This thread is going to be dedicated to information regarding dermarolling..If you have any worth while links to add please do so..Just make sure that you dont add any links that have allready been posted..


Just to add..This information was put together by Bethany of the eds forum..She put alot of time and effort into this obviously and want to give credit where credit is due..

Environ® Medical Roll-CIT™ Micro-needling
Revolutionary New Approach to Medical Needling
Probably my FAVORITE rolling article - it contains frequency recommendations, as well as pre- and post-roll protocols for optimal collagen development. Also comparisons of rolling with 1mm vs. 3mm needles.
http://www.dermaconcepts.com/2004/environ1mmNeedling1.pdf


Micro Needling and Injecting Platelet Rich Plasma to Enhance Collagen Synthesis and Skin Tightening.
Author: Joseph F. Greco, PhD, PA/C
This article discusses a number of needling research studies, wound healing, and mesotherapy lifts (with pics)
http://www.microneedle.com/main/MTS_Roller...umbs&page=1


New Life for Lips
A VERY good article focusing on above the lip lines, usage of 1.0mm vs 3.0mm needles, and the protocols used by Dr. Des Fernandes (one of the inventors)
http://www.vivida.co.za/news/show_article/3


Minimally Invasive Percutaneous Collagen Induction
Desmond Fernandes, MB, BCh, FRCS(Edin)
This article provides a great overview of how collagen is developed with the micro needling process, as well as the rolling protcol, etc. (pics included)
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clini...f_N_Am_2005.pdf


The Collagen Induction Therapy
Provides an overview (with pics) of the medical roll process.
http://www.cit-nordic.com/thetechnique.html


Euro Medi Travel
Page 8 contains CIT frequency recommendations based on skin condition:
http://www.euromeditravel.com/doc/additional_info.pdf

Environ stunned the world...
Some results pics and detailed directions on how to do a roll, including frequency of usage for the .2mm Environ home care roller:
http://www.beautymagonline.com/pages/environ_rollcit.htm


Getting The Point
An overview of the process from Dr. Des Fernandes, including some frequency recommendations:
http://www.vivida.co.za/db_files/16_IIAA_newsletter.pdf


Some results photos from a Boston doctor (with pics):
http://www.bostoncentreaestheticmedicine.c...ninduction.html


A Miami doctor's webpage, with links to a video of him performing the procedure:
http://www.drbustillo.com/roll-cit.htm


The Dermaroller blog where I asked Horst Liebl about needle length, and his reply:
http://dermaroller.wordpress.com/2008/05/1...lagen-function/


The Dermaroller blog with a question and answer on rolling frequency:
http://dermaroller.wordpress.com/2008/04/2...ment-intervals/


STIMULATION OF CELL GROWTH
by Horst Liebl
http://www.dermaroller.de/us/science/abstr...eflections.html


Electrical Signals Control Wound Healing (dermarollers generate electrical charges)
http://www.dermaroller.de/images/stories/Findings.pdf


Percutanous Delivery By Dr. K. Anastassakis May 2005
http://www.dermaroller.de/us/science/percu...s-delivery.html


Collagen Induction Therapy in Mouse ( IPL vs. Micro-needling )
http://www.clinicalresolution.com/main/MTS...umbs&page=1


Skin Needling - A New Treatment for Scars and Lines
http://www.mesotherapyworldwide.com/images...0Doctors_MW.pdf


Percutaneous Collagen Induction Therapy: An Alternative Treatment for Scars, Wrinkles, and Skin Laxity
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs...pril%202008.pdf


MTS (Microneedle Therapy System) by Prof. Kim Beom Joon, Department of Dermatology
Dongguk University International Hospital
page 15 talks about delivery of ascorbic acid
Lots of pictures of scar revisions, striae, etc.
http://www.clinicalresolution.com/main/MTS-kimbeomjoon.pdf

*NOTE: I can't take credit for this! Most of it was written by Maya - a friend of mine and a former moderator here, who is trained in holistic medicine and has used the above regimen in treating her own scarring.
Thanks to her for providing this great info!!!

Holistic Recovery from Surgery

(Pre and Post Scar Revision/Surgery Protocol for Indented Scars.)


Disclaimer: The information below is intended as a series of suggested methods that may improve your healing post scar treatments. As we are not medical professionals, we cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of this information. By reading this information, you agree not to hold us liable for any damages that may result in your use of this information. This information should not replace information that your Doctor, Plastic Surgeon or nutritionist provides you. Please keep in mind that this is for general information only and results will vary for each individual.

I’m including this protocol for those of you who are having invasive scar revision treatments, whether at the doctor’s office or self administered. This includes revision methods such as dermabrasion, laser resurfacing, skin needling/tattooing, TCA CROSS, deep Chemical peels, subcision etc.

Regardless of the advances in Scar revision techniques, all forms of invasive techniques are stressful. The body’s healing response is still painful as it is to any injury. Both research and common sense tells me to eat an optimal diet and take extra nutrients that support me to heal faster and better. Adding supplements like Zinc and Vitamin C, known to speed wound healing and recovery is a smart step.

Most doctors provide little or no information on how diet choices and supportive therapies can jumpstart healing, although it is a crucial step to receiving the best possible result. A speedy recovery calls for more concentrated nutrients that a normal diet provides.

Have you considered why some people heal better than others? A scar revision method can only be as successful as your body’s ability to heal well and build the collagen necessary for your scars to rise.

Take a read through my recommendations and see which supplements may be a useful aid to your recovery. (Recovery from dermabrasion will need more support than a TCA peel for instance).

Many of the supplements listed can be included into your daily life (smaller doses will be needed), since most are supportive to rebuilding skin generally and are effective with or without surgery.

Start 2 weeks before surgery and continue for 2 weeks after surgery
To build your body’s natural defences before surgery:

Vit C – 3-5,000mg split into 2 doses (promotes healing, collagen growth and free radical scavenger)
Zinc – 60-70mg split into 2 doses - needs to be taken with oil/fat for absorption (Promotes wound healing and anti-oxidant)
B Complex 100mg and 500mg Pantothenic acid (B5) for adrenal strength/stress from surgery
Cod liver oil – 1-2 teaspoons – For Vit A and D and EFS (great skin healer and reduces inflammation)
Essential fatty acids - flax, salmon, evening primrose, borage oils – one or a combination is better. . (Promotes healing)
Calcium/Magnesium – 1000mg Calcium, 400mg Magnesium – Take these just before bed (Tissue repair). Don’t take at the same time as zinc, since they compete.
Multi Vitamin/Mineral – Take 1 a day with main meal to cover all missing elements from above.

