem cells, but rather about autologous adult stem cells. If need be I will give you information about how this procedure is performed since your doctor will likely not have a clue. I am here to help, and the point I am making is that you can also help yourself. Spread the information and get your local docs to start thinking about what's best for YOU the patient. Needless to say, the first doctors to start performing this procedure in your respective countries/cities will have an immense competitive advantage.

And you may just get to have the skin you've always wanted.

Best wishes and start spreading the message of change,

BRD

As any1 in the UK had Silicone injection done on there acne scars and who is the best Dr to do these injections?

3 days after using 1.5mm dermaroller. I don't have b4 picture cuz i so hate my scars
i never take pic of me so up close. anyway, i tried to capture it under most noticable lightning
and angle so you can say this is how it looks in real life(except forehead, i think it came out
a little nicer than what i usually see in front of mirror up close).

anyway, it's only been 3 days so i can't really tell it's working or not but i think scars
look a little less noticable if i see it from a distance and reflecting myself under lightning
in front of the mirror. i will keep updating for next 3 months and see if there's any improvement.

btw, i had profractional laser treatment 3 times back in early last year and it didn't give me
the result i want. i feel so stupid wasting $2000 on it to see only 10% improvement at max
and my face stayed burnt in brown color almost an year. not worth it.

as for acne, i had great success with dove soap + vitamin c lotion + clear 5 from
acne-vitamins.com. i get minor breakout time to time but nothing serious like
b4. i have been battling acne for almost 11 years now and nothing worked better.
i tried pro-active, murad, acne-free solution whatever and just about every single
acne product out there. nothing really helped me but those. now if i only can get rid of
these scars..

EDIT: I just found some old pics of me. Gosh.. I never noticed but these are bad. Yeah, it was
under different lightning but you can tell they are really bad. those are pictures of me over
3 years ago. Looks like i came a long way since then. i've tried egg mask, potato mask,
tomato mask, apple mask, warm towel, countless scar products + so many different kind of
chemical peels. and finally had profractional treatment october 2007 through 2008 feb. after profractional laser treatment, i was depressed with minimal result and left with brown burnt
face for almost an year. i took few months off and tried BB cream and darn 50% glycolic peel for 4 months b4 i finally gave up. took 3 months off and finally did 1.5mm dermarolling. now i look at this pic of me 3 years ago, i think it wasn't waste of time. hopefully, 3 years from now on, i get to laugh at pics of me now.

2nd EDIT: pics of me as of today, 08.14.2009, approximately 2.5 weeks after my 2st 1.5mm dermarolling. i don't see any huge improvement yet but hopefully, i get some decent result in next few treatments. sadly, dermaroller was no magic that makes pitted scar disappear over the night. sigh.. oh, yeah.. lightning on this picture is a little different from first one. i used same cam and took pics on same background and angle but used pgm mode instead of auto cuz my scar looks way more obvious this way.

3rd EDIT: pics of me as of today, 09.17.2009, approximately 11 days after 3rd 1.5mm dermarolling treatment. i had to change location but it's still under same lightning.
pics came out alright but it sometimes look better or worse depending on angles and
position i take. when it looks worse, it looks like i have 3rd degree burn. no photoshopped.

4th EDIT: pics of me as of today, 11.16.2009, approximately 22 days after 4th 1.5mm dermarolling treatment. overall result is good besides my forehead area. i had minor breakout on forehead so it left me so brown marking which i don't mind much but actual scar didn't improve as much as i hoped it would be. 2 more weeks, i will do my 5th treatment and hopefully, i get some magical result.

date of 1st treatment: 06.23.09 1.5mm dermaroller
date of 2nd treatment: 07.26.09 1.5mm dermaroller
date of 3rd treatment: 09.06.09 1.5mm dermaroller
date of 4th treatment: 10.25.09 1.5mm dermaroller

well, it's free and i'd like to get your guys' input on the results of daily massaging of scarred skin.

does this really stimulate the production of collagen, or is it a waste of time and a possible way of spreading bacteria.

finally, would gentle exfoliation be an alternative to massaging, or not quite?

thanks in advance

Do they ever show improvement with time if you just dont use anything to try and fix them? If so, is the progress years, months, or will they always look the same no matter what? Please, someone answer me if you know or if you see even remote "levelness" over time

Although I posted these in another forum, to make it easier for those looking for this possible solution, I am starting a new thread. There was another person on here that was going to show pictures of before and after but decided it was not a good idea for him, which I understand. I on the other hand am going to do so. Let me give you a little background first, if you don't mind.

