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Jun 12 2006, 09:51 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-October 05 |
Okay, I must be the biggest hypocrite in the world. Really, I must be. At first I thought it was milk, and while my acne did improve a bit it never went away from dairy-free diet.
Then I thought it was candida...again, great improvement but then leveled off at a level I didn't want. Then I thought it was diabetes or pre-diabetes. Again, improvement but never to a level I want. Then gluten...I read through various forums and googled "gluten acne" and found an amazing number of people who lost their acne as soon as they lost their gluten. Of course going gluten-free is very difficult, even candy and soy sauce has gluten (though soy itself does not). Rice milk does, but at .002% (or 200 parts per million) which is considered the maximum threshold for many celiacs. The reason I believe gluten plays a role for me is that I stopped taking all of my candida regimen stuff: the antifungals to probiotics. My eczema never flared up, though probiotics did help calm it down when I stopped probiotics it usually comes back. I stopped my gluten intake for 2 days now...sure, it might be a "placebo effect" and I could be putting my own foot in my mouth. But I did something that I shouldn't do: I drank a 32oz bottle of gatorade in 10 minutes. I took a couple of 4g glucose tablets. Total carb intake in 10 minutes? 88-90g. We're not talking about brown rice and low GI foods here folks, we're talking about major blood sugar spikes. I did this for about 4 times. My pores, which are very sensitive to foods that I eat, did not dilate. I eat 3 slices of wheat bread with 8g net carbs each in 5 minutes...my pores dilate 20 minutes later. I know I know, how can you tell if pores dilate? Believe me, I can...it sounds ridiculous, but no one knows my own skin better than me. Supposedly candida feeds on simple sugar (the glucose-fructose syrup in Gatorade is as "simple" as you can get), and spiking my blood sugar like that is dangerous in the long run, but I mostly did it to rid my "brain fog". It worked for a bit, but not much...I think my intestines might be damaged and I might have not even known it. I suggest people give this a try. Is it hard? Yes...but worth it? If it works, definitely. This isn't to say this can work for everyone...but we'll see.
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Jun 12 2006, 10:21 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-October 05 |
I also want to add something:
Why I believe most people on candida regimens see a clearing of their skin: The main weapon is probiotics. Probiotics help train the immune system, gluten is a known allergen. Why people on anti-diabetic diets (or control or low carb diets) see a clearing of their skin: They eat less carbs, and most likely less wheat. Wheat is a very heavy stable in the American diet, in fact I believe wheat is a bigger staple than milk or meat. You can carry it in your pocket (in the form of candy or crackers) and it is used in meats as bulk agents. I hope this helps...I swear, fighting acne is a never ending battle...but this could be it.
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Jun 12 2006, 10:53 PM
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this is a stupid question but does being allergic to gluten necessarily imply that it will
provoke an acne episode? I mean, i got my blood tested for food allergies and it lists gluten as a tolerant food, as opposed to an intolerant food. so can you be tolerant of gluten and yet still have it cause you to break out? I'm assuming acne is simply more than just an allergic reaction to food? |
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Jun 12 2006, 11:24 PM
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![]() Member Group: Members Joined: 25-February 06 From: Arizona, USA |
I actually tested positive for gluten antibodies in my saliva over a year ago, and so I completely cut all gluten out of my life. I did not see any acne improvement. Recently I had a complete food allergy panel run and it indicated that I do not have an allergic reaction to gluten or any of the glutenous grains. With trepidation, I added oats back into my diet, and then wheat, and have not seen any change in my skin for the better or worse. I honestly don't think that gluten causes acne for me, nor does cutting it out produce amazing changes for me. I have tried cutting out so many foods over the past year with no change in my skin at all that I have all but given up on following any kind of diet except for trying to eat mostly whole organic foods and avoiding the foods my test said I was sensitive to : asparagus, amaranth, bananas, almonds, and dairy. Even cutting these foods out has not produced a change in my skin. Of course, this is just me, but thought I would offer my experience...
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Jun 13 2006, 06:11 AM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 9-June 04 |
I dont know what Im talking about here, but Id guess the "allergic" reaction causing acne doesnt have to do with usual allergies.