Start 1 week before surgery and continue for 2 weeks after surgery

Bromelain 1,500mg split into 3 doses (curbs inflammation, reduces swelling, decreases bruising and pain)
Arnica Montana 180cc, split into 3 doses (reduces bruising and swelling)
MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane) 1-2,000mg split into 2 doses (has a good effect on growing hair, nails and skin; improves skin elasticity and thickness; reduces inflammation)
Gotu Kola capsules or tincture – 3 times a day (nerve tissue repair and promotes collagen synthesis)
C0Q-10 180mg, split into 2-3 doses with meals (strengthens ability to heal, free radical destroyers)

What NOT to do:

If you eat garlic, stop 3 days before surgery as it thins the blood and may increase bleeding. Also avoid aspirin, as it’s another blood thinner. Check labels on any other vitamin/herbal you take as well, and avoid any that have blood thinning properties.

Stop any synthetic Vit E supplements 4 weeks prior to curb post operative bleeding (Natural Vit E in foods like avocados is fine)

Diet/Lifestyle 2 weeks before and after:

Eat extra protein – you must have protein to heal. Quality sources of protein can be found in raw eggs, chicken, turkey, liver, oily fish like salmon and mackerel etc. Vegetarian protein includes tofu, grains mixed with beans, almonds etc. Always eat organic!
For Vit K (needed for efficient blood clotting) eat green leafy vegetables, blackstrap molasses, alfalfa sprouts, sea greens.
Probiotics – Either take a probiotic supplement or supplement your diet with ‘live’ yoghurt, fermented vegetables, Kombucha tea, kefir etc. as this is one of the best ways to synthesise Vitamin K
Fruit and Vegetables –Include at least 5 portions. Make a large salad with olive/flax oil dressing and/or make fresh pressed juices daily. Add super green foods that are rich in chlorophyll - get it from spirulina, wheat grass, barley grass, sprouted seeds, seaweed, chlorella etc. or you can buy a supplement that contains ‘superfoods’ as they strengthen your ability to heal. Eat avocados for skin elasticity. Eat pineapples and papaya as they contain enzymes useful in the break down of old scar tissue.
Whole grains – Brown rice, quinoa, millet etc.
Sleep early – Ideally before 10PM, 11PM at the latest.
Water - Drink a minimum of 8 glasses of pure, mineral or filtered water
Sea Salt – Add Celtic sea salt, or ideally Himalayan sea salt to your diet, they contain all the minerals your body needs.


The best all-round supplier I've found for most of the above supplements is www.iherb.com. Their prices are low and service is excellent, with extremely fast and reasonably priced shipping.

BEFORE EMBARKING ON A SUPPLEMENTATION REGIME, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO CONSULT WITH A QUALIFIED DOCTOR OR NUTRITIONIST.
These links may also be of interest:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/-t31390.html
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/PLEASE-READ-t38647.html


I will hopefully be updating this thread with the best topical products to speed healing when I get the chance.

Frequently Asked Questions - Scar Treatments

Disclaimer: The information below is provided as a courtesy to address general questions. As we are not medical professionals, we cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of this information. By reading this information, you agree not to hold us liable for any damages that may result in your use of this information. This information should not replace information that your Doctor or Plastic Surgeon provides you. Please keep in mind that this is for general information only and results will vary for each individual.

Q: How can I prevent my acne from scarring?
A: The best way to prevent scarring is to prevent the acne that causes it. For moderate to light acne, see http://www.acne.org/regimen.html

For severe acne, please see your Dermatologist for recommendations, as different treatments are required for different situations.

Q: What is the Lemon & Vinegar Method?
A: This is a method that may improve the appearance of shallow, rolling scars. Drink either Robinson, Lemon Barley Water or plain water with half a teaspoon of lemon juice to a full glass of water throughout the day. It is best to use fresh lemons if possible. Use any diluted vinegar (organic apple cider if possible, malt or white are also acceptable) in warm water to splash onto the face day and night. You may have to experiment to find the right combination of water to vinegar. Try diluting it 1 part vinegar to 4 parts water to start with. First wash your face with your normal cleanser, and then apply the vinegar (dab the solution on with cotton balls and leave on) before other topicals/moisturizers (apply topicals 20 minutes later). You should see an improvement within a week or two.
For more information, read this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Free-ish-Scar-Treatment-t4885.html

Q: Can you describe the different types of scarring? scar types:
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/acne_scars.jpg

·Icepick: Looks like an ice pick has been pressed into the skin. It is generally small in diameter, but can be shallow or deep.
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/athrophic_scars.gif

·Boxcar: Looks somewhat like a chicken pox scar with more rounded edges. It can be small or large in diameter and is fairly deep, though not usually as deep as icepick scars.
http://chrisg.serveftp.com/Scripts/Web%20P...boxcar_scar.jpg

·Rolling: Looks like a smooth indentation in the skin. These scars can be deep or shallow, but are generally shallower.
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/atrophic_scars2.gif

·Macules: These are most common on the back, chest and arms. They are small areas of hairless scar tissue that will initially be red but will usually fade to pale ivory within 1-2 years. They can be raised (hypertrophic) or indented (atrophic).
http://www.acneguide.ca/images/content/hypertropic_scars.gif

For further information on scar types see: http://www.acneguide.com/tf/content.asp?z=78

There are two basic types of Raised scar types:
* Hypertrophic scars - are scars that are raised above the skin surface but remain within the boundaries of the original injury.

* Keloid scars - which are raised scars that extends BEYOND the boundaries of the original sore, blemish or injury. It is scar tissue gone wild. It can continue to grow. Some people are genetically prone to keloid scarring. There is a specialist forum for keloid scars: http://www.keloid-scars.com/index.htm

Q: What is Skin Needling (aka needle dermabrasion, aka dry tattooing or tattooing without pigment)?
A: This is a technique whereby a Dr. or Tattoo artist uses either a hand tool or a tattoo machine to “needle or “tattoo the skin without using pigment (water can be used in place of ink). This is said to "break up" the scar tissue thereby smoothing the appearance of the skin.
NOTE: It is possible to “needle yourself, but there are risks associated with this. Also, results are generally not as pleasing. It is best to see a specialist whenever possible.
For more information, read this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...amp;hl=needling

Q: Is Elicina effective in reducing the appearance of scars?
A: There are varying reports on this but it appears that a majority of users who have tried it have said “no. In general, topical solutions are not sufficient to affect moderate to deep acne scarring.