I had very severe acne in 1983. Fortunately, Accutane had just come out and I was finally put on it. It was early in its development, so I had a foot grow out of my head, but the acne went away . What I was left with is severe scarring as you will see from the pics. In 1992 I had dermabrasion, fat transfer and collagen injections with no measurable improvement. In 2003, I had 5 sessions of Smoothbeam with similar results. I, like many of you, was almost resigned to just living with it considering the options. Which brings me to my last attempt, silicone injections.

I have attached 1 picture here that was taken in September of 2008 before the first silicon injection (the final pictures are down a few posts). As of August 21, 2009, I have now had 6 sessions with extremely talented Dr. Lam of Plano, TX. I am very happy about my results, to say the least.

I understand the misery and hopelessness, trust me. I know this may not be the answer for everyone, but hopefully this will be the answer for some of you. I wish you the best in your search.

Well i started today with my journey of using tca to treat my scars i have been unhappy with. I ordered what is said to be 100% tca from mytcapeel.com but i believe it is just a high percentage of tca and not 100%tca after speaking with someone who works there. I used a toothpick as directed and the scars frosted after about 10 seconds. You could almost see the skin being eatin away which is scary when it is your skin but after reading almost everything i could on the wed about this treatment i decided that i might be worth a shot so. Now the large pock marks look almost bigger then before and the other just look red. I applied neosporin to the affected areas and now i am just going to wait and see. I will keep you all posted on my progress and possibly ad photos. Anything to help us in our battle against these ego damaging marks

Hey all,

Im feeling pretty happy! I came across some things that may improve atrophic scarring. These are the indented ones e.g. ice picks and box car scars that seem to be soooo hard to get rid of.

Anyhoo they aren't from the usual scam websites. I found them in some journal articles and they seem to have worked in controlled studies. They aim to treat a condition known as "skin atrophy", which appears similar to indented acne scarring, though is often chemical induced.

They are:

1. Tacrolimus ointment
2. Pimecrolimus cream 1 percent
3. Elidel
4. TRIAC

I plan to look at them in more detail. If all is good, they might be worth a try

Interested to know what you all think.

Enjoy !

I realize this is personal or painful for some people, but I'm very curious to hear the hurtful names people with scarring have been called, directly or perhaps overheard indirectly.

I'll go ahead and start off the list, some names/descriptions that come to mind are scarface (which is kinda cool for some reason ), craterface, perhaps even pizza face back in the acne days.

Anyone?

http://www.dsalud.com/noticias_32_21.htm <<< translate on english pls.


apparently decorin causes that the skin regenerates without scars, modulates the collagen and allows the cells to emigrate and to be developed.

can be bought this protein decorin in some laboraty? since this just discovery and not to be expected 20 years until it leaves a product with so simple protein that I imagine that it is possible to be obtained now and to be experiment.

somebody that can obtain this protein and to be applied it and to see that results give, according to that Link are necessary to multiply it by 200 of the normal dose

pd:sorry my bad english.

Im unsure if many people here have heard of this product but seems to be quite promising, and not like another 20 years away either. The crux of it seems to be that after an operation, (not specifically acne scar revision) but similar, the companies lead product juvista is injected into the wound margins and scarring is significantly reduced. They appear to have other products as well in the pipeline for internal scarring also. If u were going to have an excision or similar this seems the way to go. Anyways definately worth checking out!!!

http://www.renovo.com/content.asp?c_id=9



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Thanks to seabs135 for summarising the thread thus far in the above pdf.