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Jun 13 2006, 06:11 AM
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Veteran Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 26-April 06 From: Hong Kong |
QUOTE(tucsonhotmama @ Jun 12 2006, 11:24 PM) [snapback]1171901[/snapback] I actually tested positive for gluten antibodies in my saliva over a year ago, and so I completely cut all gluten out of my life. I did not see any acne improvement. Recently I had a complete food allergy panel run and it indicated that I do not have an allergic reaction to gluten or any of the glutenous grains. With trepidation, I added oats back into my diet, and then wheat, and have not seen any change in my skin for the better or worse. I honestly don't think that gluten causes acne for me, nor does cutting it out produce amazing changes for me. I have tried cutting out so many foods over the past year with no change in my skin at all that I have all but given up on following any kind of diet except for trying to eat mostly whole organic foods and avoiding the foods my test said I was sensitive to : asparagus, amaranth, bananas, almonds, and dairy. Even cutting these foods out has not produced a change in my skin. Of course, this is just me, but thought I would offer my experience... Had a very similar experience - cut out all wheat / diary and numerous other foods that I tested intolerant to and still had bad acne.
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Accutane course (30mg/day) 19/4/06 - 8/11/06 for moderate to severe facial acne Status: All clear. Yeh! Haven't been able to say that for 15 years! Current regimen: Any gentle cleanser / aloe vera + jojoba oil moisturiser / Green Cream |
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Jun 13 2006, 07:19 AM
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New Member Group: Members Joined: 25-October 05 From: VA |
Super Bellybutton - Does your gluten-related acne itch or tingle or burn at all? I know I've posted about this in another thread but - there is a skin condition called Dermatitis Herpetiformis (DH) that goes along with celiac disease. I've struggled with acne for 10 years but ever since I had my daughter (childbirth is a celiac trigger) I've had intestinal celiac symptoms plus a red itchy rash that started on my legs and then went to my face. It seems that the spots on my face itch (unlike normal acne that I've had before) and burn and then eventually become infected like a normal zit. But they take weeks to go away and if I get one tiny speck of gluten accidentally or something that says "gluten-free" but is contaminated, I break out and start itching again. Celiacs with DH are especially sensitive to tiny amounts of gluten.
I've read that if you have DH it will take up to 2 years on a gluten-free diet for the break outs to stop. But then you have to continue on the gluten-free diet forever. I've been gluten-free for almost 3 months with the occasional contamination or accidental ingestion and I still get break outs but each one is less severe and takes less time to clear up. And there is more time in between new spots as it seems to be slowing down and clearing up. I have a friend who is a diagnosed celiac with DH on her face and she still breaks out too after a year on the gluten-free diet. She actually clued me in on the celiac - DH - break out connection because she said she could tell by looking at me that I probably have DH and not normal acne. Oh yeah - if it is DH then iodine will cause flare-ups too (shellfish, dairy, iodized salt). |
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Jun 13 2006, 07:29 AM
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![]() Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 25-August 05 |
tusconhotmama and Jhbk:
my results seem similar to yours..I.E. avoiding sensitive foods doesn't really make a significant difference in the skin. i guess it really on the person. |
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Jun 13 2006, 08:33 AM
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Senior Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 19-October 02 From: The States |
There are 4 or 5 Types of Hypersensitivity Reactions.