Q: Can I get rid of my scarring through the use of topical solutions alone?
A: As mentioned, most people with moderate scarring do not find that topical solutions have a significant effect on their scarring. However, they can help lessen scars if used in the healing stage. Please read this thread for more information:
https://secure.lf.com/drug/ce/spring_2001/c...cars_lesson.htm

Q: What is the difference between ablative and non-ablative lasers?
Definition of ablate from dictionary.com: "To remove by erosion, melting, evaporation, or vaporization."
Ablative lasers are much more invasive than non-ablative lasers. Ablative lasers are not recommended for use on darker skin colors.
Examples of ablative lasers:
- CO2
- Erbium: Yag
Non ablative lasers do not remove layers of skin, but instead penetrate through the skin in an attempt to stimulate collagen growth from underneath the surface of the skin. Non-ablative lasers are detailed later in this document.

Q: Will ablative lasers (CO2 or Erbium) reduce the appearance of my scarring?
A: It is possible that it will reduce the appearance of your scarring but it can come with a hefty price tag, a signficant amount of downtime and a risk of new scarring.

Q: What are the different types of non-ablative lasers and how can they reduce scarring?
A: There are several different types of non-ablative lasers. There is some controversy as to whether or not the appearance of scarring can be greatly reduced by the use of them. It is best for you to speak to your Dr. and to research the various laser treatments available to you. Here are examples and links to information about them:

SmoothBeam: http://www.candelalaser.com/Smoothbeam2/sb_photo_acne.asp
thread on acne.org: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Smoothbeam-Treatments-t8140.html

PLEASE READ THIS THREAD FOR MORE INFORMATION ON SMOOTHBEAM ON DIFFERENT SKIN TYPES: - http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Blistering-Smoothbeam-t17315.html

N-Lite: http://www.facialplasticsurgery.net/nlite.htmhttp://www.wrinklereduction.com[/url] thread on acne.org: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...3

CoolTouch II: http://www.cooltouch.com/products.html

IPL: http://www.intensepulselight.com/equipment.html

Q: Will dermabrasion reduce the appearance of my scarring?
A: It is possible that it will reduce the appearance of your scarring but it may come with a hefty price tag, a significant amount of downtime and a risk of new scarring. We suggest that research should be done before proceeding with such an invasive procedure. In addition, this is generally not a good option for darker skin tones.
See these thread for more information: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...hl=dermabrasion
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Dermabrasion-Anyone-t18697.html

Q: What is subcision? Will it improve my scars?
A: Subcision is a method whereby a Dr. uses a "Nokor" needle to break up the scar tissue underneath the surface of the skin. It is said to be best for “rolling scars that are “bound down. Bound down scar tissue looks smoother when the skin adjacent to the scar is pulled tight. Some peoples’ scarring has improved by this method, others have had minimal or no improvement, and others have had their scarring deepen (though this seems to be more rare). Please see your Dermatologist for further information on this procedure.
For more information, check the following thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...wtopic=3132

Q: Is there anything I can do to optimise my healing responses following invasive scar procedures?
A: Yes. Through a healthy diet and safe supplementation, you can improve your body's wound healing response effectively. Please read the following thread for more information:http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...t=0#entry778539
The following site may also be of some interest: http://www.beautysurg.com/learn/general_healing.html

Q: What is the "Dermaroller". Can it improve scarring?
A: The Dermaroller is an instrument that has tiny needles embedded in it that is rolled across the surface of the skin. It is mainly used for better absorption of topical treatments and does not appear to actually break up scar tissue. For more information, read this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...ard/forums.html...

Q: Can "Copper Peptides" improve scarring?
A: Copper Peptides may be able to improve the appearance of scarring by stimulating collagen production after a more ablative procedure such as needling. Copper Peptides are a topical treatment and therefore results will vary for each individual.
See this thread for more info:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...ard/forums.html...

Q: How can I get rid of my red marks / hyperpigmentation / brown marks / dark marks?
A: There are several different approaches to help this process. You may have to experiment to find which works best for you. The effectiveness of these treatments varies and they may have to be used in conjunction with other treatments for best results:
Prescription approach:
* Generally recommended: A Retinoid (i.e. Retin-A) & Hydroquinone*
Non-prescription approaches:
The tape method of exfoliation
The vinegar method of exfoliation
Apply an Alpha Hydroxy Acid peel (i.e. Lactic Acid, Glycolic Acid, TCA, etc.)
Apply a Beta-Hydroxy Acid solution
Vita-K for Blotchy Skin
Mandelic Acid Serum

All about lasers:
http://internationalrosaceafoundation.org/laser.html

Chemical Peels explained: http://www.lasernews.net/lasernews/laserne...8A?OpenDocument
http://www.plasticsurgery.org/public_educa...hemicalPeel.cfm

Q: Will Microdermabrasion reduce the appearance of scarring?
A: It is generally thought that Microdermabrasion cannot penetrate the skin deeply enough to affect the appearance of moderate to deep scarring. It is a great method of exfoliation, however and it is possible to reduce very shallow scarring by repeating this procedure in a series of several treatments.
For more information, check out this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Microdermabrasion-t191.html

Q: What are injectable fillers and how can they reduce the appearance of scarring?
A: There are many types of injectables used for augmentation. It has been shown that once they are injected into the skin, they can raise the surface of the scar. Unfortunately, most of the injectables widely available are not considered permanent. In addition, some are not available in all countries. Here is a list of some of them to get you started in your research:

Isolagen: http://www.isolagen.com/ thread on acne.org - http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...6
Fat (harvested from your own body) - See your Dr. for further info
Fascian: http://fascian.com/
Restylane: http://www.restylane.com/
Collagen (Zyderm/Zyplast): http://www.inamedaesthetics.com/
Artecoll: http://www.artecoll.com/
Aquamid: http://www.aquamid.info/
AlloDerm: http://www.biohorizons.com/alloderm.htm

Here is a thread on various types of fillers: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...c=19162

Q: What is the TCA CROSS Method?
For more information, read this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/CROSS-treatment-100-T-t5610.html
Here is a link to the TCA cross article in full text on Rapaports website:
TCA Localized Peeling: http://www.cosmeticskin.com/skin-acne4.shtml

Q: What is the difference between TCA CROSS and a TCA peel?
TCA CROSS is a method whereby a Dr. or skilled practitioner uses a high percentage of TCA Acid and spot treats each scar. This procedure is especially beneficial for ice pick scarring. TCA CROSS is something that should be done by a skilled practitioner because the risk of damage to your skin can be great. TCA peels are of a much lower percentage than TCA CROSS. TCA peels are done by Dermatologists and Aestheticians and affect hyperpigmentation and more shallow scarring.