I have suffered from acne since the age of 14,I am now 30. I to know all to well the frustrations that come along with having it.
But,however,this post is to warn individuals who are considering using Murad as an solution to their acne difficulties. It did not happen to me personally but to a close friend who suffered horribly from the use of it.
She saw the commercials and the websites and having had severe acne and was desperate as nothing seemed to work the slightest...What i am about to reveal I promise is not an exaggeration of the truth!
She began using it and noticed that it burned terribly but assuming that it was working she contiued.....after a few more uses her acne seemed to get worse concerned she call the murad hotline only to be told that it was a natural reaction and that her skin was adjusting to the product.
With'in days I am not kidding her face was covered it HUGE swellings...not a single place on her face was absent from one of these swellings...I have NEVER seen anything like it...I felt so bad for her..She was in pain..she had to seek medical attention...She was told that the worse thing she could have done was continue use....This lasted six months she couldn't work or leave her home....Again I had never seen anything so bad.....I warn anyone condsidering using this!!!

Hello,

I suffered moderate/severe acne from about 14 to 17 which left me with a number of shallow scars and a lot of discoloration, as well as about thirteen icepick scars and overall "dead skin" in some areas. I eventually discovered that this stemmed from liver weakness caused by an allergy to gluten. Upon cutting off gluten my acne immediately stopped, after having persisted constantly; it now only returns if I somehow ingest gluten -- usually within a day, in fact.

I'm now considering a therapy to repair my scarring -- I have "type III" skin and am thinking to try a TCA peel to handle the redness and skin texture, as well as to help some of the shallow scars, and also a combination needling/subcission to handle the deeper and icepick scarring. (A dermatologist in my area kindly offered to do needling with subcission as needed for $200). I believe these three will give me pretty good results, perhaps to be touched up if needed by more than one peel or session, but I'm wanting to ask about what order might be best for them -- should I try a peel first, which will, I think, leave only the deeper scarring (for my skin in general isn't that bad aside from texture and the deeper scars), and then have these worked on by the dermatologist? I will probably do the peel myself, with a 20% concentration. I would like to hear suggestions on this and my plans in general.

Here are photos of my face from about a year ago -- note that I don't have active acne now and that my face isn't very sensitive to oiliness, dirt etc, just primarily gluten it seems.

http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=190001

Thank you

Hello,

I've tried a few procedures from fraxel to needling with not much success and I've come to the point where I'm so self conscious about my scarring, that I won't even go out anymore if I see my skin in bad lighting :L

Question is, has anyone here had positive results with excising scars (cutting them out)? I would much rather have a linear stitchmark scar than boxcars, icepicks etc.

Really, I just don't want to have any scars that look like acne scars....QQ

Please share your experiences.

Hi Guys,

I am using a 1.5mm dermaroller and a numbing cream. I am not sure if I put too much pressure, but I am pretty sure I have larger pores after two rolling sessions.

Have you heard any incidents from people that damaged their skin applying too much pressure with a skin roller? Unfortunately my skin looks worst after the last treatment 4 days ago, so be careful how much pressure you apply especially if you use a numbing cream.

Any Fraxel Restore people who are still active here? I know Bellydance isn't here anymore, but I'm hoping somebody else still is.

Particularly South East Asian or people with Fitzpatrick skin type III-IV. I'd like to know what maximum level of restore you've had without experiencing hyperpigmentation?

I've documented mine (4 treatments) in my signature..but I'm thinking of bumping up maybe just to level 7 for spot treatments on some of my stubborn chicken pox scars (many have shrunk a good 50-80%) and discoloration maybe about 75-100%). This is from four months ago.

if you know which one I should focus on...energy depth (I'm up to 70mj for spot treatment, which I was told the highest they could get), or maybe reduce the depth, but increase the level to have more exposure (Dudley mentioned something about going up in 3% increments). For spot treatments the nurse used smaller tip, which suprisingly made it less painful.

was thinking about having the fraxel laser done, but wanted to know if anyone who has done it before thinks it is worth the money?

