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Aug 18 2007, 10:00 AM
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![]() common sense is NOT common Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-November 03 From: West Coast....The BEST Coast...... |
QUOTE(BeautifulDay @ Aug 18 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]2002183[/snapback] Hello, I wear fairly light neutral in intensive formula. I love the soft bronzer because it does not give an orange cast that a lot of bronzers have. The tinted silk dust also works well for me as a final step, I have slightly oily skin. If you like to use vaseline on your lips try mixing some with your favorite blush in an empty sample jar. Microwave it for 30 seconds then tap the container on your counter until the vaseline settles nicely. When it cools it will harden slightly and makes a great lip gloss. wow - thats a really cool tip! i'm going to try that one!
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QUOTE The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was Political Correctness. The winner wrote: "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." there are many warrants out for your arrest Jai, many, many, many The worst thing that happens to Jen Is the feeling that comes to her when Her man, he is gone She wants to get it on But she's run out of batteries AGAIN. |
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Aug 18 2007, 07:37 PM
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![]() I'd whisper in your ear, Always hold you near....... Group: Veteran Members Joined: 19-June 06 From: Redcliffe |
QUOTE(Wynne @ Aug 18 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]2002026[/snapback] 'tash, I'm so surprised you don't like Best Friends blush! Wow. It is my absolute favoritest blush ever. Are you very pale with pink undertones? I'm olivey with yellow undertones, not a teeny bit of pink to me. I am pale, though, but I tan easily and fast when I used to tan. Shoot, that reminded me I have to have a basal cell carcinoma removed the end of this month. *sighs* Let that be a lesson to you: do not tan! Do not go to tanning beds! If I end up with a hideous scar I am taking a picture of it and I am posting it as a warning to those of you who tan. Yer i know, i dont like it. But i have only used it once though. But i just didnt like the purple hue in it. Might try it again some other day. I dont know what colour i am lol, but i am pale, and i think i have yellow undertones. But the APPLE is excellent on me! QUOTE(BeautifulDay @ Aug 19 2007, 01:56 AM) [snapback]2002183[/snapback] Hello, I wear fairly light neutral in intensive formula. I love the soft bronzer because it does not give an orange cast that a lot of bronzers have. The tinted silk dust also works well for me as a final step, I have slightly oily skin. If you like to use vaseline on your lips try mixing some with your favorite blush in an empty sample jar. Microwave it for 30 seconds then tap the container on your counter until the vaseline settles nicely. When it cools it will harden slightly and makes a great lip gloss. Wow. That sounds like a great tip!! Also, just to let you know EM'ers Starry-Eyed e/s Waffle Cone blush |
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Aug 18 2007, 07:54 PM
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ok hey ladies. i just got my 1st sample today. i ordered another one yest. n today.lol yea 3 altogether. i just wana make sure im usin the right one.
ok so i tried it today n liked the colors however my skin looked very cakey n face was peeling. i was a lil upset. it is peeling cuz of accutane but i didnt think it was gona look that bad. i had sunblock under, could that have worsened it? i dont wana use any other moisturizer. im stil tryin to figure how to mix the colors n such.... also, after i washed my face, it looked very red n irritated....so i dk wut to think now...? ..n i had the makeup on for about 40 min only....never happeend w/bareminerals. im gona give it another on monday...so ill let u kno.
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Accutane (severe) April 4th - 40mg. May 5th - 80mg. June 4th - 80 mg. July 9th - 120 mg. Aug.7th- 80mg. Day120. (still breakin out! =( wtf?) Sept.10th- 80mg........ lowered dose to 40mg as of Sept 18th. still breakin out. oct. 40mg CLEAR!!!! just redmarks and some shallow scars...but i'm HAPPY! Nov. - 60mg. CLEAR! Dec. - 40mg CLEAR! Jan.-40mg CLEAR My skin was really REALLY BAD, tane didnt work until i was on my 6th month but it WORKED, so there is hope people!!!!! be patient...SO, if you have any questions just PM me, I've been thru it all!!!!!! |
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Aug 19 2007, 07:51 PM
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![]() I feel pretty...Oh so pretty...and witty...and briiiight! Group: Veteran Members Joined: 31-July 06 From: Outa town |
Hey thats a good tip for the lip balm! So I just ordered some more in my color but in the intensive formula because I only had matte and semi-matte before and maybe thats why it made me feel dry so Im giving it another shot. I did try the wet method today (with the semi-matte I have leftover) and I loved it, but after it kinda dried I still feel like it has a slight tight feeling. I used it with just water and also mixed with my moisturizer. Ill try with a different moisturizer and see if that helps
Does anyone know how to get a dewy finish?