Q: What is Punch Excision & Dermal Grafting?
A: Punch Excision is a procedure whereby a Dr. will use a tool to “punch out the scar and then sew the remaining skin together. Dermal grafting is a procedure whereby a Dr. removes skin from a different part of your body (usually from behind the ear) and places it into the scar. Ice picks are often treated this way.
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...=punch+excision

Q: How can lighting effect the appearance of acne scarring?
A: Lighting can have a tremendous effect on the appearance of acne scarring. For further information, please see this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Lighting-Effect-Acne-S-t24474.html

Q: My scars are raised, not indented. What type of scarring is this and how can it be treated?
A: This is called hypertrophic (aka keloid) scarring and can be treated with silicone sheets (OTC) or cortisone injections (provided by Dermatologist). http://www.cicacare.com/

Q: Is it okay for me to treat my scars while I am on Accutane?
A: No, it is suggested that you wait at least 6 months to a year to treat your scars after taking Accutane. Some individuals have reported that they seem to scar more easily while taking Accutane.

Q: What is the tape method of exfoliation?
A: This is a method whereby a piece of scotch/gift tape is applied to the surface of the skin and then gently removed. Once the tape is removed there may be pieces of dead skin that remain on the tape. Take care in using harsh topicals when this method is employed, as they will most likely irritate the skin moreso than if tape were not used.
For more information, check out this thread: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Tape-Method-Peeling-Ch-t1320.html

Q: What is exoderm and will it help with my scarring?
A: [Edit: Many recent exoderm patients have complained about lack of effectiveness of this treatment with the side effects of more scarring and larger pores] Exoderm is arguably the most extreme form of scar treatment that you can undergo, and consequently, some people that have undergone the procedure have reported tremendous improvement in their scarring, as much as 90%. Other's have said it did not do anything even for their shallow scarring. However, the procedure is extremely intense. Here is a description:

You may be left with dramatic improvements in your scarring, but you will have to be dilligent with application of sun-block following the procedure as your skin may have lost its ability to tan.
Please look into this procedure very carefully if you are thinking of having it done.
Here is a link to the exoderm website: http://www.exoderm.co.il/about_us/default.html
and here are links to interesting threads detailing posters' experiences with the procedure:
http://www.absoluteacneinfo.com/acne-forum...ghlight=exoderm
http://asgic.proboards26.com/index.cgi?boa...;num=1083795258

Q: I have scarring on my body. Can I treat this in the same way as one would treat facial scarring or are there different procedures?
A: Body scarring is typically more difficult to treat than facial scarring, as less research has been carried out into this area. The following thread details some of the procedures and information that may be helpful:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Information-Body-Scarrin-t36327.html

List of helpful acne scar webpages:
http://www.tamaramadden.com/Acne_Scar_Websites.htm

Before posting a new thread, please go to the top of this page and try doing a search for the information you need. It's quite possible that the information you want is already on this board. Alternatively, follow the link below and it will take you right to the search facility.

This is the search link: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...=Search Type in a key word for what you are looking for and it will bring up all the threads here that topic was discussed.

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THE SCAR FORUM SEARCH TOOL
( AND HOW TO USE IT EFFECTIVELY )


Hi Everyone,

Sorry if this may seem patronising to some of you, but I feel it is necessary to reinforce the importance of the search tool.

In the scar forum, due to the vast amount of posts and the wide range of treatments and products we are discussing, it is more important than in other forums to make good use of the Search tool. This is how a lot of the experienced members here have built up knowledge about procedures they have not had done themselves.

Before posting a question, please use the search tool to see if it has already been covered. In most cases, it will have been.

Also, please try and add your questions to the end of long threads about the procedure/product it is relevant to. This helps to keep all information in one source and prevents cluttering up the board.


MAXIMISING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SEARCH TOOL

Here are some easy steps for getting the most out of the search tool.

1. After you click on 'search,' (in the top right hand corner of the toolbar) click on MORE OPTIONS at the bottom. This will bring you to a new page. Alternatively, follow this link: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...rch

2. On this new screen, type in your key word or phrase. For instance, needling

3. Under the refine search headings, drop the tabs so that they read search posts from any date and sort results by number of replies

4. Click to Search titles only and show results by topic

5. Finally, make sure the scar treatments forum is highlighted under the 'search where' tab.

6. Click 'perform the search'.
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All this will ensure that you are taken straight to the list of the absolutely most relevant topics - you will only be looking at threads that are specifically about needling (having it in the title), and you will be looking at the most informative threads we have produced on the board - the ones with the most pages.

While it may seem daunting, it is definitely worth reading through all the pages of threads regarding procedures you think you would like to pursue.

If your search brings up no results, (which is unlikely) - try broadening the search, ie: by looking in 'entire post' rather than titles only.


Hope this is helpful, and have fun searching!

Paul and the scar forum moderating team.

I REALLY need to know.
I eat right, no sugar or bad carbs lots of fruits veggies etc.
I take lots of supplements.
I dont pick.
My acne is sooo minimal, just small whiteheads and blackheads.


Why am I so scar prone?
What can I do to prevent scarring so that I can try more invasive methods to remove existing scars?

Help!

hi there every1, if someone could help me i would be gratefull,

i used to get loads an loads of spots when i was a teenager, then they suddenly stopped and i had loads of acne under my skin, eg, loads of red dots everywhere, . i know only get spots when i shave but i keep getting loads of open pores which then turn into scars, why do i keep getting them, if iam scared of using exfoilater incase it makes them worse, have i got active acne or just enlarged pores

Before and after pictures:

http://dend359.tripod.com/leftface.html
http://dend359.tripod.com/leftsidecloser.html
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Today I know a lot more about this product than I did weeks ago and because of this, I want to write a even clearer direction than I gave out in my PMs and FAQ that I have received from many people who wonder about this product.

First off, what is the difference between a dermaroller and this kit? Inside this kit, I guess you can call it a "dermastamp" and the difference between those two is one, you "roll" with the dermaroller and you "stamp" with the dermastamp. Now you may ask what else is different, well to be honest, that is really the only difference as far as the procedures go (I will explain that below).

For those with the Divine Beauty kit (aka dermastamp) you don't just go ahead, start applying the numbing cream and start stamping, you have to do something else before getting to the real thing! First thing is to apply the area to be treated with the Cleanser that comes with the kit and rinse after. Then proceed to applying the KickStart, then you lightly stamp the area you applied it with the 1.0mm face disc so the cream can get below the skin. When finished, wait 30-45 minutes. After the long wait, the direction that comes with it tell you to wipe it off, but you are not suppose to! I repeat, you do not wipe the KickStart anesthetic! Proceed to put on the Maintain on the area you are about to work on and this time you use the 1.5 mm (the larger disc). As you are stamping, you may wonder why you aren't bleeding like you were when you used that 1.0mm and after all, this is .5mm longer ! This is the beauty of the kit (hence the name ), the Maintain that you put on not only further numb your face, but it is a blood constrictor so during your procedure, there should be little to no bleeding! When you are done stamping the area, proceed to the next that you would like to work on and remember to apply maintain first before stamping!