Phew! Today, my quest to improve the appearance of my scarring took me back to the doctor who performed my two Total FX fractional laser treatments.

Many of my small scars were improved with the laser. They are still visible, but they are at the point now that I feel that I can live with them. I can look in the mirror and feel "ok" about the way I look, but there's still one pretty large and deep rolling scar on my cheek that really bothers me. The one scar that I am really not yet "ok" with. I know fillers are a temporary solution to a permanent problem, but at least the results are basically instant whereas other methods take months or years to yield results. Plus the needling at the injection site might have long-term effects. You never know!

So after I arrived at the med spa, I had a topical anesthetic applied to my cheek. Then I had to wait around in a very boring room for about 30 minutes while the area was numbed. I was glad I had the presence of mind to bring a book. They didn't even offer to bring me a magazine!

I asked about Perlane because someone in my other thread mentioned that it was thicker and better for acne scars. She said she hadn't heard of that before. She wanted to know if the poster said why it was better, but I didn't recall that they had. All she could say was that it goes deeper. But she was offering me a special price of $100 for the Restylane so I went with that.

I have a pretty high pain tolerance, I think. But this was probably one of the most painful procedures I've ever had. Before she injected the filler, she used the needle to try to break up some of the scar tissue. The needle going in and out stung, but that wasn't the worst part. The most painful thing was after the injections. She pressed down really hard on my skin, moving the filler around, squeezing and pinching my face. She had me open my mouth and stuck her finger in to press on my cheek from both sides. I appreciate her moving it around to make sure it was all where it should be, but it was so painful!

In fact, even though it's a good four hours later now, IT STILL HURTS. Like a dull ache in my cheek. Out of all my treatments, none of them had pain that persisted like this. Anyway, right now it looks a little lumpy (It actually looks a lot like acne cysts. I hope it's not!) and swollen, and I have some bruising, too... But probably in a week or two I'll be able to give an accurate assessment of improvement. Stay tuned!

Before and after pictures:

http://dend359.tripod.com/leftface.html
http://dend359.tripod.com/leftsidecloser.html
http://dend359.tripod.com/rightface.html
http://dend359.tripod.com/rightfacecloser.html
http://dend359.tripod.com/frontface.html

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Today I know a lot more about this product than I did weeks ago and because of this, I want to write a even clearer direction than I gave out in my PMs and FAQ that I have received from many people who wonder about this product.

First off, what is the difference between a dermaroller and this kit? Inside this kit, I guess you can call it a "dermastamp" and the difference between those two is one, you "roll" with the dermaroller and you "stamp" with the dermastamp. Now you may ask what else is different, well to be honest, that is really the only difference as far as the procedures go (I will explain that below).

For those with the Divine Beauty kit (aka dermastamp) you don't just go ahead, start applying the numbing cream and start stamping, you have to do something else before getting to the real thing! First thing is to apply the area to be treated with the Cleanser that comes with the kit and rinse after. Then proceed to applying the KickStart, then you lightly stamp the area you applied it with the 1.0mm face disc so the cream can get below the skin. When finished, wait 30-45 minutes. After the long wait, the direction that comes with it tell you to wipe it off, but you are not suppose to! I repeat, you do not wipe the KickStart anesthetic! Proceed to put on the Maintain on the area you are about to work on and this time you use the 1.5 mm (the larger disc). As you are stamping, you may wonder why you aren't bleeding like you were when you used that 1.0mm and after all, this is .5mm longer ! This is the beauty of the kit (hence the name ), the Maintain that you put on not only further numb your face, but it is a blood constrictor so during your procedure, there should be little to no bleeding! When you are done stamping the area, proceed to the next that you would like to work on and remember to apply maintain first before stamping!