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“Is it weird in here, or is it just me?” “I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult.” “My roommate says, I'm going to take a shower and shave, does anyone need to use the bathroom? It's like some weird quiz where he reveals the answer first.” "They don't know that we know they know we know.” "I can't say hump or screw in front of the b-a-b-y... I just spelled the wrong words didn't I?" |
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Aug 19 2007, 08:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-February 07 From: Houston, TX |
QUOTE(Saphire82 @ Aug 19 2007, 08:51 PM) [snapback]2003889[/snapback] Does anyone know how to get a dewy finish? Try the Glow formula.
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Status: Clear after 30 years. Over 3 years in March '09! Good Things for Acne Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Diet changes = Clear. Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). Mild cleanser. Occasional BHA usage. Jojoba or Moisturizer w/ niacinimide for hyperpigmentation. For more info see my personal Log/Notes Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. All inter-related, some with a causal effect on the others Also affected by environment and lifestyle habits like stress management, sleep and exercise. Lots more info. List of clinical studies demonstrating diet and acne connection. List of members who've cleared their skin via diet and healthy lifestyle. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food! When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens! |
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Aug 20 2007, 03:21 AM
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![]() I'd whisper in your ear, Always hold you near....... Group: Veteran Members Joined: 19-June 06 From: Redcliffe |
QUOTE(alternativista @ Aug 20 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]2003910[/snapback] QUOTE(Saphire82 @ Aug 19 2007, 08:51 PM) [snapback]2003889[/snapback] Does anyone know how to get a dewy finish? Try the Glow formula. Or try mixing your minerals with moisturiser. Ladies, just to let you know, the 10% DISCOUNT has finished and a 5% DISCOUNT is currently up & running. And there new site comes out tomorrow!!! |
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Aug 20 2007, 12:03 PM
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![]() common sense is NOT common Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-November 03 From: West Coast....The BEST Coast...... |
QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 20 2007, 02:21 AM) [snapback]2004242[/snapback] Ladies, just to let you know, the 10% DISCOUNT has finished and a 5% DISCOUNT is currently up & running. And there new site comes out tomorrow!!! new site?!?!?!!?
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QUOTE The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was Political Correctness. The winner wrote: "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." there are many warrants out for your arrest Jai, many, many, many The worst thing that happens to Jen Is the feeling that comes to her when Her man, he is gone She wants to get it on But she's run out of batteries AGAIN. |
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Aug 20 2007, 12:54 PM
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![]() Ice Queen Group: Veteran Members Joined: 3-September 06 From: SoCal |
I had just put in an order before they posted the 5% discount
The date on the blog says 8/19, but I ordered late last night & no blog had been posted yet... I hope they send me the cherry fizz blush still...that interests me....and I spent over $30.
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Type of acne: Mild to Moderate At my worst: Moderate inflammatory acne. Approx 15-20 large papules & pustules, & the occasional cyst. Very oily & slightly sensitive skin with large pores & many dark red marks. Current Status: No inflamed pimples, less clogged nose pores & "bumpy" comedal acne on chin, few redmarks, less oily Skin Regimen: Morning: Cetaphil (normal to oily skin) or Acne.org facewash Acne.org AHA lotion Acne.org moisturizer Everyday Minerals foundation Night: Cetaphil (normal to oily skin) or Acne.org facewash 0.1% Tretinoin cream (retin-a) Acne.org moisturizer (if skin is dry) Take Daily: 1 Solaray brand Niacinamide tablet (500 mg) 1 Coromega brand Omega 3 squeeze packet (2000 mg fish oil) 3 Nature's Way brand Boswellia extract tablets (65% boswellic acids) Boswelia is working great for me! --- "16, clumsy and shy, the story of my life" |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:10 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 18-July 07 From: Texas |
Hehehe, I got my 'free' order yesterday, I am officially apart of the Cult. I have to say, I love it. I'm using 'sandy medium matte' right now but i'm not done experiementing with the some other shades. Also i got the 'back to school' blush SOO pretty! and the light medium concealer Do you guys put the concealer on first or after? Also does the intensive shades come off a bit darker to you guys than the matte or is it just me?
I absoluetly love Everyday Minerals and it will look so good once my acne's cleared, BTW i have a derm appointment next week hopefully she'll say i'm a qualify for accutane wish me luck..