Now you are done stamping..... With phrase 1. yes, it is not finished yet my friend, now on to phrase 2! What is that you ask? Simple, it is the same as phrase 1! One thing though, you do not apply the KickStart again! However, you should again apply the Maintain to the areas you are again stamping over. Blah blah blah.. once you have finished phrase 2, it's time for phrase 3! Again, apply Maintain to the area, stamp stamp stamp, and before you know it, you are done! Well not quite.. . When finished, apply the cleanse once again on the treated areas then give yourself a good rinse and pat your face dry. Then apply a thin layer of the A&C serum. Remember to cleanse and put on the A&C serum day and nigh daily guys, it is really good stuff. oh, and you are now done with the treatment

Important notes

You are supposed to stamp the right and left side at least 40+ times (40+ stamps on each side of the face) during each phrases but if you ask me, I sometimes do 45-60 stamps to make sure I really did work the skin.

Want to stamp over your forehead, temples, or jaw bones? Do not use the 1.5 mm needle disc! I repeat, do not use the 1.5 mm as it is too long for those skin levels! Instead, use the 1.0mm.

This one was a great question asked, are you supposed to stamp the same scar 10 times? The answer is no, you will do the opposite you're trying to achieve and tear up your skin instead! The most I would stamp on the same scar is 2 or 3 during each phrases.

Remember to stretch your skin!! This one was also a great question, the person asked if this kit will raise his deeper acne scar up and the answer is yes! In fact, during your procedure, remember to stretch your skin with your other hand to penetrate the dermis effectively!

You cannot apply any other products, sweat, or go outside and see the sun after treatment! Wait for 48 hours before working out or applying any other products but wait at least a week before getting in contact with the sun! I would still be careful even after a week but if you must, remember to apply sun block.

The needle disc can be used up to 6 treatments.

The downtime before you can do another treatment is 6 to 8 weeks! Your face will thank you for this

I think I have covered everything.. correct me if I'm wrong. Now on to the FAQ:

How long till I will see improvements?
To be honest, you may not see much during your first or second week but on your third, you should notice something.

Why did you choose this over dermaroller?
I was looking at the laser treatment and Divine Beauty ECIT happened to have be on one side of the video and it caught my attention with the title and after seeing the videos and seeing the before and after pictures, it looked too good to be true so I gave it a try. Did I mention, it is 75% less expensive than laser and almost has the same effect? The pros also outweigh more than the dermarollers so that was also an impact to my decision.

Where is the 2.0mm?
You really don't need it as it is too long for the face! Why use it when 1.5 mm needles puncture the dermis just fine? If you must use it, Divine Beauty has them, just be warned that you have been told

How do I stop the nervousness?
I have to be honest, I was still nervous on my second treatment but once you get that first stamp down, you will find it a lot easier than you thought. As the saying goes, you fear more than what it really is.

The kit is so expensive! Why is this?
I agree with you too but to be honest, anything that improves my skin, I'm willing to pay the price for it. After all, you get what you pay for.

Pros and Cons between Dermaroller and Divine Beauty RejuvaStamp ECIT (aka dermastamp)

Dermaroller
Pros:
Affordable
Many users on here to help
Same concept as Divine Beauty only cheaper
Cons:
Needles may bend
Doesn't guarantee results
Have to buy 6 different things


Dermastamp
Pros:
Guarantee results (steps must be done as according)
Disc small enough for you to stretch skin with other hand, allowing better penetration
Clean treatment with little to no blood
Needles won't bend
Everything is there for you to start
Cons:
Expensive
Not many users to help (perhaps one day )

I hope this answers a lot of your questions, I will also put this on the front page of the blog for newcomers to read and make it a lot easier to relocate in case you want to refer to this in the future.

Remember, to get yourself locked into the 100% money back if you don't see improvements guaranteed within 6 months, send your pictures at sales@rejuvastamp.com before buying the kit and mail them the pictures again after you worked the areas if they approve of your scars.

To read more about them, here is the website
http://rejuvastamp.com/about.html

Thanks for reading and best of lucks to those who try out this kit, I really believe it will work for you if it worked for me

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone has used onions for their scars??

I heard it's like a scar eraser, but I'm scared to try it because I still have quite a few active bumps

I got chicken pox before 5 years. It left my body with dark scars. All scars are very dark and sometimes i will get some acne in my body.

I am fighting with acne for more than 5 years in my face and now maximum of my acne are reduced. The only problem which i have is chicken pox scars.

I searched internet and found that it is not possible to reduce the chicken pox scars. But now a days there are lots of products are available,,,,

so can u please help me to find a best product to cure chicken pox scars,,,,, do you peoples have experience with chicken pox scars,,,,,

I have just returned for my 3rd Fraxel Repair, and I am still a bit shakey. I acutually experienced more pain with this procedure, but so far I have had less bleeding and oozing. My prodecdure was again done at 70 mj -60 % .

Hi, I'm not sure where to post this but I'm stuck with this question for some time now.
Accutane cured my acne however it left some scars on my face.
These scars are pretty noticable so my dermatologist decided to start laser treatment somewhere in november/december.

However, I still want to go out with friends while looking good till the treatment starts.
I was thinking of using Fake Bake as a selftanner when I go out however my dermatologist doesn't know anything about selftanners and the effects of them on acne(scars).

My question is can I use Fake Bake safely without having to worry about the lasertreatment that is to come? Since you need pale skin for the treatment I'm concerned about using the product.
Can you guys help me out please?

I'm back home after getting my second Total FX treatment for acne scarring on my cheeks. I saw decent results from the first treatment, so I decided to go back to the same doctor for a second treatment. Treatment was about the same, but the doctor seemed kind of in a rush and didn't greet me with the pleasantries I received before.

Now that I am home and able to look in a mirror, I can see holes that look like scars around the edges of the treatment area (I only got it on my cheeks). These scars were NOT there before the treatment and they were NOT there after my previous treatment. Some of them look like ice picks and some of them look like jagged lines in my skin. I'm really worried about this because they weren't there after my other treatment. Will they go away? I'm worried all of my skin could look like this, but I can't tell because I'm red and swollen.

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It is now the morning after my treatment. I slept really badly last night because I had to sleep on my back with my head and shoulders propped up on pillows. Normally I wouldn't be awake for another hour or so, but I just couldn't fall back asleep. I woke up several times during the night too.

I am a little calmer now regarding my concern right after my treatment. My husband said he couldn't see what I was talking about (although he's been trying to avoid me since yesterday, so I don't think he looked that closely ). When I looked in the mirror when I woke up, I couldn't really see them either. But I know I could just be extra swollen from laying down, so I will be keeping tabs on it.