NONE of them look for the same immune response in your body, thus...you would have to take EACH of these tests in order to find out which foods, chemicals, microbes, you are hypersensitive to! For example, you can be Gluten Intolerant and NOT allergic to wheat. If someone took a simple allergy test, the test wouldn't say they are allergic to gluten, because they are not....they are intolerant! From what I've read the most common hypersensitivity reactions associated with actual acne (over a dozen types) are: Type IV Cell-Mediated Hypersensitivity Reactions - Also known as Delayed Type Hypersensitivity reactions Type III Immune Complex Hypersensitivity Reactions - Also known as form of an Immediate Type Hypersensitivity reaction and is apart of the Humoral Immune system from which Allergies (Type I, IgE Mediated Reactions) also fall under. Notice I mentioned Delayed and Immediate Reactions...this pretty defines the time period for which NEW acne will develop upon ingestion of a trigger food or upon contact of some other external trigger. http://www-immuno.path.cam.ac.uk/~immuno/p...3/lec13_97.html http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/ghaffar/hyper00.htm As for why Gluten is linked to acne, this was something I posted a while back: QUOTE There are many forms of hypersensitivity to wheat gluten, some may be allergic to wheat, others gluten intolerant, others may have celiac disease. If you exhibit signs of LGS (Leaky Gut Syndrome) you may have also inadverantly develop another form of gluten intolerance. Here's the deal, I pretty much had it figured that we shouldn't have antibodies against foods we eat, right? After all they are broken down into micronutrients (amino acids, glucose, vitamins etc) and then the body is able to utilize them...yet these foods macronutrients (protein, fat, etc) shouldn't enter our blood system...unless somehow somewhere there is a "leak." Yet, even healthy people may find that they do have antibodies against foods and if this is the case....they may also have a very mild level intolerance. This is just my opinion, although some others that are probably medical doctors by now, also supported this view at one point. Take my test for example. BEFORE I changed my diet to gluten free, I was tested and I ended up having 50% of the antibodies neccessary to be deemed a Celiac, so of course my test was negative. Some people may be IgA deficient in which case a certain test (they perform several types) will come up as negative. There's also another test that will yield IgG antibodies but the medical community considers this test to be too sensitive (producing higher numbers than they believe it should for at least celiac's disease) and so its' generally not taken as the sole test either. However, I've read enough Celiac Message boards to know that a blood tests) and perhaps not even the fecal or saliva tests aren't the definitive answer. If you truly want to know if you have celiac disease then an endoscopic exam is the way to go to check for damage. Furthermore, other cases of interest regarding the acne wheat/gluten debate include: **People that have various gastrointestinal disorders such as Celiacs, IBS, Crohns, Colitis etc have found that following the Specific Carbohydrate Diet works for them. This one is far more strict than a traditional gluten free diet as it eliminates all grains, starch, sugars, processed foods...but they can still have their cake and eat it too (there are more than just grain flours available)! ** Gluten is actually where the yeast is found and why "bread" is so sticks together so wonderfully and is soft and fluffy. Although gluten is formed from glutenin & gliadin proteins and if you've got cheesecloth and some flour you can actually make your own gluten (it looks like a big sticky greyish piece of chewed up gum). Anyway, the paleo diet, some anti-candida diets, no grain diets, and anti-fungi diets will say that it's because of this fungi or their mycotoxins (byproduct of fungi) found in gluten, along with various other fungi found in grains is why people are sick today. They even said that there's a fungi to CAUSE Diabetes...in lab rats and is probably the same one causing it humans (and cats). There are some studies about this mycotoxin, but I still have't been able to come up with the same conclusion from reading what abstracts are available. ** Gluten may be an insulin mimicker in which case, when consumed our bodies may behave as if insulin has been released and the cascade of hormones, igrowth factors, nflammation etc may ensue. I'm still looking for more evidence of this. ** B & O Blood Types (the most prevelant in the population) are said to be gluten sensitive and that consumption will induce Insulin Resistance and then later on Type II Diabetes. So far...at least 1/3 of our Adult population is Insulin Resistant (must check the most recent numbers) and that doesn't include ALL Teenagers going through Puberty (and possibly Pregnant women) temporarily. ** A Blood Types have also found relief of acne by avoiding Gluten even though it's not required according to the Blood Type Diet. **Those with ADHD (and some Autsistics) have been helped by Gluten and Casien avoidance. Some of these children were related to Celiacs and some of them were not. ** Type II Diabetics have found success in following a Gluten Free Diet over a Low Carb diet and as such, you may find that Gluten-Free products are sold and/or labeled as being Low Carb. ** Various Journal articles tout that it's healthy to