Heh, I wouldn't be surprised. Afterall, we have outlawed raw milk here in almost every state. We are not exactly known for our health food.

If I go to a farmer's market or smaller health food stores around here I can buy fruits that are smaller and less perfect, but true paleo fruits could be even smaller and even less sweet. I don't know any cavemen though so I can't ask them.

Where I live we have distributors of raw milk around the town.
The sign on the distributor just says that the milk has not been treated and even without pasteurization and heating it is perfectly safe.

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Just so I can be clear, all of this debate about fruit sweetness really isn't the issue. If fructose and sucrose weren't added to everything, fruit would be no problem for our livers to handle. Fruit isn't the problem, fructose is because it's artificially concentrated and added to our foods in unnatural amounts. It's those unnatural amounts that are the problem. Even if our fruits are sweeter now, it wouldn't matter, fruit would still have way less fructose in it than the maximum capacity of the liver's processing ability, it would be no threat whatsoever. I recommend *temporarily* reducing fruit consumption only because it will speed up the clearing and healing process, not because I have anything against fruit. Once your system has returned to a normal state, fruit should not give anyone problems. I would not recommend a lifetime fruit-free diet, that wouldn't be healthy because fruit has so many valuable phytonutrients.

So that makes sense as to why take a taurine supplement helps in the case of fructose overload and the resulting inflammatory triglycerides. Very very interesting about the effect of taurine on psoriasis and excessive keratinosis conditions. One big problem with acne is the build up of excess skin cells inside the pore, which then mixes with the oil and clogs it. It completely makes sense now how taurine would help with that situation, by suppressing keratinocyte production!
I had spent a lot of time online trying to figure out why there was an excess of skin cells being produced in the pores, and had previously ended up going in circles trying to find studies on it. But this makes complete sense. The fructose causes inflammation by producing triglycerides, and the inflammation causes a taurine deficiency, which then causes an overproduction of skin cells because of the lack of taurine's keratinocyte inhibitory effects. Wow, that's awesome!

Great study, thanks for finding that!

I was thinking about how exactly fructose causes acne, and I knew there seemed to be a connection between liver function and acne because the liver flush threads were always so successful. But I was thinking, what is the specific action that makes an overloaded liver cause acne? And then I realized, one major function of the liver is to deactivate and remove circulating hormones that are in excess for the moment, or that have been used already so they don't get re-used thereby causing an excess. But if the liver is all tied up with all this fructose, it can't do all those other jobs as well, including hormone deactivation and elimination. The result - excess and unbalanced hormones. Couple that with the inflammation from the triglycerides being produced from the liver trying to get rid of all that fructose, and what do you have? The perfect recipe for acne! Hormones + Inflammation = Acne. This would be particularly difficult for your liver during puberty because the hormones levels are so much higher during that time. It makes so much sense!

This needs to be bumped back upto the top .

Well i've upped my taurine and B vit amounts and upped my carbs slightly (eating low gi multiseed bread that contains gluten), and 2 days no new whiteheads. Even on the low carb no gluten i still got about 1 whitehead every couple of days. Still too early to tell but i'll let you know!

plus i've got pure taurine powder and some mega B vitamin tablets which i can split up and it works out very very cheap!

I may have to buy you an xmas present!

That's awesome. God do I hate US food sometimes. You guys have some really good stuff over there on the other side of the pond.

how much taurine are you taking right now?



and can the b vitamins be a b complex with vitamin C in it?

Yeah, how much taurine are you taking? It's also important to try to reduce the fructose. But I'm noticing with me that the longer I'm supplementing with taurine, the better I am at handling the sugar in my diet. But to see faster more immediate results, the fructose would need to be cut as much as possible initially. As the taurine does its thing over time, I think the liver function starts to return to normal, and it can handle more, but at first even little surges in fructose can cause set backs.

I kind of think of it like the liver being a cup of sugar, and we're draining it by using the taurine. But the taurine doesn't dump it all at once, it's more like a little hole in the bottom and the sugar pours out a little bit at a time continuously. And the longer that happens, the more room there is in the cup again. So at first even a little bit of sugar would have made the cup spill over the top, but as time goes on, it can handle more. I mention this because it can be easy to get discouraged and think something isn't working, but we have to give the liver time to rebuild its endurance.