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Hi I'm completely clear! I've been using this regimen for 1 month and 17days Morning: Wash face usually with just cool water or Clinque foaming wash for Oily Wait about 15mins. Clindamycin on spots only Aloe Vera Gel on dry spots Nighty-Nite: Wash make-up off with Clinque Wash away gel Wash face again with Clinque Foaming Wash for Oily Skin Wait 30 mins. Apply Pea-sized amount of Retina- Micro .04%, I just got bumped up to .1% last week 1 pill of Septra 2x a day. And that's it, the doctor told me not to do anything else, I exfoliate gently once a week although I think i'm not suppose to with Clinque Exfoliating Wash My skin is so smooth and clear, I do still have acne marks and some bumps that aren't active there just there from past acne, but over time retin-a will help along with microdermabrasion. Thanks to this Dan for making this formum and everyone who helped me out and responded to me when I really felt like there was no end to my struggle with acne. Here's my log on progress: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...blogid=190 |
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Aug 21 2007, 01:31 AM
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![]() I'd whisper in your ear, Always hold you near....... Group: Veteran Members Joined: 19-June 06 From: Redcliffe |
QUOTE(Siouxsie @ Aug 21 2007, 04:54 AM) [snapback]2004657[/snapback] I had just put in an order before they posted the 5% discount The date on the blog says 8/19, but I ordered late last night & no blog had been posted yet... I hope they send me the cherry fizz blush still...that interests me....and I spent over $30. I think what's on your invoice, the discount code that is, they will go with that. This is what happened to me too. I desperately wanted the 10% DISCOUNT and Carina posted that the special ends 8/19. On my invoice it says i ordered, date 8/19 & time 12.59 AM. But the 10% discount was still running. Im guessing because everyone is all asleep and no one changed it. Maybe just email them quickly and ask for the Cherry Fizz. Im sure they'll give it to you! QUOTE(WuLi @ Aug 21 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]2005244[/snapback] Hehehe, I got my 'free' order yesterday, I am officially apart of the Cult. I have to say, I love it. I'm using 'sandy medium matte' right now but i'm not done experiementing with the some other shades. Also i got the 'back to school' blush SOO pretty! and the light medium concealer Do you guys put the concealer on first or after? Also does the intensive shades come off a bit darker to you guys than the matte or is it just me? I absoluetly love Everyday Minerals and it will look so good once my acne's cleared, BTW i have a derm appointment next week hopefully she'll say i'm a qualify for accutane wish me luck.. YAY!! I think you should experiment. Maybe the concealer might look better on first, or it could look better on after. But i would put it on after. I first buff my face with concealer (yes i use this as my foundation) and after a couple of layers, if theres red marks coming out, i get my concealer brush and quickly conceal them with the concealer. QUOTE(Jai @ Aug 21 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]2004625[/snapback] QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 20 2007, 02:21 AM) [snapback]2004242[/snapback] Ladies, just to let you know, the 10% DISCOUNT has finished and a 5% DISCOUNT is currently up & running. And there new site comes out tomorrow!!! new site?!?!?!!? Yerp new site. Carina said it would be out the 20th. I just checked but its not out yet. |
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Aug 21 2007, 11:12 AM
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![]() Ice Queen Group: Veteran Members Joined: 3-September 06 From: SoCal |
QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 21 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]2005323[/snapback] QUOTE(Siouxsie @ Aug 21 2007, 04:54 AM) [snapback]2004657[/snapback] I had just put in an order before they posted the 5% discount The date on the blog says 8/19, but I ordered late last night & no blog had been posted yet... I hope they send me the cherry fizz blush still...that interests me....and I spent over $30. I think what's on your invoice, the discount code that is, they will go with that. This is what happened to me too. I desperately wanted the 10% DISCOUNT and Carina posted that the special ends 8/19. On my invoice it says i ordered, date 8/19 & time 12.59 AM. But the 10% discount was still running. Im guessing because everyone is all asleep and no one changed it. Maybe just email them quickly and ask for the Cherry Fizz. Im sure they'll give it to you! I already paid & it shipped by the time I posted this. It shipped like Monday morning & I put the order in Sunday night. I'll give them credit for processing fast! It's annoying though cuz I have this bad luck with sales....I'll buy something at full price cuz I love it & 1 week later it's like 50% off
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Type of acne: Mild to Moderate At my worst: Moderate inflammatory acne. Approx 15-20 large papules & pustules, & the occasional cyst. Very oily & slightly sensitive skin with large pores & many dark red marks. Current Status: No inflamed pimples, less clogged nose pores & "bumpy" comedal acne on chin, few redmarks, less oily Skin Regimen: Morning: Cetaphil (normal to oily skin) or Acne.org facewash Acne.org AHA lotion Acne.org moisturizer Everyday Minerals foundation Night: Cetaphil (normal to oily skin) or Acne.org facewash 0.1% Tretinoin cream (retin-a) Acne.org moisturizer (if skin is dry) Take Daily: 1 Solaray brand Niacinamide tablet (500 mg) 1 Coromega brand Omega 3 squeeze packet (2000 mg fish oil) 3 Nature's Way brand Boswellia extract tablets (65% boswellic acids) Boswelia is working great for me! --- "16, clumsy and shy, the story of my life" |
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Aug 21 2007, 11:31 AM
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![]() common sense is NOT common Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-November 03 From: West Coast....The BEST Coast...... |
QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 21 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]2005323[/snapback] Yerp new site. Carina said it would be out the 20th. I just checked but its not out yet. i'll check tomorrow nice addition to the sig - i think i'll have to bite ur style and add it to mine!