eat Whole Grains over Refined, but they have also shown that the less grains you eat, even more improvement is seen regarding Insulin Resistance, Diabetes, Hormones, Inflammation, etc ** There is only ONE study, back in 1994, that compared Semi-Refined Wheat to Semi-Refined Rice in 30,000 Chinese Women and....rice beat out wheat! Wheat increased Insulin Resistance, Tryglycerides, IGF-1, and Androgen hormones where as rice decreased it. They never mentioned gluten...but suggested it may have to do with the starch content. Rice contains more amylose (slowly metabolized, found in 20% of plant foods) where as certain varieties of wheat contain more amylopectin (quickly metabolized) starch. ** (placeholder) That's all I've got P.S. My ethnic background and family history puts me more at risk. My father's side of the family has Type II Diabetes (2 died from it) or have borderline Diabetes. My Dad is Blood Type B, I'm Blood Type O, and I was also born Premature. I've been Insulin Resistant since the day I was born, infact even before I left my mother's womb! Always wondered if there may be a connection to prematurity and acne or at least health/hormonal problems...well if you are born premature or of low birth weight...the studies say you are automatically Insulin Resistant. So those of you born premature or with certain health problems in your family may want to to test out gluten avoidance. http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...97623
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These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method. Stage 1 (Treatment): * (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed) * (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective. Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002 * Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome) * Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners. Stage 3 (Correction): * 1/18/08 Ultimate Colon Cleanse (30 day program) Research: * Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency). * Good & "safe" blend for anti-hirsutism formula (incl. NAC, Folic Acid Mega Therapy, Liver Cleansers, d-Chiro-Inositol, etc) - dietary changes helped some, but not enough, hoping Correction Stage may also solve this. |
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Jun 13 2006, 09:30 AM
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New Member Group: Members Joined: 25-October 05 From: VA |
Thanks for all the info SweetJade - you are always a wealth of knowledge - even if I don't understand it all!
I have also noticed that any form of sugar - white, brown, honey, fruit juice, dried fruit, corn syrup, beet sugar, etc. - causes severe inflammation of existing spots plus cysts that I don't think are DH. I also have to limit my fresh fruit during the day. I thought originally this was due to candida but I'm not so sure now. I went on a ton of supplements, probiotics, and prescription antifungals and my face only got worse and worse. It didn't get better till I cut out gluten (which was in a lot of the supplements I was taking). If I avoid all sugar, processed foods, gluten, and iodine I do much better - smaller less frequent break-outs. Over Memorial day weekend I ate gluten-free hot dogs (processed plus iodized salt) with gluten-free Ketchup (corn syrup) and Coke (SUGAR) and had a horrible breakout. I tested negative for any food allergies including wheat. I also tested negative with the anti-tissue transglutiminase celiac test but I was not eating gluten at the time so it doesn't really count. |
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Jun 13 2006, 12:17 PM
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Veteran Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 26-April 06 From: Hong Kong |
Discharge51 - Do you still avoid the foods that you are intolerant to? Because avoiding them wasn't working for my acne I have started eating them again because I really don't notice any negative effects from doing so. However, I am still unable to enjoy them guilt free because I am scared I may be doing some other damage. The nutritionist was zero help when I asked him the question.
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Accutane course (30mg/day) 19/4/06 - 8/11/06 for moderate to severe facial acne Status: All clear. Yeh! Haven't been able to say that for 15 years! Current regimen: Any gentle cleanser / aloe vera + jojoba oil moisturiser / Green Cream |
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Jun 13 2006, 12:29 PM
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damn this gluten stuff is so complicated
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Jun 13 2006, 06:01 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-October 05 |
I understand everyone's skepticism...but what I said was that it won't work for everyone.
Believe me, my skin is much better now than it was 6 months ago. But it seemed to "stop" improving somewhat or improving very slowly. I can't afford a diagnostic right now since I have no insurance. The only thing I can afford is a gluten-free diet. If it doesn't work, then I'll try something else. But I don't think I'm a severe celiac, I'm sure my body can tolerate some gluten...but we'll see. It takes 6 months for gluten to clear the body, but that doesn't mean improvement starts after 6 months. I'm aware that everyone has gluten anti-bodies present when gluten is consumed, but it's a matter of how much that's the problem. We'll see though...I'll post my results.