What are the specifics of your b vitamin? I'm noticing my b vitamin isn't proportioned correctly and it's giving me chapped lips, so I'll need to find another one. If anyone can recommend a brand that they've taken, let me know! It definitely needs to be a b complex, and I don't want to megadose, but the proportions are really important. From my symptoms, it looks like my supplement is causing a b-2 deficiency. I'm not really surprised it's not the right proportions, I bought the cheapest one they had available! lol It was something like $8 for 2 months worth...lol Actually 4 months worth for me since I was only take half a capsule a day. So I have some room in my budget for a better one.

I'm taking 1000mg of taurine a day, but only because that's what was in the red bull and that seemed to be working. But from what I read, there's no upper limit for toxicity, so by all means, if you want to try more, let us know how it goes! I've read about therapeutic doses of up to 3000mg per day for other conditions with no side effects. Maybe that would bring faster results?

What about brown rice for carbs?

I like this.

Eating more healthy, less toxins, having less stress, removing food allergies are all things that ''help'' the liver so it can do other things

Do you think eating pure glucose, even if it causes an insulin spike, will not cause breakouts?

I know if I eat honey three days straight, I get breakouts for sure, but what about pure glucose. If it doesn't cause breakouts, then it's not about candida, and it's about the liver, again!

Is it possible to buy pure glucose so I can try some experiments??

I don't exactly measure the taurine, but i take 1/5 of a teaspoon in the morning with breakfast, then another 1/5 of a teaspoon in the evening. So about 2 grams a day. Maybe thats too much to jump straight in with? Although some bodybuilders i know take 5g on workout days - but some of them claim it makes them feel a bit sluggish so i wouldn't go taking that much.

depends on how much of each vitamin. Vit C is never a bad thing really, i've been taking fairly large doses of it for a while without ill effect, but i plan to reduce those to a much smaller level for long term use. My B tablets contain

TThiamin 91mg (6500%*)
Riboflavin 50mg (3125%*)
Niacin 50mg (278%*)
Vitamin B6 41mg (2050%*)
Vitamin B12 5mg (500%*)
Biotin 0.05mg (33%*)
Pantothenic Acid 69mg (1150%*)
Inositol 75mg
Choline 75mg
Para Amino Benzoic Acid 50mg
Oat Bran Fibre 10mg
Lactobacillus Acidophilus Culture 4mg

they cost £9 for 180 tablets, and i cut them up into 4 and eat 3 bits a day so thats 240 days worth .


I think some fruit would probably be ok, but it all does contribute so i think your right to reduce it. I think your making some good sense, it just make me think of anything else that builds up in the body and becomes toxic. Take iron for instance. Safe to have in small quantities. Eat too much regularly (and it's only a tiny amount over a long period) and your body keeps absorbing it and makes you ill. What also makes a difference is other vitamins and minerals that help you absorb it (say vit c) or reduce your absorption (other minerals, calcium). Maybe our livers aren't dealing with all that fructose and it's just, like you said continually building up to the point where a small bit of it pushes us over the edge.

My B tablet is for body builders, but i'll do some research into what are the correct proportions and see how it shapes up. Before that i was taking liquid vit B complex, which was high quality but small amounts and expensive. I would think you'd need to see whats comming from your diet as well to balance these vitamins reasonably.

I've seen many people drink a couple of red bull a day and i don't think it's particularly restricted. I'm gonna stick at about 2 grams a day and see how that goes for now. Long term i may drop it down to 1 as a maintenance dose - if that continues to work.

What would you like for xmas?


Never been much of a rice person, i have a bag of brown rice sat waiting, and some pasta made from (potato, rice & tapioca) but i don't really fancy eating either of them lol

I want to try this too. Honey has a high fructose content, which surprised me when I found that out, so I avoid it now. Yes you can buy pure glucose, it's sold as "dextrose", and Now Foods sells it, something like $3-$4 for a 2lb bag of it, really inexpensive! Here's a link to now foods listing for dextrose: http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=4079 . You can probably special order it from a health food store to avoid paying shipping. That page has a "where to find it" link where you put in your zip code and it'll find the store closest to you that sells it, or that could order it for you. I recommend adding a fiber supplement to slow any glucose spike you may get. It does take some time for the taurine to reverse the fructose induced insulin resistance. So in the mean time, sugar spikes should be avoided by adding some fiber to meals with a lot of glucose. I use fiber-sure, it's a fine white powder that dissolves into any liquid. I add it to a cup of rice milk, all it does it make it only very slightly sweeter tasting. It's soluble fiber from chicory extract I think. I just started doing that a few days ago to prevent insulin spikes.