Settings (same as my first):
Deep Fx: 15mj, pulse 1, density 3
Active Fx: 100mj, pulse 1, density 3

Skin is still weeping a lot of fluid. The fluid had hardened overnight, so I gently washed it off this morning, and applied more Aquaphor to the area. The skin is still very red and feels uncomfortable.

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By the end of the first 24 hours, my skin stopped weeping fluid, which I was very happy about because it's really gross and annoying when you feel it dripping down your face. It is 48 hours after the treatment now. My skin is still very red and has a slightly "bumpy" looking texture now. Slightly itchy. Still washing gently 4 or 5 times a day and applying Aquaphor. Parts of skin are starting to appear white, as though frosted over. I assume this is the beginnings of the dead skin starting to peel away. On my last one, most of the skin peeled over the course of the 5th and 6th days and by day 7 it was all new pink skin.

Here is a picture of how my skin looks today.

By the way, is anyone reading this? So lonely...

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Official Day 5 is starting in a couple of hours (that is, exactly 120 hours since the procedure), so I shall write one more update on my healing. I actually did most of my peeling yesterday which is one day earlier than my first Total Fx.

I've been wondering about some possible causes of this. One thing I considered was that I was taking a lot more vitamin C, about 1500mg/day when I was only taking about 500mg before.

Or I thought maybe my skin knows what to do because I've had the same injury before. Well, I kind of doubt that skin has memory like that, so I guess I'll just attribute it to the vitamin C.

It also crossed my mind that the doctor might have lowered the machine settings from the previous time, but she told me they were the same. I don't think she'd have any reason to lie. I hope. And the final factor would be that I used much less Aquaphor to cover the area. I don't know if that would have an effect on the healing or not. I was really globbing it on after my first procedure, but this time I used a thinner layer.

Okay! So I am about 90% peeled now. I accidentally pulled a piece of the skin off while I was applying Aquaphor. I was dabbing it on and the skin stuck to my finger and got pulled off as I took my hand away from my face. I was like, "Agghh!" but then calmed myself. I told myself there was nothing I could do about it now, so it's best not to freak out. XD

Skin is still very red. Texture is...not great looking. I can see scars. I hope they'll heal up!

Recently, I've had a really bad breakout that I cleared eventually with daily Manuka Honey (UMF 16+) masks and cinnamon. However, it left noticeable scars on both of my cheeks.

I've read many online sources suggesting that manuka honey can also be an effective treatment acne scarring. Has anyone had any successful past experiences? Should I continue applying the honey onto my face or go for other treatment options?

Alternative such as lasers are not an option since I'm still 16 with active acne.

Eagerly awaiting replies

I don't really have big scars but my skin has a damaged texture that I don't like What size needle should I get?

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thats my damaged skin. I want to get some vitamin A powder and put it in my topical to reduce my oil. (it is vitamin A right??)

And, i want a derma roller. What size needles do I need tho???

Have rolled twice - 5 weeks apart with 1.5mm roller. First time not really aggressively enough, 2nd time much better.

It is 4 weeks since my 2nd roll and I am 100% sure that I have had improvement in a number of scars, both ice pick and rolling. I am not going to post up too much about this until I have done 4 treatments as I don't want to get people's hopes up without being sure that all is good but I swear to you that it has already worked for me and I am hopeful that by the end of the year I will have gotten rid of a lot of my scars!!

My issue at the moment is that I can still see very sightly the area where I rolled as a very, very slightly different shade - like a very, very, very mild tan. Absolutely no one else can notice it and I only see it when I am literally a few inches from the mirror but has anyone else noticed this or that when they wash they can see the area where they rolled as being a very slight red colour for a few seconds?

My skin isn't irritable at all and in a way it is good I suppose to see that underneath my skin something is still happening - hopefully collagen production!! Like I said it has been 4 weeks sicen my second roll and I will be rolling again in another 2 weeks, I just don't want to give myself some sort of bizarre permanent tan that stops at my eye sockets... lol...

On a final note, chin up people as I have definitely had very good results and I am not bullshitting or imagining it - just be careful as rolling is a serious procedure and shouldn't be treated as some minor ritual!

Good luck!

I have had a 2.mm professional rolling treatment, results were a huge infection/breakout. Anyway, I have a 1.5mm I got online, and have used it just now.

I really want to know WHY people need a numbing cream? Maybe I have no nerves left in my face? Ive had alot of procedures...

Does it REALLY hurt, or is it in the mind? I just did a light roll and it didnt hurt at all, it stings a bit, but thats all.

I honestly dont think the sensation is PAINFUL. It feels like exactly what it is. Im saving money dont need numbing creams!

Just wondering am I a freak?? I really DO think ive had damage to the nerves, when I had Co2 full face.

Im intrigued... these photos look very promising.... but i don't know if anybody in my area offers this yet....



http://www.syneron.com/sites/syneron.com/f...x_ABG_09_10.pdf

I have scars on my face, not from acne, but from cuts. They have been red for about 6 months now. Whenever I lift weights, they turn bloodshot red, and then they clear up to their light red to darkish color a little while afterward. I know that aerobic exercise helps to heal scars by helping blood flow throughout your body, but what does lifting weights do? Does it help or hurt in the long run? My scars are still healing.

I have had a strange year this year with regards to my skin. On one hand I started using the dermaroller and have been really pleased with the results on my scarring. On the other though, my pores have become huge this year.

It started before the rolling and my dad has large pores so part of it at least is genetic. The thing is though that my skin has gone from looking quite young and fresh (aisde from scarring) to looking what I consider to be quite old and haggered in no time.

In the space of about 6 months my pores have just opened up and it is leaving me feeling pretty down. is this how it normally happens? Your pores just seem to suddenly go at one point? I look after my skin, stay out of the sun and in general my skin is in good nick in that I have very few wrinkles and no dry skin etc...

It just feels like as soon as I have started to win the battle over my scars my pores have decided to kick in and knock me down again.

I figured my pores would begin to really worsen in my late thirties not in my early thirties

Is it normal for pores to transform in such a short space of time?

First and foremost, I am not going to go into academic detail about the use of progenitor cells, particularly autologous adipose derived mesenchymal stem cells, for the treatment of various skin conditions including the repair of hypotrophic (depressed) acne scars. I realize most people here will not be interested in me blabbing on and on about this and that hypothesis while citing various academic articles. I am simply going to say that I am preparing to conduct an experiment with these cells as I believe they are far more capable of flattening and beautifying skin in comparison to anything else that is currently used by the conformist medical establishment.

Anyway, both anecdotal and peer reviewed evidence exists to suggest that mesenchymal stem cells can be used effectively to radically alter the appearance of one's "damaged" skin. The anecdotal evidence largely comes from people who have had successful autologous fat transfers. If the procedure is done right, a large number of adipocytes and resident stem cells can survive the transfer only to integrate themselves into the site of injection. When this happens, the patient often observes a very positive and noticeable difference in their skin within a few weeks/months time.