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QUOTE The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was Political Correctness. The winner wrote: "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." there are many warrants out for your arrest Jai, many, many, many The worst thing that happens to Jen Is the feeling that comes to her when Her man, he is gone She wants to get it on But she's run out of batteries AGAIN. |
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Aug 21 2007, 12:14 PM
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![]() Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 9-March 03 From: US |
QUOTE(Jflo514 @ Aug 16 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]2000414[/snapback] Hello, I'm Buttered Tan in the intensive formula. Here are some tricks/tips that I've learned, tested, and have worked for me. 1~ Scared of EM's mint concealer? Well just mix in a little w/ your moisturizer, apply where you need it, and let it dry. Then apply your foundation, blush, and finishing powders. This allows you to get the benefit of the mint concealer w/o looking all green. 2~ If your in a hurry, mix in your EM foundation w/ your moisturizer to make your own tinted moisturizer. You get nice, sheer coverage in 1 step, but if want more coverage just mix in more foundation to the moisturizer. 3~ I always apply my concealer wet, let it dry (a couple minutes), then buff my foundation in. This makes it easier for me to apply under my eyes and I don't really have to blend my concealer in because the buffing of my foundation blends it all together. 4~ I'm pretty sure people know this already...if you have oily skin, apply your fave. finishing powder BEFORE your foundation. This acts like a sort of primer to help control oil and shine. Well that's all I could think of! Thank you so much for this tip. I tried it on my T-Zone and I was oil-free all day!!
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MY LOG http://www.acne.org/messageboard/forums.html...p;#entry1906744 My Regimen Morning: Purpose Gentle Cleansing Wash Pure Deming Pure C Serum Olay for Sensitive Skin SPF 15 Evening: Purpose Gentle Cleansing Wash Retin-A Micro .1% Olay for Sensitive Skin (sometimes) Makeup: Clinique Pore Minimizer Instant Perfector Clinique Even Better Foundation Everyday Minerals Blush Everyday Minerals finishing powder Everyday Minerals concealer Status: Clear of acne for 6+ months; now in the process of repairing scars updated: 10/30/09 |
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Aug 21 2007, 12:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Joined: 12-July 07 |
Does anyone know what this brand uses for dyes to get the colors for blushes and eyeshadows? I'm allergic to types of red dye in the department store blushes and they make me break out. I was wondering if I'd be okay using this blush.
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Aug 21 2007, 03:15 PM
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![]() Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 1-June 07 From: Southern California |
QUOTE(WildFlower @ Aug 21 2007, 11:14 AM) [snapback]2005768[/snapback] QUOTE(Jflo514 @ Aug 16 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]2000414[/snapback] Hello, I'm Buttered Tan in the intensive formula. Here are some tricks/tips that I've learned, tested, and have worked for me. 1~ Scared of EM's mint concealer? Well just mix in a little w/ your moisturizer, apply where you need it, and let it dry. Then apply your foundation, blush, and finishing powders. This allows you to get the benefit of the mint concealer w/o looking all green. 2~ If your in a hurry, mix in your EM foundation w/ your moisturizer to make your own tinted moisturizer. You get nice, sheer coverage in 1 step, but if want more coverage just mix in more foundation to the moisturizer. 3~ I always apply my concealer wet, let it dry (a couple minutes), then buff my foundation in. This makes it easier for me to apply under my eyes and I don't really have to blend my concealer in because the buffing of my foundation blends it all together. 4~ I'm pretty sure people know this already...if you have oily skin, apply your fave. finishing powder BEFORE your foundation. This acts like a sort of primer to help control oil and shine. Well that's all I could think of! Thank you so much for this tip. I tried it on my T-Zone and I was oil-free all day!! NO PROBLEM!