Now you are done stamping..... With phrase 1. yes, it is not finished yet my friend, now on to phrase 2! What is that you ask? Simple, it is the same as phrase 1! One thing though, you do not apply the KickStart again! However, you should again apply the Maintain to the areas you are again stamping over. Blah blah blah.. once you have finished phrase 2, it's time for phrase 3! Again, apply Maintain to the area, stamp stamp stamp, and before you know it, you are done! Well not quite.. . When finished, apply the cleanse once again on the treated areas then give yourself a good rinse and pat your face dry. Then apply a thin layer of the A&C serum. Remember to cleanse and put on the A&C serum day and nigh daily guys, it is really good stuff. oh, and you are now done with the treatment

Important notes

You are supposed to stamp the right and left side at least 40+ times (40+ stamps on each side of the face) during each phrases but if you ask me, I sometimes do 45-60 stamps to make sure I really did work the skin.

Want to stamp over your forehead, temples, or jaw bones? Do not use the 1.5 mm needle disc! I repeat, do not use the 1.5 mm as it is too long for those skin levels! Instead, use the 1.0mm.

This one was a great question asked, are you supposed to stamp the same scar 10 times? The answer is no, you will do the opposite you're trying to achieve and tear up your skin instead! The most I would stamp on the same scar is 2 or 3 during each phrases.

Remember to stretch your skin!! This one was also a great question, the person asked if this kit will raise his deeper acne scar up and the answer is yes! In fact, during your procedure, remember to stretch your skin with your other hand to penetrate the dermis effectively!

You cannot apply any other products, sweat, or go outside and see the sun after treatment! Wait for 48 hours before working out or applying any other products but wait at least a week before getting in contact with the sun! I would still be careful even after a week but if you must, remember to apply sun block.

The needle disc can be used up to 6 treatments.

The downtime before you can do another treatment is 6 to 8 weeks! Your face will thank you for this

I think I have covered everything.. correct me if I'm wrong. Now on to the FAQ:

How long till I will see improvements?
To be honest, you may not see much during your first or second week but on your third, you should notice something.

Why did you choose this over dermaroller?
I was looking at the laser treatment and Divine Beauty ECIT happened to have be on one side of the video and it caught my attention with the title and after seeing the videos and seeing the before and after pictures, it looked too good to be true so I gave it a try. Did I mention, it is 75% less expensive than laser and almost has the same effect? The pros also outweigh more than the dermarollers so that was also an impact to my decision.

Where is the 2.0mm?
You really don't need it as it is too long for the face! Why use it when 1.5 mm needles puncture the dermis just fine? If you must use it, Divine Beauty has them, just be warned that you have been told

How do I stop the nervousness?
I have to be honest, I was still nervous on my second treatment but once you get that first stamp down, you will find it a lot easier than you thought. As the saying goes, you fear more than what it really is.

The kit is so expensive! Why is this?
I agree with you too but to be honest, anything that improves my skin, I'm willing to pay the price for it. After all, you get what you pay for.

Pros and Cons between Dermaroller and Divine Beauty RejuvaStamp ECIT (aka dermastamp)

Dermaroller
Pros:
Affordable
Many users on here to help
Same concept as Divine Beauty only cheaper
Cons:
Needles may bend
Doesn't guarantee results
Have to buy 6 different things


Dermastamp
Pros:
Guarantee results (steps must be done as according)
Disc small enough for you to stretch skin with other hand, allowing better penetration
Clean treatment with little to no blood
Needles won't bend
Everything is there for you to start
Cons:
Expensive
Not many users to help (perhaps one day )

I hope this answers a lot of your questions, I will also put this on the front page of the blog for newcomers to read and make it a lot easier to relocate in case you want to refer to this in the future.

Remember, to get yourself locked into the 100% money back if you don't see improvements guaranteed within 6 months, send your pictures at sales@rejuvastamp.com before buying the kit and mail them the pictures again after you worked the areas if they approve of your scars.