However, there are not that many mesenchymal stem cells in fat. So, some researchers have proposed a more advanced fat transfer technique, wherein the mesenchymal stem cells are separated from the fat cells, then cultured/multiplied for a few days/weeks, and then either (A) recombined with the fat cells and injected into facial tissue deficits, or (B) injected without recombination with fat cells.

Either way, by culturing the said stem cells for a short period of time, one can increase their numbers exponentially. It really isn't very hard to increase the number of stem cells found in 10cc of fat tissue 1000 fold. For example, a thousand cells can be turned into a million cells with the right culturing solution, incubation temperature and time management. Think of what a 1000X viable cell mass can do for the skin in comparison to what has already been achieved with the traditional fat transfer procedure...

OK, to make a long story short I want to try this procedure in 2009. Currently I am in the process of adding new equipment to my lab. Once that's done and I am brave enough to try some of my ideas I will go for it.

That said, I am most certainly not the first person to be doing this. There are many clinics in Eastern Europe and East Asia that are already offering this service. I don't know much about their quality control processes nor have I seen their results firsthand. However, a colleague recently sent me some before/after pictures of a doctor in Asia who is apparently trying the above described type (A) procedure. Again, what this means is that stem cells are extracted from fat tissue, then cultured, and finally recombined with the fat tissue a few days later into what is essentially an enhanced autologous cellular mixture which can regenerate tissue deficits present at the site of acne scars... This doctor is experimenting with stem cells for anything from scar revision to breast enlargement.

Anyway, here are the photos that I received:

Acne Scars:

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http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7953/st...cnescar1er8.jpg

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Wrinkles:

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The results look quite good and as far as I know are the product of a single treatment session.

In retrospect, the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes is quite new. On the other hand, the extensive academic peer reviewed animal model studies and these preliminary results as seen in the above photos are all quite stimulating and exciting. The problem is that I don't know of a single colleague in North America or Western Europe who performs this type of procedure. It may be because of the bureaucratic regulations set in place within these countries (sometimes an extension of religious perspectives), or simply because of traditionalist medical inertia, which I'm sorry to say is very prevalent in many of the wealthy and "advanced" countries.

To illustrate my point, I recently spoke to a plastic surgeon in Canada about this very issue. I asked if he had considered the use of stem cells to treat acne scars. He replied, "it's coming!"

I was amused so I asked him to elaborate. He then said that the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes will likely be available in 10 or so years. I was trying my best to be diplomatic when I explained to him that this exact procedure was already being performed in Japan, Russia, Korea, Taiwan, China, etc... Needless to say he was surprised by what I had to say. It was obvious to me that although he was being polite, he was also extremely sceptical that a young Bulgarian doctor may know something he doesn't... Finally after some ensuing discussions, he told me that he felt the use of synthetic dermal fillers was "good enough" and that the results he had achieved with these substances were very positive. In essence, he was being defensive and thus tried to redeem his lack of an innovative spirit with what I call B.S.!!! On the other hand, I'm pretty sure he is now more open to learning about autologous mesenchymal injections. Let's just abbreviate this procedure as AMI from now on.

Now I want to get to the point! If you live in a city and/or country where AMI is not available, then be the one to tell the medical community about it. Be the one to tell your local dermatologist and/or plastic surgeon that the use of stem cells for cosmetic purposes is not science fiction, but rather science reality. Tell them that you are not talking about the use of embryonic stem cells, but rather about autologous adult stem cells. If need be I will give you information about how this procedure is performed since your doctor will likely not have a clue. I am here to help, and the point I am making is that you can also help yourself. Spread the information and get your local docs to start thinking about what's best for YOU the patient. Needless to say, the first doctors to start performing this procedure in your respective countries/cities will have an immense competitive advantage.

And you may just get to have the skin you've always wanted.

Best wishes and start spreading the message of change,

BRD

Im unsure if many people here have heard of this product but seems to be quite promising, and not like another 20 years away either. The crux of it seems to be that after an operation, (not specifically acne scar revision) but similar, the companies lead product juvista is injected into the wound margins and scarring is significantly reduced. They appear to have other products as well in the pipeline for internal scarring also. If u were going to have an excision or similar this seems the way to go. Anyways definately worth checking out!!!

http://www.renovo.com/content.asp?c_id=9



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Thanks to seabs135 for summarising the thread thus far in the above pdf.

Hey guys. I am going to be a lab rat here and get myself the Sublative Rejuvenation treatment.

You can find out more here.
http://www.matrixskin.com/

I'll do 3 treatment (whole face) with a complimentary re-firm treatment. for $2500. Quite pricey. But I've heard that it works better than Fraxel.

Thank god they have financing options.

I'll give you updates once I have them. The first treatment is gonna be in late November, and I gotta prepare my skin with hydroquinone serum. (another 100 bucks)

I'll let you know. Hopefully, this is gonna be money well spent.

6 months ago I went to a highly recommended doctor in Grand Rapids, MI and they suggested that i get the DeepFX and ActiveFX Treatments. I was very red, crusty and scabby for 3-4 days and everything was looking GREAT until the swelling went down... then it was back to normal. I was told to wait 3 months to see some results but i seen nothing. The TotalFX costed me about $1200

Last month i went back for a checkup and they recommended that i try fraxel. They offered 2 treatments for FREE and if i wanted additional treatments it would only be $200 each time. Ive had 2 treatments already and the down time is VERY minimal. I just had my second treatment on friday (3 days ago) and my skin was a little rough like sand paper but now its slowly peeling when i wash or put lotion on. It never looked any worse than a sunburn. I was actually at work and running around town the next day.. i wasnt embarrassed to go out in public.. i thought it looked pretty nice compared to what some people have said about Fraxel.

The first treatment was 35mj and the second was 40 or 45mj.

I guess what im getting at is... i dont see ANY improvements in any of these treatments. The doctor just recommends that i use cetaphil and aquafor for cleaning and moisturizing. I mentioned vitamins or some copper peptides and she said none of that is really necessary.

Can someone please explain to me what i should do? What topicals/vitamins should i be using? Does that really help? How many fraxel treatments do you need to see good results? Do you know where i can find some nice before/after pictures? Alot of the ones on google dont look real or you dont know exactly how many treatments they have already had.

Im just looking for some help... im confused. Thanks

You may have heard about these girls earlier this year. They suffered serious burn scars on their face from a house fire that they survived as toddlers. They appeared on the Today Show as part of a series where they are following their progress with a new laser being used to treat their burn scars. Here's the article detailing their status and success with the treatment.