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Aug 21 2007, 03:19 PM
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![]() common sense is NOT common Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-November 03 From: West Coast....The BEST Coast...... |
QUOTE(xjmclarity @ Aug 21 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]2005809[/snapback] Does anyone know what this brand uses for dyes to get the colors for blushes and eyeshadows? I'm allergic to types of red dye in the department store blushes and they make me break out. I was wondering if I'd be okay using this blush. i would suggest emailing them to find out.
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QUOTE The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was Political Correctness. The winner wrote: "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." there are many warrants out for your arrest Jai, many, many, many The worst thing that happens to Jen Is the feeling that comes to her when Her man, he is gone She wants to get it on But she's run out of batteries AGAIN. |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:06 PM
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![]() I'd whisper in your ear, Always hold you near....... Group: Veteran Members Joined: 19-June 06 From: Redcliffe |
QUOTE(Jai @ Aug 22 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]2005717[/snapback] QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 21 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]2005323[/snapback] Yerp new site. Carina said it would be out the 20th. I just checked but its not out yet. i'll check tomorrow nice addition to the sig - i think i'll have to bite ur style and add it to mine! Now everyone part of the EMC, add it to your sig, damnit!! QUOTE(xjmclarity @ Aug 22 2007, 04:58 AM) [snapback]2005809[/snapback] Does anyone know what this brand uses for dyes to get the colors for blushes and eyeshadows? I'm allergic to types of red dye in the department store blushes and they make me break out. I was wondering if I'd be okay using this blush. I am 99% sure to get the colours of the blushes etc, or just the colour in general is the iron oxide, mica and not sure, but also the ultramarines. But they do not use artcificial dyes like in the stores. But yer, might email them for the correct answer. |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Joined: 12-July 07 |
Alrighty, thank you for your replies!
Oh and I just ordered a free sample kit! I can't wait to try it out! |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:37 PM
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![]() common sense is NOT common Group: Veteran Members Joined: 13-November 03 From: West Coast....The BEST Coast...... |
QUOTE(`tash @ Aug 21 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]2005983[/snapback] Now everyone part of the EMC, add it to your sig, damnit!! thank you yes, EMC members - time to update ur sig!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE The following is the 2007 winning entry from an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was Political Correctness. The winner wrote: "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." there are many warrants out for your arrest Jai, many, many, many The worst thing that happens to Jen Is the feeling that comes to her when Her man, he is gone She wants to get it on But she's run out of batteries AGAIN. |
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Aug 21 2007, 06:59 PM
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Member Group: Veteran Members Joined: 9-July 07 |
ladiessss i need ur help!!!!
how can i make my face look dry but not too dry??? im on accutane n my face isnt too dry nor too oily so i ordered the matte foundation, however when i put it on my face looks flakey n blah...too dry. i dont want the semi matte bcuz i dont want my face so shiny llookin. i kno u guys say i coould mix it with moisturizer but im afraid i may break out. are there any other ways to make my face look more natural rather too dry or too oily??? THANK YOU!!! ugh i plan to go out tmorro hopefully it doesnt look as bad as it did today. also, i have a medium/tan complexion...what can i use for the redmarks? they've ver noticeble even w/make up....the redmarks end up lookin brownish.
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Accutane (severe) April 4th - 40mg. May 5th - 80mg. June 4th - 80 mg. July 9th - 120 mg. Aug.7th- 80mg. Day120. (still breakin out! =( wtf?) Sept.10th- 80mg........ lowered dose to 40mg as of Sept 18th. still breakin out. oct. 40mg CLEAR!!!! just redmarks and some shallow scars...but i'm HAPPY! Nov. - 60mg. CLEAR! Dec. - 40mg CLEAR! Jan.-40mg CLEAR My skin was really REALLY BAD, tane didnt work until i was on my 6th month but it WORKED, so there is hope people!!!!! be patient...SO, if you have any questions just PM me, I've been thru it all!!!!!! |
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