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Jun 13 2006, 06:17 PM
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![]() The first wealth is health. Group: Veteran Members Joined: 15-March 06 From: Confusion |
bump my post, someone edited it
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A diamond with a flaw is worth more than a pebble without imperfections. Chinese Proverb |
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Jun 13 2006, 07:27 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 14-September 04 |
Hey, I'm an older person who had pretty bad acne, can still break out. My belief is that
for me, it had something to do with a leaky gut. Perhaps candida, antiobios as a teen for the acne, but even now, I think I have a leaky gut. So certain foods that I did not test positive to, like gluten, probably irritate the gut. So I try to avoid gluten. Sugar will cause me lots of different problems, like tiredness, so it seems like insulin resistance is involved. I guess I should mention that on an allergy profile I tested positive to lots of fruits, tuna, almonds....so I am convinced that it is sugar/gluten/leaky gut sensitivity for me.....trying to eat right all these years has been a struggle, but anyway, if it helps someone, that would be nice.... |
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Jun 13 2006, 09:29 PM
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thanks for the huge info sweetjade! that;s many more sensitivities than i knew of.
guess the blood test means nothing. Jbhk:I can't avoid every food that i'm intolerant to, but some foods that were considered severely intolerant for me were orange, banana, and salmon. this was a shock to me, because i would always eat a banana and orange every day(sometimies 2 oranges) and salmon i eat prob once in a while(fairly frequently). after omitting these three foods(and others that were considered bad for me)..i still haven't seen any difference. in short, i'm in the same rocket as you are. don't feel too guilty, it's ok to spoil yourself once in a while, unless you find out the food really affects you negatively in some significant way. |
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Jul 10 2006, 09:13 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-October 05 |
I recently had my blood tests back...got a ton of things done.
What was most not-shocking was my blood sugar was 66mg/dl...2 hours after ingesting a meal of about 120 non-fibrous carbohydrates. Another 2 hour fast listed at 81 mg/dl. The normal is 70-100 mg/dl...on a random testing. This is impossible unless my intestines were damaged. I consume roughly 400g of carbohydrates a day, yet I barely absorb half of it. I cannot imagine anything else that would cause this. Not only that, my stools have been coming out loose and even on 25g of fiber a day, I take two dumps a day...which shouldn't happen. It should only be one. I don't think this definitively says I have celiac disease, maybe an infection, I don't know but 400g of carbs a day and still low blood sugar?
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Jul 11 2006, 10:36 AM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 4-October 05 From: Canada |
I tried a gluten-free diet for a week and my acne actually worsened a lot even if I was taking seasalt baths - which helped me until that moment.
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Aug 6 2006, 06:46 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-October 05 |
Funny thing is, I raised my blood sugar on numerous types of food including gatorade, potato chips, rice, etc. My acne did not get worst, it is actually improving.
The only thing I'm doing, diet wise, is avoiding gluten. I cannot believe how much gluten is in things. From toothpaste to even some orange juices to even multivitamins and prescriptions. Sensodyne has gluten in its toothpaste...even some Tropicana orange juices. It takes a lot of care to take gluten out of one's diet. I'm doing just that and it seems to be working. My pores have actually shrunk and my acne scars are really fading. I urge people to at least give it a try (in addition to eating a low GI diet).
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Aug 9 2006, 12:31 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 29-April 03 From: Buffalo, NY |
Removing gluten from my diet seems to have cleared my acne. I haven't broken out at all in months. Of course, the effect of gluten on my body was very noticeable and immediate: eating wheat makes me extremely bloated and sleepy immediately after eating it.
It wasn't until I tried a low glycemic diet that I learned that it was the wheat that was causing these effects. Unfortunately, the typical american diet has wheat at every single meal, so I could never make the connection. When I switched to a diet that contained wheat much less frequently, it became clear that those health problems only occurred when I ate wheat (and to a lesser degree when I eat potatoes). Rice and corn starch make me a bit more sluggish as well (but not sick) if I eat them in large quantities, so I keep the amount in my diet relatively low but don't avoid them.
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