New treatment improving burned triplets’ scars
After months of innovative laser technique, more confidence and mobility

By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 9:08 a.m. ET, Fri., Nov . 6, 2009

The three young women glowed like the fashion models they could be, walking advertisements for a new treatment for burn victims that is being hailed as a medical miracle.

Identical triplets Trae, Jordan and Chandra Berns, 22, had first visited TODAY’s New York studios last May to talk about the pioneering laser treatment that had begun to erase scars that they had carried for 20 years. Friday, they came back to show the remarkable healing they’ve experienced since undergoing several more treatments.

“Over the past few months, it’s pretty much a gradual improvement,” Chandra told TODAY’s Matt Lauer. “Our skin has gotten smoother. Our scars have gotten a lot smoother.”

Jordan, who had lived with limited mobility in her left arm because of scar tissue around her elbow, said, “It’s helped a lot.”

As the scars that covered up to 30 percent of their bodies have been lasered away, Trae said the sisters no longer self-consciously cover their damaged skin.

“We gained a lot more self-confidence than we had before,” Trae said.

Scarred by tragedy
The Berns triplets were just 17 months old when they were trapped in a fire in their Texas home that killed their mother. The little girls spent a long time in the hospital before being released to an extensive series of painful surgeries and skin grafts.

Despite their burns and the compressing bandages they had to wear, their childhood was remarkably normal

“When we were growing up, we didn’t notice that we had burns. We were regular children. We went out. The people that we grew up with, all the children, they pretty much knew what happened, and everybody pretty much accepted it,” Chandra told Lauer in May.

It was only when they got to high school and met new people that they were made acutely aware of their disfigurement by other children who pointed at them and called them vicious names.By the time they all went off to college, they thought they would have to live with their scars forever.

A new approach
Then the sisters heard about a pioneering laser treatment being used by Dr. Jill Waibel, a cosmetic surgeon in Palm Beach, Fla. The three drove from their Texas home to Florida to see if Waibel could help them. When Waibel met the three young women, she and Lumenis, the manufacturer of the laser, agreed to treat them free of charge.

After undergoing two rounds of treatments, the sisters showed off the results on TODAY. After two more rounds, they came back Friday with Waibel and NBC’s chief medical editor, Dr. Nancy Snyderman, to show off faces that now show virtually no visible signs of scarring.

Waibel said she’s treated hundreds of burn victims in addition to the Berns sisters. “These are typical results,” she said. “For burn patients, there’s great improvement, and we’re still studying it and learning more.”

“This is going to change the way we treat all kinds of things,” Snyderman predicted, from acne scars to wrinkles to ordinary scars and burns. “These guys are proof of the fact that this works.”

The triplets said that the treatment stings, but not badly. After two weeks, the skin peels like a sunburn. Over the course of months, new tissue grows, smoothing contours and evening colors.

The Bernses said they’ve had four treatments and will be having two more. Their skin will never be perfect, but it is dramatically improved.

Cheaper than surgery
The big benefit of the treatment, Waibel said, is that it costs from $500 to a couple of thousand for a single treatment. “A fraction of what surgery costs,” she said, “and better results.”

The treatment, called an ultrapulse fractional ablative laser, consists of two separate lasers. The first shoots tiny beams that penetrate less than a millimeter into the scar tissue, heating it to the boiling point, vaporizing it, and allowing healthy tissue and collagen to fill in the microscopic gaps created by the laser. The second laser flattens and evens out the texture and coloring of the remaining scar tissue.

The lasers were developed to treat serious acne scars, but Waibel has pioneered using them to treat burn victims. She said that doctors are not sure exactly how the lasers work to destroy scar tissue, but there is no arguing with the results.

Until the laser treatment came into use, burn victims had to live with often-serious scarring. In addition to disfiguring the victims, scar tissue could also seriously restrict movement. The laser not only erases much of the scarring, it also returns the elasticity to damaged skin.

Hope for others
Since appearing on TODAY, Waibel has been invited to travel the nation and the world to educate other doctors in use of the laser.

The TODAY appearance also allowed the Berns sisters to start a foundation, Three for Hope, to help other burn victims get the treatments. Helped by donations sent by TODAY viewers, the foundation has already assisted its first patient, the sisters said.

The foundation is headquartered in San Antonio. Its mission statement reads: “To empower and inspire other burn survivors to get past the tragedy in their lives and become the best people they can be. We will be providing reinforcement, hope, education, rehabilitation, treatment, and financial resources and support to survivors and their families.”


Here's a link to the original article with a video of their appearance on the Today show:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33665429/ns/...alth/?GT1=43001

from Clinics in Dermatology 2008 Combating Photoaging with Percutaneous
Collagen Induction
Desmond Fernandez; Massimo Signorini

"If the 1-mm Roll-CIT device is used for microneedling, the
bleeding is microscopic and entirely within the papillary and
upper reticular dermis because the needles only penetrate
about 0.75 mm at most. Because the epidermis is, on average,
0.2 mm, one can be certain that the injury will be limited to the
upper layers of the dermis. This excites a small inflamatory
response, yet the cascade of growth factors still gets initiated
by the release of platlets through the puncturing of small
vessels by microneedling. The possibility exists that
with microneedling, one gets a purer stimulus for collagen
synthesis without the heavy inflammatory reaction because
subdermal fat is certainly not damaged at the same time.
It is believed that because the epidermis is intact, this might
favor predominantly TGF-B3 rather than TGF-B1 and -B2,
which are associated with scar collagen deposition.
Transforming Growth Factor-B3 in implicated in scarless
healing and normal lattice weave collegan deposition."

To me this is saying the shallower 1mm (and hopefully 1.5mm)
actually is advantageous for scarless healing after the injury.

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Hey, so i am just wondering what type of scarring this is? And any treatments that could help reduce it?

This is my cheek with light makeup on, which is somewhat covering the redness.

Thanks!

So.. I have some scars on my cheeks (rolling, boxcar) however when I touch my face with my hands I can't feel any scarring. My face feels perfectly smooth!

Does anyone else have this? It bugs the hell out of me because in some lighting it looks pretty deep.. so I dont know what to believe.

As title ,anyone bought led light from this website before?

http://heelspurs.com/cgi-bin/c/store/commerce.cgi

Thanks ...

2nd question .Sorry but i want to be clear ....lamarr recommend us to buy these right ?

Mega Array with 96 590nm Yellow LEDs
Super Bright 18,000 mcd
$124.95 plus shipping

AND

Dual 660/880 Array
With total 96 LEDS
1/2 red, 1/2 infrared
$124.95 plus shipping (2)

Hmm ,if we buy (2) ,don't need to buy this one

Mega Array with 96 880nm (infrared) LEDs
$119.95 plus shipping

right ? .

Thanks guys