To read more about them, here is the website
http://rejuvastamp.com/about.html

Thanks for reading and best of lucks to those who try out this kit, I really believe it will work for you if it worked for me

These are the pics of my scars. Im wondering if anyone can give me some good advice as to what treatments to seek. I have high hopes for stem cell treatments but its not an option for me in the next few years.

Thus now Im wondering if anyone can think of any other treatments that are suitable for me. Its taken by a camera phone so the quality is pretty bad. I've put the pics in black and white though so it should be easier to determine the extent of my scarring lol.

Gosh the black and white pics scare myself lol

Hi everyone,

I am researching different treatments for acne scars, because I am looking for a product that will help heal/fade the scars from the acne on my back and chest areas. I was wondering if any of you have heard about or, better yet, have actually used an acne scar treatment product called the "Dermajuv Acne Scar Removal System." I've read a couple great online reviews about it, but I was hoping that some of you might know something about this product personally?

Any thoughts you have would be great!

Thanks!

We had a party at work today and I was helping myself to some food. Now this female coworker who i noticed has a dislike for me and i'm assuming it's cause of my scars. I was only a couple feet away and she and a group of people were sitting down and i could here her say,"there's something wrong with the side of his face." then another co worker near her said," I know, i'm taking note of it" Obviously I didn't turn around to say anything cause i was so upset and self concience. I quickly ate my food and pretended to be ok but then i left the room. I just couldn't believe in a room full of adults people could stoop to this low a level. It just made me angry and upset and i literally just wanted to leave work altogether, go home and kill myself. i try my best not to think about my scars but when people come out and say stuff like that knowing your right there listening it just opens up all kinds of wounds. How can people be so damn cruel???

I figured I would log my use of a derma roller. anybody who wants to follow along or chime in then feel free. I have a 1.5mm and I did my first treatment today. I just did my right cheek as this is where the worst of my scaring is and being new at this there is no point going any further right now.

I sanitized my skin and the derma roller prior to doing this. I did not even ice my face before doing this. next time I might just do that. It took awhile to get a hang of it and I will be better next time I do it. there was definitely some pain. It was less painfull as I got further along into it. I was abit unsure how hard to press ect... there was some bleeding. I thought maybe there should be lots of bleeding needle holes but that was just not going to happen. and I pressed plenty hard enough I felt. Next time I will use short strokes as they seem to be the best way to go. I rolled in several directions like you are supposed to.

My skin is red and irritated a bit and sore. Looks kind of crappy but thats ok, it will get better. I used a vitamin c lotion with vitamin b, e and other nutrients in it after I was done. Not sure what to expect as far as the recovery process, only time will tell.

Again anybody who wants to comment or make any suggestions ect.. are more then welcome. I will update from time to time with updates and details. I am only going to focus on my right cheek for awhile til I can see how this all plays out.

I have posted before about my use of evolence breeze for filling acne scars. Nobody responded though. Did anyone apart from me use it for filling? If not, that is a shame cos I think it was probably the best option for acne scars. Well it has been discontinued now. I couldn't believe it.

Johnson & Johnson have given no reason for the discontinuation but have cited that it is not do with any advserse reactions/side effects. And that the product is very safe.

My only hope is that the technology is bought up by somebody eles. Evolence, in my opinion, beats the hyaluronic acid fillers (restylane,juvederm etc) across the board.

- it is cross linked with ribose, you aren't injected any dangerous chemicals into your body

- there has not been one documented allergic reaction. Plenty have come to light with the hyaluronic acid fillers

- it doesn't migrate

- it has lasted so far 12 months with me.

- it is an actual structural filler (collagen), unlike the hyaluronic acid ones that are water plumpers.

It really is frustrating that products like restylane continue when Evolence is discontinued. Grrrr.

I am thinking about going to my dermatologist for help with my acne scars. I've been using retin a and erythromycin for a while and I have seen no improvement in acne scars. They are as noticeable and red as ever. If I do go to the dermatologist, and they suggest some type of in office treatment, would it cost money? If so, how much? And what types of in office treatments are offered? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I have Blue Cross Insurance if that matters.