I see your b vitamin has a higher proportion of b2 to b6 than mine. I bought some b-2 separately to fix this b2 deficit for now, while I find a more synergistic b complex supplement. I'm finding that the ones that claim to be balanced are really just all the same amount of each vitamin, for example, 25mg of each. I need a supplement where they've already calculated the natural balance of them all, kind of like with minerals how they know you need an 8:1 ratio of zinc to copper, but do that with the b vitamins. If anyone knows of a b vitamin brand that's all figured out like that, then please let me know! Chapped lips drive me crazy! For now I'll just take some additional b-2 every few days to try to maintain a better balance.
But I'm thinking, there may be a higher demand for b-2 because of the taurine. Taurine needs b-6 to function properly, but b-6 I found out requires b-2, and I think that's what's going on. There may not be enough b-2 in my supplement to support the amount of b-6 that the taurine is using. Anyways, I'll see if this additional b-2 fixes my problem. I remember a long time ago my grandma told me she took b-2 whenever she got chapped lips, so it'll probably take care of it.

I'm really excited to see how this works for people! Please keep me updated! That'll be my Christmas present is if it works for you, I'll be really really happy! I'll have made a difference in someone's (and hopefully many people's) life, that'd be awesome! Seriously, if this really works for a lot of people, I'd be absolutely giddy, I'd probably be speaking in gibberish...lol

Brown rice is good stuff! Very healthy! Naturally high in fiber so you don't get sugar spikes, no fructose, and the hulls have some nutritional value, so overall, no problems with it from me

From personal experiences, I've found it's important to get enough carbs in the diet, and brown rice is definitely one of the best ways to go in my opinion. It is possible to go too far with the anti-carb/sugar mentality, but then you just end up with ketosis, which is really not healthy. There are also brown rice noodles from a company called Pasta Joy (Or at least that's what they were called, now they're called Tinkyada or something like that). They make great brown rice pasta, tastes just like regular pasta. Now I wants some...lol

I'm very excited to try this out. I've found, through plenty of experience, that I have a lot of problems with sugar and acne. I've cut out most refined sugars and I'm taking chromium and cinnamon, and that has helped tremendously.

I'm hoping that taurine can clear me up all the way.

LiliVG, what was your acne like when you started the taurine?

Thanks for your help

No pictures?

So I have been doing this for the past 2-3 days. Its not that far off from my regular no gluten/no dairy/ no processed foods diet but I have been paying extra close attention to not eating a single bite of anything with HFCS, sugar, and limiting myself to 1-2 pieces of not too sweet fruit. I haven't had a chance to pick up any taurine or a b complex yet, but I have been drinking 1-2 glasses of psyllium husks in water usually twice a day (especially before eating fruit or starch) and I have seen a HUGE improvement in my skin! The existing marks even seem to be fading a lot faster than normal.

I really feel like you are onto something here LiliVG!

Another thing I noticed... For the past few weeks I have had this red dry itchy skin patch on one of my shoulders that seemed to be slowly spreading. Well I woke up this morning and the redness is completely gone, it feels a lot less dry and the area is much smaller. I know it has to be a result of the diet because I haven't made any other changes.

I am really excited about this. If this gets me 100% clear by Christmas you will be my new best friend!

5th day no new spots..not even a single tiny white head

And ultimate test today - had a treat of supermarket bought apple pie & custard. Thats powdered skim milk plus lots of refined wheat, plus gluten, plus lots of refined sugar and other terrible. Delicious but evil!

I'll let you know how it goes (it's been about 3 months since i had a treat lol)

Still looking for a real answer about balanced bvitamins. It would seem that, everyones vitamin & mineral profile is different, and only by knowing that would you be able to find the correct balance for you. So there may be no perfect b supplement.

B Vitamins

I'm so exited that it seems to be working for you so far!

How much apple pie did you have? I got scared about a week ago because one of my co-workers brought in some fudge, and I apparently lost all willpower and ate like half of it! lol. I was expecting all hell to break loose, but I only got 2 small pimples on one cheek that went away pretty quickly. Ordinarily, something like that would have given me huge painful cysts on my jawline. So it was an improvement from would have happened, but my skin isn't invincible yet...lol I think it will take a few weeks before the insulin resistance goes back to normal levels and the liver can handle things better. So I'm gonna wait a few weeks before trying anything like that again. I really want to give my liver a chance to clear and repair itself completely.

I think you are right about the b vitamins being different for everyone. The b-2 seems to be helping my lips heal up to normal again. I also found out b-2 repairs the gastrointestinal tract, so I figure that can't hurt.